Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

[robert derrick]

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"The Sabbath was given to strengthen the inner man for the next week. That's the whole point behind God commanding this day to be devoted to worshiping Him. This is a stupid argument."

Oxen had no inner man to strengthen.

The Sabbath commandment was completely physical, having to do with working the job only. It had nothing to do with a certain day for rest and worship, since it did not include war, travel, and other daily things in mortal life, including emergencies.

It was first commanded to test the people of Israel, about whether they would obey the Lord in gathering of manna: it was an outward test of obedience to the letter of the law.

Today's Sabbath commanders try to spiritualize it in order to justify it as a law of of the Spirit of Christ, rather than only a carnal commandment and shadow of Christ to come.

Sabbath commanders are still carnal, and seek justification as by law of their own making.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yep, most of my life, which is why I need a Savior - because even if I suddenly become a perfect Jesus clone and kept every Sabbath flawlessly, without grace I still must suffer the death penalty for past guilt.

However, grace only covers sins from which we repent and walk in Jesus' way. If I claim to know Jesus but continue breaking the Sabbath, I only prove to the world that I'm a liar and the truth is not in me (12 John 2:3-4 KJV).

Do not you actually violate it every week sir?

 

[robert derrick]

Has there been anything I've said which would indicate that? For example, pride in Sabbath keeping or lust of the flesh and/or covetousness as examples?

I simply never remembered any of you ever speaking of anything spiritual about your Sabbath. And now it is confirmed by the fact that none of you provide a past example of it.

The Sabbath Commandment of men today has nothing to do with Christ nor His Spirit. It's all about self-righteous pride, which is proven by how they condemn others as law-breakers for not keeping their Sabbath with them.

And when they walk around on their Sabbath, they see all others not walking around Sabbathly as they, as being in need of conversion. Always within their minds while showing neighborliness with the unsabbathed heathen, is to proselytize them to their religion of Sabbath.

Once man has made for himself a law for salvation and justification with God, then that law becomes their own first and greatest commandment to preach to others.

There is no doubt during every Sabbath service they hold, that their Sabbath is spoken of and preached alongside the cross of Jesus. Never a service goes by without most honorable mentioning of their Sabbath, and if they ever found themselves in another church, which would be never, where their Sabbath is not once spoken of, they would judge it blasphemous.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Has there been anything I've said which would indicate that? For example, pride in Sabbath keeping or lust of the flesh and/or covetousness as examples?

In my experience, over decades, the people who most insist ''you must obey the ten commandments'' are those who commit the most flagrant sin. Love is the first casualty of such an approach, and what goes on on the inside, where disobedience is concerned is ignored. Paul, when writing to born again christians, stated the law engraven in stone was the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[robert derrick]

Sorry, but it's just plain asinine to deny that the Ten Commandments which were first written on stone are not what's now what's written on the heart, when that is the very definition of the NC - "I will put My Laws in their minds and on their hearts will I write them".

Nine are written in Scripture of the apostles and in my heart and mind. I have no law written in me, that is not first written by Jesus for me through His apostles.

You wrote your own exception-ridden sabbath, which is not even the Lord's of old, into your own heart and mind: you have been proselytized by others, and now seek to do the same to others.

OK, this is an example of some of the most sloppy exegesis there is: claiming Colossians 2:16 KJV refers to the weekly Sabbath.

A blind man can see verse 16 is a list of ceremonial laws of Moses: "meats (offerings), drinks (offerings), new moons (marking ceremonial observances), holy days (like Purim, Jubilee commencement, etc.). In Leviticus 23, the yearly Feast Day shadows were called "sabbaths" which pointed to the Messiah Who was to come in the future, while in Genesis 2:1-2 KJV the weekly Sabbath is defined as a memorial to God's creation that had come to pass.

A child can read sabbath days being only a shadow, and no more to judge as transgressors for.

And any child can read of God resting on the 7th day as an example of resting from work after 6 days.

But, no child can read a sabbath commandment written in Gen 2, nor anywhere else in Scripture until Exodus 16, because it is not written there.

Less 'exegesis' and more reading what is written in Scripture, leads to rightly dividing the word of truth, by first dividing between what is written in Scripture, and what false teachers want to be written as Scripture.

No sabbath commandment is written in Scripture, until the children of Israel was in the wilderness, as a test for obeying His word on gathering of manna.

So, Cain didn't know not to murder, Rachel didn't know not to steal, Abraham didn't know not to lie, Joseph didn't know not to sleep with another man's wife, etc.???

Cain knew it was wrong, when the Lord spoke to him about it.

And so, your sabbath commandment is as murder and adultery, which is how you separate yourself from the rest of body of Christ, having not the Spirit but only dead letters of your own law.

You acknowledge no person not keeping your sabbath as being a brother or sister in the Lord, no more than you can have fellowship with murderers, fornicators, thieves, etc...

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

What an astounding example of Biblical ignorance that is. Scripture says the opposite of that: "Wherefore serveth the law? It was added because of transgression until the Seed should come..."

The transgressions before the law were those against God by defiling conscience. And with all the continually evil imaginations before the flood, Sabbath breaking was not one of them, because there was not commandment of Sabbath made by God, and thus made known to man.

The worst error of sabbath commanders today, is to actually think God has a law of commandment, that He does not make plainly known to man in His Scriptures, until it is written in Scripter, it is not made known as law and transgression:

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

There were no transgressions as by law of commandment, before the law was given by God to Moses.

Until the wilderness, there was only remembrance of a day of rest by God Himself after doing the work of creating heaven and earth.

 

[robert derrick]

Paul wanted to know why people served the Law of Moses which was added because of transgression to the already existing Ten Commandments, understand? It was the Law of Moses, not the Ten Commandments to which it was added, that began a Sinai and ended at the Cross, and is why it's no longer wrong to skip Passover, circumcision, meat and drink offerings, but if you commit adultery or kill or break the Sabbath, you become a transgressor of the law and will go to hell, understand?

Only 3 commandments were given by God before the law of Moses: Murder after the flood, the Passover in Egypt, and The Sabbath in the wilderness. Scripture speaks of laws and commandments of God Abraham kept, but are not written to know what they were. Nowhere does any Scripture speak of Adam, Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, etc...keeping a Sabbath.

And yet it is your first great commandment you must preach to all people, along with murder and adultery, but is not once spoken of in Scripture until the wilderness, whether by commandment nor as being kept. No word, nor letter, nor jot, nor tittle thereof.

Your Sabbath commandment is as mysteriously absent from Scripture before the wilderness, as the created christ's jehovah is from the whole of the New testament.

You read of a day of God's rest in Genesis and you make a commandment of Sabbath out of it. The created christers try to find the name jehovah in Halleluiah of the last book of the NT.

Both are digging for fool's gold to buy a commandment and a name out of very thin air, according to the prince of the power of the air.

 

[robert derrick]

Bulldookey, there are several places in Scripture where God makes a distinction between the Mosaic Law and God's Law. For instance, the Ten Commandments are called "holy, just, and good" but the Mosaic Law of the Levitical priesthood is called a "carnal commandment". How the flip can the same law simultaneously be "carnal" and "holy, just, and good"???

You now reject plain Scripture as written.

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.


The commandments were written in the law, not written separate from the law. All the judgments, statutes, tabernacle ordinances, and commandments of the God of Israel were written on the same stones, and the commandments were written last of all.

As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord.

Including circumcision.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

And the prophesies of Christ.

You remove one, you remove all. Your doctrine of anything written in the law, as being separated from the law at the cross, is false.

Once anything was written in the law, including circumcision, passover, and sabbath, it was all then removed with the law, never from within the law.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

For instance, the Ten Commandments are called "holy, just, and good" but the Mosaic Law of the Levitical priesthood is called a "carnal commandment". How the flip can the same law simultaneously be "carnal" and "holy, just, and good"???

First you reject Scripture as written, and then you take away from Scripture:

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

And finally you add to Scripture:

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law was changed, not a Mosaic law.

The whole priesthood was also made within the law, as well as the statutes and commandments of the law, and the whole priesthood and law was changed from that of Moses to that of Christ, wherein is no written commandment for circumcision, sabbath, nor passover.

All the law was written by God's own finger on two tables of stone, and was one whole law, and is one whole law of Christ today.

Your doctrine is false, and you plainly corrupt Scripture to teach it.

 

[robert derrick]

Paul wanted to know why people served the Law of Moses which was added because of transgression to the already existing Ten Commandments, understand? It was the Law of Moses, not the Ten Commandments to which it was added, that began a Sinai and ended at the Cross,

Only three commandments were written in Scripture by God and made known to man before the law at Sinai: Murder after the flood, passover in Egypt, and sabbath in the wilderness.

Those commandments were then included within the whole law of Moses, which was added because of transgressions of conscience against God. The only transgressions as by law before Sinai were murder after the flood, and profaning the passover and sabbath after Egypt.

but if you commit adultery or kill or break the Sabbath, you become a transgressor of the law and will go to hell, understand?

An exception-filled sabbath is as bulldookey, as the filthy hands that corrupt Scripture to make it.

And because the church of sabbath accuses faithful Christians as murderers for not keeping their sabbath of dung, there can be no fellowship between that church and the churches of God who wisely won't touch it.

The Two Great are not "in" anything - they are a SUMMARY of the Ten Commandments

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

We read the commandments written within the law, not apart nor outside the law.

The beauty of Scripture written by God, is to be written specifically for rebuking lies of man against the doctrine of Christ, whether it be a created false christ, or a lousy pseudo sabbath created with exceptions.

Explain how we can love God and our neighbor while breaking any of those Ten and I'll concede, but if you fail to do so, YOU CONCEDE.

Pseudo sabbath commanders wouldn't know how to love God, nor their neighbor, without their sabbath, upon which all their carnal worship and love hangs.

I've explained where your doctrine only exists by twisting Scripture, and showed you how to read them in accordance with the Spirit of Truth of the Scripture. All that remains is for you to abandon the popular errors you've parroted and embrace truth.

All that has been explained is how to teach false doctrine populated with corruption of Scripture.

I'd sooner embrace good ol' dung on the earth, than any such polluted sabbath.

Jesus says those who do and preach His commandments are regarded by heaven above as "great", while those who fight against them are regarded as "the least", so can you see which of us is on the Lord's side and which of us is on the side of rebellion against the Lord?

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Seeing that Hebrews 4:9 says it's our "duty" to keep the Sabbath, it's clear who's doing God's will and who isn't. T

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

I am in that day of rest spoken of Gen 2, prophesied in Psalms, and fulfilled in Christ.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Jesus' yoke is our cross, not a man-made sabbath, that is just a modern exception-riddled appearance of the Lord's Sabbath of old.

The good thing is that when a person is walking away from God, He allows U-turns ;)

Not so long as they believe their own lying commandments, from such there is no repentance.

BTW, if the Ten Commandments are no more, I'm sure you wouldn't object to me coming to your house and stealing all your stuff, seeing that it's OK with God now, right? I mean, how can you object to that which God now says is OK, right?

So long as any man is carrying their artificial sabbath, like a cross around their neck, they are not welcome in my home at all.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[savedbygrace1]

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert Him once they reached the promised land. It is understandable therefore, they were given the command to set aside a specific day to rest and contemplate on his kindness to them. However, under the new covenant our hearts have been softened. God and His Son dwell in us through the Spirit. Each and every day, believers rejoice in what God has done for them through His Son. Every day they are grateful for and instinctively meditate on God's kindness to them in sending His Son to die for them. We rejoice in our salvation. The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in born again believers every day of the week. Which would God prefer, spontaneous thanks, praise and meditation on Him because of his goodness to his children? Or, would he prefer people to do this because a commandment says they must once a week?

 

[robert derrick]

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert Him once they reached the promised land. It is understandable therefore, they were given the command to set aside a specific day to rest and contemplate on his kindness to them. However, under the new covenant our hearts have been softened. God and His Son dwell in us through the Spirit. Each and every day, believers rejoice in what God has done for them through His Son. Every day they are grateful for and instinctively meditate on God's kindness to them in sending His Son to die for them. We rejoice in our salvation. The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in born again believers every day of the week. Which would God prefer, spontaneous thanks, praise and meditation on Him because of his goodness to his children? Or, would he prefer people to do this because a commandment says they must once a week?

Your teaching is true.

However, this thread is not just another argument about the Sabbath, but specifically about the lack of any spiritual worship in a carnal sabbath, as well as the hypocrisy of the modern version vs the true Sabbath of old.

 

[robert derrick]

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I for one don't advertise my worship in Spirit and truth because of fear of being associated with kooky OSAS and charismatic Christians who constantly gush about having the "spirit" but then profess doctrines and beliefs which can't possibly come from the Holy Spirit.

Well, you've got that going for you. Now if you would only preach the law and doctrine of Christ, you would be perfect.

For instance, Acts 5:32 KJV is clear God only gives His Spirit to "them that obey Him", not those who refuse to do so.

Neither does He give the Spirit to them that obey the traditions and commandments of men taught for doctrine of Christ.

This hypocrisy of the Jews pointed out by Jesus is actually demonstrated by YOUR position which is the driver ought to forget the Sabbath and then use the money to keep the 5th commandment.

I don't do Corban for working on any day of the week.

The modern sabbath commandment is not the Lord's of old, but contains ready-made Corban excuses for working on their sabbath.

Now we see they don't even want to admit it, when they are the ones teaching it.

I assure you, the Sabbath commandment is derived from the same bunch that says don't steal, don't lie, don't worship the devil.

In the OT law of Moses, yes. Not in the NT law of Christ. I don't read any commandment written by the apostles to keep a sabbath. Nor is there any reproof about any Christian profaning a sabbath.

There's nothing more ridiculous than to argue nine of the Ten Commandments remain for Christians, as if getting baptized gets you a 10% discount.

Getting baptized in company of others, gets us ready fellowship of the church, which is its purpose.

What is ridiculous is commanding a sabbath with exceptions for Corban, that would dishonor the Lord's Sabbath of old, including that of dishonoring mother and father.

This other modern-day sabbath commandment is not only false, but it isn't even the Lord's.

The Sabbath is found being kept throughout the NT, and is commanded in Hebrews 4:9 in the Greek, so this statement is simply wrong.

We read of converted Jews going into the synagogues on the sabbath days to preach Jesus Christ. We don't read of converted gentiles keeping sabbath days, much less going into the synagogues of the Jews religion.

The attempt to find a sabbath commandment in Heb 4 is proof, that there is no such commandment in the doctrine of the apostles.

How many times was the Lord's Sabbath commanded before the cross of Jesus, and also reproved for profaining? Hundreds of times.

And yet not once after the cross. This mysterious sabbath commandment is as much hot air, as some christ-creating jehovah only peeping of the word Halleluiah in the last book of the Bible.

Here are the facts: People were knowingly committing adultery, murder, theft, lying long before it was wrong to skip Passover, circumcision, or first born redemption sacrifices - your refusal to differentiate between the laws that go back to the beginning from the Mosaic Law which was "added because of transgression until the Seed should come" is why your doctrine is so disharmonious.

People were doing those things, and the only laws written against them were by man, not God. They were transgressions against God by defiled consciences, not as by law. And none of them are recorded in Scripture, so as to include profaning sabbaths.

And since modern sabbath commanders also accuse Christians of being guilty of adultery, murder, theft, and lying, if they don't keep their artificial sabbath, then the accusation of being 'disharmonious' is pretty lame.

I don't skip over anything that isn't there. At this time, with sabbaths, passovers, blood of bulls and goats, outward circumcision, there is no there there.

Why do Antinomianists refuse to acknowledge that Gentiles were expected to conform to God's law when they incorporated themselves? Good gravy, man, grace is not a OSAS License to Sin, but both pardon for sin and power to stop sinning aka doing that which condemned Jesus to die.

I am not anti-law of Christ, only anti-law of man taught for law of Christ.

The rest you said is true. Now, if you will stop commanding a pseudo-exemptions-filled sabbath on others, then you too can be perfect in Christ.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Captivity to a bogus sabbath of one's own making, is theirs alone, as well as using their own sword to condemn the guiltless:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Do you want to keep driving fresh nails into the hands of Jesus? Of course you don't but that's what we do when we refuse to obey Him.

No man can drive nails into Jesus' hands anymore, thouogh they can trasmple His blood and despise His Spirit of grace.

We obey Him and His law, not the commandments of men taught for His law.

If "rewriting" Scripture was wrong, the Bible would have to be kept only in the original language like Allah says the Koran must be kept.

And so now, we see defending corrupting Scripture under the banner of 'translation'.

"Twisting" - not "rewriting" - is what Peter condemns, got it? It's not wrong for George Lamsa to translate aka "rewrite" ancient Eastern MSS into English as he's done. Moreover, the KJV also refers to "rest" as "Sabbatimos" which a blind man can see refers to the weekly Sabbath, understand?

Corrupting Scripture includes corrupting context.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I have entered into that sabbatimos. I no longer seek to do works of my own righteousness, and no man labors to stop working on the job.

To command a sabbath today, demands judging by it, and the one commanded today isn't even the Lord's of yesterday.

And the amount of laboring put into trying to command a pseudo-sabbath today, is the same as those trying to preach a pseudo created christ: plenty of overwhelming Scripture corruption, that is exposed by the simple absence of any Scripture declaring it is true.

 

[Phoneman777]

You need to update it to me sir as I have no idea what you mean by Codify

"arrange (rules or laws) into a systematic code" such as the Code of Hammurabi. Of course, the Ten Commandments existed before Sinai, and at Sinai were merely "arranged into a systematic code".

It will always be wrong to violate any of them, thus proving the eternal nature of them. Everyone thinks they're great until the issue of the 4th one comes up.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do not you actually violate it every week sir?

No, I rest on the Sabbath, according to the 4th commandment.

 

[Phoneman777]

Nine are written in Scripture of the apostles and in my heart and mind. I have no law written in me, that is not first written by Jesus for me through His apostles.

If you don't have God's law in your heart, you aren't a New Covenant Christian, because both Jeremiah 31:33 KJV and Hebrews 8:10 KJV say this very thing.

You wrote your own exception-ridden sabbath, which is not even the Lord's of old, into your own heart and mind: you have been proselytized by others, and now seek to do the same to others.

LOL I have no choice but to reference the 4th commandment because the Mosaic Law is nailed to the Cross.

A child can read sabbath days being only a shadow, and no more to judge as transgressors for.

How many times I gotta tell you the Sabbath was made as a MEMORIAL to the past, not a shadow of the future, according to Genesis 2:1-3 KJV?

And any child can read of God resting on the 7th day as an example of resting from work after 6 days. But, no child can read a sabbath commandment written in Gen 2, nor anywhere else in Scripture until Exodus 16, because it is not written there. Less 'exegesis' and more reading what is written in Scripture, leads to rightly dividing the word of truth, by first dividing between what is written in Scripture, and what false teachers want to be written as Scripture. No sabbath commandment is written in Scripture, until the children of Israel was in the wilderness, as a test for obeying His word on gathering of manna.

Take cover - I'm about to drop a 20 Megaton Truth Bomb on you showing why the Sabbath of Exodus and the 7th day of Genesis are the exact same thing: Genesis says God "blessed" the 7th day and Exodus says God "blessed" the Sabbath day, right?
QUESTION: Were these blessings the SAME blessing or two different blessings?
ANSWER: SAME - because 2 Chronicles 17:27 KJV says when God blesses something, it remains blessed "forever" and doesn't require another dose or booster shot, got it? Therefore, when Exodus 20 says God "blessed the Sabbath", it's talking about the blessing God bestowed on it in Genesis.

Cain knew it was wrong, when the Lord spoke to him about it.

Bulldookey. If Cain didn't know it was wrong, God wouldn't have punished him because "in times of ignorance, God winked" at our ignorance.

You acknowledge no person not keeping your sabbath as being a brother or sister in the Lord, no more than you can have fellowship with murderers, fornicators, thieves, etc...

Abraham obeyed God's voice, His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. If you think the Sabbath commandment wasn't included among all that, you're dreaming.

The transgressions before the law were those against God by defiling conscience.

No, the transgressions were against the Ten Commandments, to which the Mosaic Law was added because of those transgressions.

And with all the continually evil imaginations before the flood, Sabbath breaking was not one of them, because there was not commandment of Sabbath made by God, and thus made known to man.

Why do you deny Scripture? God plainly says in Exodus 16 before they got anywhere near Sinai that He wanted to test to see if the people would "walk in MY LAW or no" before they got anywhere near Sinai and immediately tells the people to keep the Sabbath and not gather manna which proves the Sabbath was already His Law before they got anywhere near Sinai. Did I mention God says the Sabbath was "MY LAW" before they had gotten anywhere near Sinai?

The worst error of sabbath commanders today, is to actually think God has a law of commandment, that He does not make plainly known to man in His Scriptures, until it is written in Scripter, it is not made known as law and transgression:

I've shown you the Sabbath was blessed in Eden proving it goes back to Eden, that it existed as God's Law and faithfulness to the Sabbath law was tested before they got anywhere near Sinai, it is commanded again in Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Peshitta by "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath", and that it will be kept for all eternity in New Jerusalem when we get up there. Stop ignoring the facts to establish your illegitimate Antinomianist views, OK?

There were no transgressions as by law of commandment, before the law was given by God to Moses. Until the wilderness, there was only remembrance of a day of rest by God Himself after doing the work of creating heaven and earth.

"...that I may prove whether they will walk in My law or no" is what God said about the Sabbath BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE they got anywhere near Sinai, got it? Please stop spreading this false information.

 

[Phoneman777]

Only 3 commandments were given by God before the law of Moses: Murder after the flood, the Passover in Egypt, and The Sabbath in the wilderness. Scripture speaks of laws and commandments of God Abraham kept, but are not written to know what they were. Nowhere does any Scripture speak of Adam, Abel, Noah, Job, Abraham, etc...keeping a Sabbath.

And yet it is your first great commandment you must preach to all people, along with murder and adultery, but is not once spoken of in Scripture until the wilderness, whether by commandment nor as being kept. No word, nor letter, nor jot, nor tittle thereof.

Your Sabbath commandment is as mysteriously absent from Scripture before the wilderness, as the created christ's jehovah is from the whole of the New testament.

You read of a day of God's rest in Genesis and you make a commandment of Sabbath out of it. The created christers try to find the name jehovah in Halleluiah of the last book of the NT.

Both are digging for fool's gold to buy a commandment and a name out of very thin air, according to the prince of the power of the air.

Cain knew murder was wrong, Rachel knew stealing was wrong, Abraham knew lying was wrong, Joseph knew adultery was wrong, Satan knew coveting God's throne was wrong, people knew breaking the Sabbath commandment by gathering manna was wrong, all these were among the "voice, charge, commandments, statutes and laws" of God which existed before Israel got anywhere near Sinai!

 

[Phoneman777]

You now reject plain Scripture as written.

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.


The commandments were written in the law, not written separate from the law. All the judgments, statutes, tabernacle ordinances, and commandments of the God of Israel were written on the same stones, and the commandments were written last of all.

This is just a ridiculous play on words. The Ten Commandments are written IN God's law and the ceremonial/sacrificial laws that were "shadows of things to come" are written IN the Mosaic Law. Happy?

 

[Phoneman777]

Only three commandments were written in Scripture by God and made known to man before the law at Sinai: Murder after the flood, passover in Egypt, and sabbath in the wilderness.

Those commandments were then included within the whole law of Moses, which was added because of transgressions of conscience against God. The only transgressions as by law before Sinai were murder after the flood, and profaning the passover and sabbath after Egypt.



An exception-filled sabbath is as bulldookey, as the filthy hands that corrupt Scripture to make it.

And because the church of sabbath accuses faithful Christians as murderers for not keeping their sabbath of dung, there can be no fellowship between that church and the churches of God who wisely won't touch it.


He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

We read the commandments written within the law, not apart nor outside the law.

The beauty of Scripture written by God, is to be written specifically for rebuking lies of man against the doctrine of Christ, whether it be a created false christ, or a lousy pseudo sabbath created with exceptions.



Pseudo sabbath commanders wouldn't know how to love God, nor their neighbor, without their sabbath, upon which all their carnal worship and love hangs.



All that has been explained is how to teach false doctrine populated with corruption of Scripture.

I'd sooner embrace good ol' dung on the earth, than any such polluted sabbath.



As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

I am in that day of rest spoken of Gen 2, prophesied in Psalms, and fulfilled in Christ.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Jesus' yoke is our cross, not a man-made sabbath, that is just a modern exception-riddled appearance of the Lord's Sabbath of old.



Not so long as they believe their own lying commandments, from such there is no repentance.



So long as any man is carrying their artificial sabbath, like a cross around their neck, they are not welcome in my home at all.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I keep answering your ridiculous arguments with solid exegesis such as the Ten Commandments existed before Sinail, including the Sabbath, but you refuse to acknowledge the Bible or the truth of it.

Did God want to test the faithfulness of the people to "MY LAW" by ordering them to rest on Sabbath? Yes, He did, proving that the commandment to rest on Sabbath was an ALREADY EXISTING LAW that God had in His HEAVENLY CODE OF LAW long before the people got anywhere near Sinai.

You've already been shown that Joseph called adultery "sin against God", but you keep on ignoring the facts and arguing some ridiculous notion there were only three laws that existed before Sinai.

Stop lumping the Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law in together when the Bible clearly makes a distinction between these two different laws, the one written by the hand of Moses and the other by the finger of God.

 

[Phoneman777]

Well, you've got that going for you. Now if you would only preach the law and doctrine of Christ, you would be perfect.



Neither does He give the Spirit to them that obey the traditions and commandments of men taught for doctrine of Christ.



I don't do Corban for working on any day of the week.

The modern sabbath commandment is not the Lord's of old, but contains ready-made Corban excuses for working on their sabbath.

Now we see they don't even want to admit it, when they are the ones teaching it.



In the OT law of Moses, yes. Not in the NT law of Christ. I don't read any commandment written by the apostles to keep a sabbath. Nor is there any reproof about any Christian profaning a sabbath.



Getting baptized in company of others, gets us ready fellowship of the church, which is its purpose.

What is ridiculous is commanding a sabbath with exceptions for Corban, that would dishonor the Lord's Sabbath of old, including that of dishonoring mother and father.

This other modern-day sabbath commandment is not only false, but it isn't even the Lord's.


We read of converted Jews going into the synagogues on the sabbath days to preach Jesus Christ. We don't read of converted gentiles keeping sabbath days, much less going into the synagogues of the Jews religion.

The attempt to find a sabbath commandment in Heb 4 is proof, that there is no such commandment in the doctrine of the apostles.

How many times was the Lord's Sabbath commanded before the cross of Jesus, and also reproved for profaining? Hundreds of times.

And yet not once after the cross. This mysterious sabbath commandment is as much hot air, as some christ-creating jehovah only peeping of the word Halleluiah in the last book of the Bible.



People were doing those things, and the only laws written against them were by man, not God. They were transgressions against God by defiled consciences, not as by law. And none of them are recorded in Scripture, so as to include profaning sabbaths.

And since modern sabbath commanders also accuse Christians of being guilty of adultery, murder, theft, and lying, if they don't keep their artificial sabbath, then the accusation of being 'disharmonious' is pretty lame.

I don't skip over anything that isn't there. At this time, with sabbaths, passovers, blood of bulls and goats, outward circumcision, there is no there there.



I am not anti-law of Christ, only anti-law of man taught for law of Christ.

The rest you said is true. Now, if you will stop commanding a pseudo-exemptions-filled sabbath on others, then you too can be perfect in Christ.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Captivity to a bogus sabbath of one's own making, is theirs alone, as well as using their own sword to condemn the guiltless:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.



No man can drive nails into Jesus' hands anymore, thouogh they can trasmple His blood and despise His Spirit of grace.

We obey Him and His law, not the commandments of men taught for His law.



And so now, we see defending corrupting Scripture under the banner of 'translation'.



Corrupting Scripture includes corrupting context.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I have entered into that sabbatimos. I no longer seek to do works of my own righteousness, and no man labors to stop working on the job.

To command a sabbath today, demands judging by it, and the one commanded today isn't even the Lord's of yesterday.

And the amount of laboring put into trying to command a pseudo-sabbath today, is the same as those trying to preach a pseudo created christ: plenty of overwhelming Scripture corruption, that is exposed by the simple absence of any Scripture declaring it is true.

If the Ten Commandments Jesus spoke at Sinai aren't the "law of Christ", who's flippin laws are they? Satan's? The Michelin Man's?

 

[robert derrick]

If you don't have God's law in your heart, you aren't a New Covenant Christian, because both Jeremiah 31:33 KJV and Hebrews 8:10 KJV say this very thing.

I don't have sabbath commander's law in my heart.

How many times I gotta tell you the Sabbath was made as a MEMORIAL to the past, not a shadow of the future, according to Genesis 2:1-3 KJV?

For a memorial is the future, as in the passover and the ephod stones. Not a retrograde law of the past.

A Sabbath isn't even spoken of a memorial, except when adding blowing of trumpets on the 7th month, which was a shadow of good things to come about Jericho, and the 2nd coming of Christ at the last trump.

Take cover - I'm about to drop a 20 Megaton Truth Bomb on you showing why the Sabbath of Exodus and the 7th day of Genesis are the exact same thing: Genesis says God "blessed" the 7th day and Exodus says God "blessed" the Sabbath day, right?
QUESTION: Were these blessings the SAME blessing or two different blessings?
ANSWER: SAME - because 2 Chronicles 17:27 KJV says when God blesses something, it remains blessed "forever" and doesn't require another dose or booster shot, got it? Therefore, when Exodus 20 says God "blessed the Sabbath", it's talking about the blessing God bestowed on it in Genesis.

The blessing was physically, if obeyed. Adam was not blessed by God having rest after creating him.

The blessing of keeping the law of God is not being judge as by law.

Bulldookey. If Cain didn't know it was wrong, God wouldn't have punished him because "in times of ignorance, God winked" at our ignorance.

God didn't wink at Abel's murder, but confronted him with it, put a mark on Cain for life, and also condemned him in Scripture of John's epistle.

If the law of Moses were in effect in the day of Cain, man would have killed him in obedience to the law.

Abraham obeyed God's voice, His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. If you think the Sabbath commandment wasn't included among all that, you're dreaming.

If any man says the sabbath commandment was included, then like elsewhere they are adding your own law to Scripture.

The dream commandment of sabbath with exceptions is false. And it isn't even the Sabbath commandment given by God of old.

No, the transgressions were against the Ten Commandments, to which the Mosaic Law was added because of those transgressions.

Already corrected.

Why do you deny Scripture? God plainly says in Exodus 16 before they got anywhere near Sinai that He wanted to test to see if the people would "walk in MY LAW or no" before they got anywhere near Sinai and immediately tells the people to keep the Sabbath and not gather manna which proves the Sabbath was already His Law before they got anywhere near Sinai. Did I mention God says the Sabbath was "MY LAW" before they had gotten anywhere near Sinai?

Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

The law was spoken of in future, God would see if they will keep written law, when He gives His law to them.

That law began with the sabbath to test them in gathering of manna.

Some proved not to walk in His law, but gathered on the Sabbath anyway.

The law was not retrograde, as man's unjust laws.

I've shown you the Sabbath was blessed in Eden proving it goes back to Eden,

Only one commandment and law was made in Eden: to eat freely, but not of that tree.

that it existed as God's Law and faithfulness to the Sabbath law was tested before they got anywhere near Sinai,

True, in the matter of gathering manna, of which gathering the sabbath law was a test of obedience, before they got to Sinai.

it is commanded again in Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Peshitta by "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath"

Is it pishitta or peshitta? Anyway, pershitta meshitta.

I am in His sabattismos now. Others can dutifully wait another week.

and that it will be kept for all eternity in New Jerusalem when we get up there.

It will be kept again on earth by the natural seed serving the returned Christ.

There is no sabbath nor any day of distinction in the new heaven and earth, where there is no need of sun nor moon to shine, because the Lamb is the light thereof.

The carnal dream of an eternal sabbath day, is carnal.

And it's If we get there. Trust in a pseudo-sabbath makes religious people proud in their boasts, just as the Pharisee Jews had in their religion.

Stop ignoring the facts to establish your illegitimate Antinomianist views, OK?

Antinomial of man, is not antinomial of Christ.

"...that I may prove whether they will walk in My law or no" is what God said about the Sabbath BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE they got anywhere near Sinai, got it? Please stop spreading this false information.

When He made the sabbath law, is when He proved them in the wilderness, before ever getting to Sinai.

Please stop spreading this false information.

I don't waste breath begging people to do what I know they will not do. Neither does the Lord.

What you are begging for, is to stop showing how the new modernized sabbath is not even the Lord's Sabbath of old.

 

[robert derrick]

Cain knew murder was wrong, Rachel knew stealing was wrong, Abraham knew lying was wrong, Joseph knew adultery was wrong, Satan knew coveting God's throne was wrong, people knew breaking the Sabbath commandment by gathering manna was wrong, all these were among the "voice, charge, commandments, statutes and laws" of God which existed before Israel got anywhere near Sinai!

You're getting close. At least now you now there was no knowledge of breaking a sabbath, until it was first made law by the God of Israel pertaining to His people gathering manna in the wilderness.

The law of God, unlike unrighteous man, is not retrogradely activated.

Just drop the commandment part of your exceptions-based sabbath, and you'll do just fine. You can then like it, love it, and want more of it, without condemning the guiltless.

And you can make all the Corban for the offering plate you want.