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Just to say I opened a thread on being born again which would help solve the discussion here but so far none of the proponents of ASNS have joined - I guess arguing is more of an adrenaline hit than resolve.

Being 'Born Again'
 

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The phrase Born Again appears three times in the Bible with no real detail....and that fact is Protestant denominations do not agree on what it is or what it means.



Only Three Times ? Who cares if it is 3 or 3000? .....Here is the only “ Detail” That you need to know about it —-It * MUST* happen.....” You MUST be Born Again....”
 

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Instead of making a comment, how about posting some verses
OR
even better...

How about answering my question as to how to reconcile the following verses with YOUR own personal belief system?

Here they are again from post 814:

The NT teaches that salvation can be forfeited.
I posted some verses in my other posts from before.

How do you reconcile these verses??:

Romans 6:23 Eternal life IN Christ Jesus. No Christ, no salvation.
John 15:6 Anyone not abiding in Christ is thrown away as a dead branch.
Revelation 3:1-3 Strengthen what remains and is about to die.
Hebrews 10:39 Some shrink back and are destroyed.
1 Corinthians 9:27 Even Paul disciplined himself so as not to be disqualified.

There are so many more about falling away, enduring, IFs, etc.



I don’t have the time to straighten out BOTH you and the “ other” Grace Rejector , Bueller....Why Don’t you guys merge together and make a new name and I can just Enlighten “ Two birds with One Stone”.....All Of this “ Willful Sinning” In my life is VERY Time-Consuming!

You accuse me of merely “ making comments” in lieu of providing Scripture when the Fact is , I just GAVE you one! Are you so Bible- Ignorant That you don’t recognize Romans 10:13? I could see why you would ignore it—- it’s The Atom Bomb for those who oppose OSAS .....You very likely do not possess “ Eyes to See” , but I’ll type it out one more time for you —— “ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL be Saved”......Why are you and Ferris so intent on wasting your time and trying to make God a liar?
 
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but OSAS can lead people that want to love God down a path to hell.



One will never “Love God” until they learn how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace....If you ain’t “ resting” you are “working” ....and your” work” has Nothing to do with Love ....it’s all Fear- Based....
 

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If you sin you cannot go to heaven....where do you think you are going to go? Can you read.....?

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2nd Peter 2:4-22
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds 9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

1st John:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

As a OSAS believer have you blacked these scriptures out in your Bible....? Do you explain them away in your head? Do you have a special cherry picker Bible that saves you the trouble of ignoring the Word of God?



All one has to do is to read them and study them and one will see that ALL of these verses are either “Taken Out Of Context” or are verses not being addressed to Believers....Especially Heb 10.....People make the entire Bible revolve around One “ scary” verse that, when “RIGHTLY DIVIDED” , is so easy to understand, a five year old could figure it out....
 

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We are saved IF we are IN Jesus.
If not, we are not saved.



We are “ IN CHRIST” when Christ is in “ US”.....Christ is formed in your heart by Faith....
 

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....sin all you want.


I do....so do you...so does everybody....the thing to do is to get your “ wants” changed....of course, that is part of the “ Born Again” experience—— an “ experience” foreign to you....
 

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And God is faithful to complete the salvation of a real born again believer.
God does this for you, not you.
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Philippians 1:6
And the exhortation of the Bible is to LET him do that.
And IF we do that we will remain in the Son the Father and the promise of eternal life:

"24 ...LET what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life." 1 John 2:24-25
 

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you dont understand what it means to be "Born again".
Being born again is beyond..... "sin and unbelief".
Your description of being born again is far different than the Bible's:

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning..." 1 John 3:9

In fact, your description of the sinning, unbelieving 'born again' person is what the Bible calls a child of the devil:

"8The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:8
 
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So, imagine a theological christian pretender, who reads...... Philippians 1:6 that Says God Himself is FAITHFUL to COMPLETE your Salvation, and then these Cross rejecting Grace hating fakirs pile up on my Threads ranting about .."no, i can lose it"...."i have more power then God's faithfulness to complete it".
If having faith is having more power than God's faithfulness, did I have more power than God's faithfulness when I first believed? Why is continuing to believe me trying to save myself in a works salvation gospel, but when I first started that very same believing it wasn't me trying to save myself in a works gospel?
 
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It's funny how believing in the blood of Christ is being a grace rejecter, but living unabashedly in sin and unbelief is not.


What’s funny is you lecturing me on the Blood Of Jesus .....for years I have Been one of the FEW that CONSTANTLY goes on and on about the Truth Of the Song , “Nothing But The Blood” , saying countless times to weak and confused “ Believers” that this Song has everything one needs to know to get Saved and STAY Saved....I have been the one that constantly and continually maintains that only TWO THINGS save us—- Christ’s Blood being #1 and Our FAITH in that Blood being #2.....You claim that you “ believe in the Blood”, and that’s fine, who doesn’t? Let me know when you are ready to proclaim “ Rightly” and “Biblically” That * NOTHING* but the Blood is the Way Of Salvation...As far as I can tell, you have not changed a whit since we started debating months, if not years ago....For you, it’s “ The Blood” , *PLUS* no “willful Sins” on your record when you die, ( probably NO SINS on your record when you die because The Blood does not cover your Unrepented Sins) and your doctrine would say that Works don’t save , but you have to have them to “Prove” that you are Saved—- it's the “ back- loading” of Works , essentially saying that Works gotta Be there in Addition to the Blood....as I say, let me know if you ever actually BELIEVE the song that you and your fellow Religionists sing Sunday after Sunday...

To respond to the second part of your post....Any Believer That May have theoretically “ believed” for merely one second has qualified as one that is “ Already Saved” and shall “ never come under Condemnation” ( I say ‘ theoretically’ , because that person does not exist in reality— I am merely making a point)....Those Believers That live in “ unabashed sin” or make a very serious ‘ Stumble’ into Unbelief” are going to be chastised .....I personally believe that the latter will be brought back to belief before he dies ....if not, his sin , like ALL the sins of a person that has Been a Believer at one time in his life, is covered by Grace......By contrast, a man that has not been a Believer for one second in his lifetime is Lost.....No Grace for the 100% lifetime Unbeliever....
 
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Your description of being born again is far different than the Bible's:

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning..." 1 John 3:9

In fact, your description of the sinning, unbelieving 'born again' person is what the Bible calls a child of the devil:

"8The one who practices sin is of the devil..." 1 John 3:8



Verse 9 is a statement of fact...it’s a Promise—- not a threat
Verse 8 is also a statement of fact—- to be Of the devil is to Act like the devil, with his spirit of Rebellion —- it will get you Chastised—- NOT Condemned...
 

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Verse 9 is a statement of fact...it’s a Promise—- not a threat
Why isn't 1 John 2:24-25 also a promise then?

You're really just avoiding the whole point. Born again people don't fall away into sin and unbelief. John says so. So to do that you'd have to 1) have never believed and never been born again, or 2) stopped believing and ceased to be born again, because John makes it clear that born again people don't act and think the way you insist born again people can. This is the point you are completely avoiding. You have saved born again people acting the very way John says saved born again people don't act!
 

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For you, it’s “ The Blood” , *PLUS* no “willful Sins” on your record when you die, ( probably NO SINS on your record when you die because The Blood does not cover your Unrepented Sins)
See, your problem is you don't listen. You just steamroll right over everyone's post to blather about your own beliefs without taking the time to thoughtfully listen to what anyone else is saying.

I know you won't listen, again, but here it is again: Willful sin is UNBELIEF. Believing people are in a battle with sin, not comfortably swinging in a hammock on it's back porch like you say true grace people are doing. It's the unbelief that causes the Christ rejecting willfully sinning person to be condemned by their sins! To this day you can't hear a word I just wrote and you'll just continue to say I'm saying the believer's unrepentant sin itself condemns them. Unbelief causes the once believing person to be condemned by their unrepentant sins.
 
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