Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

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Philip James

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The so called reformers rejected it for political reasons, not the truth of Scripture


Why do the nations protest and the peoples grumble in vain?

Kings on earth rise up and princes plot together against the LORD and his anointed:



"Let us break their shackles and cast off their chains!"

The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them
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Pax et Bonum
 

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Given the excessive number of threads and responses in this forum an others regarding Mary, I have to ask...WHY?

Why are Catholics so fixated on Mary? Why does every Catholic church have a significant number of statues and shrines to Mary on the premises and only the giant crucifix with Christ hanging on the cross and maybe a handful of stained glass windows depicting Him? Why do Catholics have shrines to Mary in their front yard and NOT a cross?

In my opinion, it's the magicians 'trick' of distraction taking ones' focus off Jesus, our Savior! How many 'Hail Mary's' have Catholics droned over the years? How many Catholic prayers even MENTION Jesus?

There is close to zero prophecy in the old testament about her other than a couple of references to 'born of a virgin' that refer to Mary 100s of years before she was chosen by God to carry HIS Son. Yet there is voluminous OT prophecy of the Messiah...Jesus.

And no, Genesis 3:15 does NOT reference Mary. The woman in that verse refers to Israel in and Satan's war to destroy Israel thus nullifying Gods' Word, not MARY!

Mary is NOT God! Mary is NOT A god! Mary is simply the 'birth mother' of Jesus chosen by God, no more, no less. So why all the hub-bub about Mary?
I used to pray the rosary after confession and not one bead on it I can remember was representative of a prayer to Jesus.

They had us skip Jesus and pray "hail Mary's" instead.

This thread just reminded me of that stuff.
 

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I have heard scripture proclaimed since I was a babe, it is written on my heart..

Why then would I flee the Feast?

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Cause when men put their slant on scriptures then know and understand one is in the wrong place and at the table of the wrong feast .
We should have simply learned the bible for ourselves . Way too many men have long taken over much of christendom
and are leading folks to a table of a feast , only at the table its filled with the slanted doctrines of men gone wrong .
I wont eat at that table my friend . I will warn them and pray they come out , as i desire the death of none
but only good for the soul . The CC is dangerous my friend .
 
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Heya Bob,

And if someone asked you to pray for them while you were in that 'bettrr place' would you.

Pax et Bonum

I see no Biblical evidence that such a thing is even possible. We're told to pray one for another WHILE WE LIVE together. the whole "intercession of the canonized saints" is a totally groundless ROman Catholic invention. We're told by none other that JESUS to pray to FATHER GOD in Jesus' Name. why isn't THAT "good enough" for Catholics?????
 

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Cause when men put their slant on scriptures then know and understand one is in the wrong place and at the table of the wrong feast .
We should have simply learned the bible for ourselves . Way too many men have long taken over much of christendom
and are leading folks to a table of a feast , only at the table its filled with the slanted doctrines of men gone wrong .
I wont eat at that table my friend . I will warn them and pray they come out , as i desire the death of none
but only good for the soul . The CC is dangerous my friend .

Dear amigo,
I love your fervor and zeal, truly I do.. But you are doing the very thing you warn here against.. You are rejecting what your brothers and sisters have belived and lived for 2000 years and replacing it with your own slant..

'Cause when men put their slant on scriptures then know and understand one is in the wrong place '

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
 

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Dear amigo,
I love your fervor and zeal, truly I do.. But you are doing the very thing you warn here against.. You are rejecting what your brothers and sisters have belived and lived for 2000 years and replacing it with your own slant..

'Cause when men put their slant on scriptures then know and understand one is in the wrong place '

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
I aint the one teaching folks to pray to mary to saints and angels . That is PUTTING a SLANT on things my friend .
I am just truly trying to help folks to cease things that should never have been done and just return
to true christanity . JUST learning and following Christ . I aint putting a slant on anything .
Just correcting is all .
 

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Look at all the denominations for a bit . We got new age , we got mormonism , we got this and that ,
And yet they all claim THEY are the church , the one true church . Now how on earth can that be true
when they teach some serious deadly errors . IF we want to KNOW we follow CHRIST and are not decieved by men
my best advice is , RETURN to the source . READ the BIBLE for yourselves and not through the lens of any denomination .
GO back , start fresh and learn . Watch what would happen .
IF folks truly desired the things of GOD you would see a true kind of UNITY and JESUS WOULD be HONORED , GOD would be HONORED .
But no , folks dont want to put down the traditions of men . And i aint agains traditions , but i am against FALSE traditions .
Examine to see if we truly are walking in the faith . Most all claim the bible is inspired by GOD
WELL OPEN IT UP and start learning .
 
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Then you have the far larger other side that is now embracing everyones path and saying we all children of GOD .
Let us return to the bible and just learn Christ for ourselves .
 
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IF folks truly desired the things of GOD you would see a true kind of UNITY and JESUS WOULD be HONORED , GOD would be HONORED .

Hey amigo,
For 1000 years, Christendom built monuments to the honour of Jesus and God.. What monuments to His glory has the American empire built?

Pax et Bonum
 

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I see no Biblical evidence that such a thing is even possible.

When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.


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Hey amigo,
For 1000 years, Christendom built monuments to the honour of Jesus and God.. What monuments to His glory has the American empire built?

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Folks do as folks do . lambs do as JESUS said to do .
Did you know that one once asked me why i dont wear certain things like a cross or etc .
They said i should cause then folks would know i was christain .
I then said , IF THEY cant SEE i am christain in my walk , THEN I AINT CHRISTAIN . YEAH it got real silent .
See many folks are busy decking up the outside , getting christian so called tattoes and etc ,
YET the fruits prove they aint . ITS NOT about that . Did you know that i used to long long ago
even wear a crucifix , yet any given night of the week i would be at bars and sleeping around .
AS i said , if one cant see you a christain by your walk , YOU aint one .
JESUS , GOD , they dont need us to BUILD HUGE STATUES . GOD dont desire us to kneel down
before graven images or hold on to beads so perhaps we might get heard .
NO , HE dont even need us to pray to angels , mary , saints .
HE even knows what i have need of long before i pray . I dont have to draw circles around objects
and chant phrases so HE can hear me . HE KNOWS . I have ALL I NEED IN CHRIST .
PRAY TO GOD in JESUS name . He sure dont need no shack books . I see witchcraft all over the churches .
WE even have folks using what they call Destiny cards to talk to angels . Talk about witchcraft .
But it aint no worse than what the CC has been doing . WHY we just cant return to the simple worship and examples in that bible ......
WHY o why will man perish under the traditions of men gone wrong .
WHY o WHY cant folks just learn CHRIST . Its real simple . IT aint complicated .
GOD spoke everything into existance . He knows the heart . ALL WE NEED is to pray to GOD in JESUS name .
THEY can keep all the rest . I actually see people acting like their cross is some kind of good luck charm
and if they pray without one they think GOD might not hear them . ISNT that rather odd .
CAUSE AINT ANYTHING TO HARD FOR GOD . HE KNOWS . And worse you should see what this new pope has been doing .
You should read vatican two . BLASPHEMY . YET they say MOST HOLY REVERAND HOLY VICAR . Talk about a delusoin .
WE NEED to return to the simplicty in CHRIST and DO so very fast before its too late .
 
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WHY we just cant return to the simple worship and example

Indeed!

'This is My Body, take and eat'

'he who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood remains in me and I in him'

You don't get more basic than that..

For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church


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Oy vey! More babbling!

"Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!" is a lie. She is not the mother of God! She is not "ever virgin"! She is not sinless. She is not the mother of our salvation. None of that is in the Bible. It's all lies.

Mary was not sinless. That is not in the Bible either.

"None of satan's works are found in Mary" is a lie. She was not sinless!

The woman in Revelation 12:1 is not Mary. Another lie!

She is not the mother of our salvation. Unbiblical garbage!

"Mother of the Redeemer is the mother of all the redeemed!" is yet another lie.

"Mother of our Savior is the mother of all those who obtain salvation!" is yet another lie.

You will have to answer to God for all your lies!!! May God have mercy on your soul! (But I doubt that He will!!!)








you said Jesus is not God!
Jesus is not our redeemer!
Jesus is not our salvation!

anything else?
 

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Biblical principle:

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!

So Mary CANNOT be a sinner or a bad tree!




Tree of life!

The tree of life on the garden is a type of Mary!

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Jn 6:51)

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Proverbs 3:18
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

A Good tree cannot bear bad fruit!
A biblical principle approved by Jesus even though He knew it would be used to defend His sinless mother!

Mary is the tree of life!






Sacred womb of Mary!

Isa 7:14 Theotokos the “God bearer”!

Sacred womb!
Blessed fruit of her womb!

Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

A sinner cannot have a sacred womb and be blessed and have a blessed fruit of her womb!

Only a good tree, a holy & immaculate tree can bear the good fruit who is God and our redemption and salvation!



Only a queen can bear a king!

The mother of the king is always a queen!




Song of Solomon 6

1 Whither is thy beloved gone, O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside? that we may seek him with thee.

2 My beloved is gone down into his garden, to the beds of spices, to feed in the gardens, and to gather lilies.

3 I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine: he feedeth among the lilies.

4 Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.

5 Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as a flock of goats that appear from Gilead.

6 Thy teeth are as a flock of sheep which go up from the washing, whereof every one beareth twins, and there is not one barren among them.

7 As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.

8 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.

9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?




Luke 1:28 Hail Mary full of Grace!
The Lord is with thee!
Blessed are Thou among women!

Luke 1:30 thou hast found favor with God!

What favor?

Our salvation lost by Adam!

Mary is already experiencing the grace of God and salvation in advance, gen 3:15 enmity between Mary and Satan! Total war, none of his wicked works are found in her, Lk 1:28 Mary is already full of grace, preserved by God from all sin in virtue of the merits of Her divine son, so she found this favor for us, and consents to our salvation Lk 1:38 and Jesus Christ is our salvation Lk 2:30 as king Lk 1:32-33 Christ has a kingdom both of justice and mercy! The mother of the king in the davidic line is the queen and received half of the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice and Mary the kingdom of grace and mercy! The throne of mercy is Mary, and all graces come to us Her children thru Her!
Heb 4:16 Jn 19:26:27 rev 12:17

Hail, holy queen, mother of mercy and of love, our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
 

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And worse you should see what this new pope has been doing .
You should read vatican two . BLASPHEMY .
Which document? They are available on line for everyone to see. You don't specify which Vatican II document is blasphemous because you are afraid of them. Easy to read summaries are also available but you are afraid of them too. Your anti-Catholicism is based on fear to the point of psychosis. Your rant is silly and childish.
 

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Biblical principle:

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!

So Mary CANNOT be a sinner or a bad tree!




Tree of life!

The tree of life on the garden is a type of Mary!

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Jn 6:51)

Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Proverbs 3:18
She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

A Good tree cannot bear bad fruit!
A biblical principle approved by Jesus even though He knew it would be used to defend His sinless mother!

Mary is the tree of life!






Sacred womb of Mary!

Isa 7:14 Theotokos the “God bearer”!

Sacred womb!
Blessed fruit of her womb!

Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

A sinner cannot have a sacred womb and be blessed and have a blessed fruit of her womb!

Only a good tree, a holy & immaculate tree can bear the good fruit who is God and our redemption and salvation!



Only a queen can bear a king!

The mother of the king is always a queen!




Song of Solomon 6

1 Whither is thy beloved gone, O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside? that we may seek him with thee.

2 My beloved is gone down into his garden, to the beds of spices, to feed in the gardens, and to gather lilies.

3 I am my beloved's, and my beloved is mine: he feedeth among the lilies.

4 Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.

5 Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me: thy hair is as a flock of goats that appear from Gilead.

6 Thy teeth are as a flock of sheep which go up from the washing, whereof every one beareth twins, and there is not one barren among them.

7 As a piece of a pomegranate are thy temples within thy locks.

8 There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.

9 My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.

10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?




Luke 1:28 Hail Mary full of Grace!
The Lord is with thee!
Blessed are Thou among women!

Luke 1:30 thou hast found favor with God!

What favor?

Our salvation lost by Adam!

Mary is already experiencing the grace of God and salvation in advance, gen 3:15 enmity between Mary and Satan! Total war, none of his wicked works are found in her, Lk 1:28 Mary is already full of grace, preserved by God from all sin in virtue of the merits of Her divine son, so she found this favor for us, and consents to our salvation Lk 1:38 and Jesus Christ is our salvation Lk 2:30 as king Lk 1:32-33 Christ has a kingdom both of justice and mercy! The mother of the king in the davidic line is the queen and received half of the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice and Mary the kingdom of grace and mercy! The throne of mercy is Mary, and all graces come to us Her children thru Her!
Heb 4:16 Jn 19:26:27 rev 12:17

Hail, holy queen, mother of mercy and of love, our life, our sweetness, and our hope!

So now Mary is a tree! You have finally and utterly lost it!

If the woman in Genesis is Mary, then it was she who was seduced by the serpent and is responsible for bringing sin into the world. Mary brought sin into the world!

So Mary is a sinner and a "bad tree"!

A sinner cannot have a sacred womb and be blessed and have a blessed fruit of her womb! a) there is nothing in the Bible about a sacred womb. b) Mary was a sinner, used by God.


If you think that "holy queen, mother of mercy and of love, our life, our sweetness, and our hope" is Mary, you are clearly delusional. Also, this isn't found anywhere in the Bible; it's just a meaningless phrase.

Again, you're either a troll or nuts.


 
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Which document? They are available on line for everyone to see. You don't specify which Vatican II document is blasphemous because you are afraid of them. Easy to read summaries are also available but you are afraid of them too. Your anti-Catholicism is based on fear to the point of psychosis. Your rant is silly and childish.

Your pro-Catholicism is based on ignorance to the point of psychosis. Your rant is silly and childish.
 
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Which document? They are available on line for everyone to see. You don't specify which Vatican II document is blasphemous because you are afraid of them. Easy to read summaries are also available but you are afraid of them too. Your anti-Catholicism is based on fear to the point of psychosis. Your rant is silly and childish.
The one that says christains and muslims worship the same GOD . Try and move your lips around that one . That is all you do .
EVEN when i brought the video of pope francis and his twenty sixteen prayer , ALL YOU DID was to TRY AND JUSTIFY IT .
The blind cannot lead the blind . You are trapped in the delusion . All i can do now is pray for you in hopes you will come out from amongst it .
 
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Your pro-Catholicism is based on ignorance to the point of psychosis. Your rant is silly and childish.
The man is trapped heavy in the delusion . ITs why i hardly ever respond to him anymore . You could bring ten thousand scrips
to prove the falsehoods and this man Would justify the falsehoods and twist the scripture to FIT THE FALSEHOOD .
ALL i can do now is let him go and pray that perhaps he can be brought to the saving light of Christ berfore its forever too late .
Cause aint nobody gonna preach anyone out of the lake of fire . Prayer for the dead IS USELESS . What matters is
What , who , does one truly follow in THIS LIFE . FOr once this life ends , ITS TOO LATE . AND the popes cant pray anyone out of the
lake of fire . Nor can anyone else .
 

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So now Mary is a tree! You have finally and utterly lost it!

If the woman in Genesis is Mary, then it was she who was seduced by the serpent and is responsible for bringing sin into the world. Mary brought sin into the world!

So Mary is a sinner and a "bad tree"!

A sinner cannot have a sacred womb and be blessed and have a blessed fruit of her womb! a) there is nothing in the Bible about a sacred womb. b) Mary was a sinner, used by God.

If you think that "holy queen, mother of mercy and of love, our life, our sweetness, and our hope" is Mary, you are clearly delusional. Also, this isn't found anywhere in the Bible; it's just a meaningless phrase.

Again, you're either a troll or nuts.


we believe God and his teaching authority not the “baby believers Bible alone”!

from the Bible alone you cannot know what is the Bible! Only The church has this authority!
 
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