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Ferris Bueller
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You don't seem to realize that if 1 John 2:24-25 is talking about people who never believed then that means the person who falls away was never saved to begin with, which obliterates your theology that says fallen believers are still saved. Think these things through before you post, lol.
Here is an unbeliever.. John 3:36
Now, Here is a born again. = "The righteousness of God in Christ"..."Made righteous".... A Saint.. A Heir of God..... A Joint Heir with Jesus.... Having eternal life.
So, you have no idea about any of this., Grailhunter.
What are you a JW? as you are certainly not any part of mainline Protestant Theology.
He's just showing you that you dont understand what it means to be "Born again".
If you understood this, then you'd be ashamed, to even be on my Thread.
Thats a fact.
But because you are spiritually ignorant, regarding your bizarre "here is my one verse, circular Theological mindset", you just keep denying that Cross.
Being born again is the end result regarding Why God sent Christ to the Cross.
Jesus said "you must be born again", or you're damned already and are just waiting for the end result after you die.
Those early Believers That never denied their Faith as they watched their children being eaten by lions....who do you think gave them the Strength and Courage to hang on “ Firmly?” ......What God demands , God supplies.....
It’s God that made the Promise to Save “ Anybody that Asks”..... The Onus is on Him— NOT us....Is there ANYTHING out there that MUST be done to get Saved ? It’s up to HIM to see that it gets done. Is there ANYTHING out there that MUST be avoided, lest it send you to Hell? It’s up to HIM to see that it does not happen...GOD made the Promise— Not me.....I REST in the FACT that God ALWAYS makes good on His Promises .....it takes Faith .....don't you have any?
Ferris Bueller
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Then why do you say there are believers who fall away into unbelief? You know, the ones you insist are still saved despite them not believing and trusting in Christ anymore. That doesn't jibe with what you say above.
Ferris Bueller
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So why are there believers who fall away into unbelief in your theology then? All along you've been defending the believer who doesn't hold firmly and that they are still saved despite not believing anymore.
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Ferris Bueller
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And so we have to ask why you've been saying there are believers who fall away into unbelief (but who are saved despite their unbelief). Surely falling away into unbelief is not the 'holding firmly' you say Jesus will make sure doesn't happen, but which contradicts everything you've been saying about believers who fall away.
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Ferris Bueller
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I understand exactly what it means to be born again. And it doesn't mean living in sin and unbelief.
"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9
But you say, "No, John, you're wrong. You don't understand what it means to be born again." You and 'your' thread are a complete joke.
@GodsGrace Here's a good, Scriptural hymn from A. Toplady:
"1. A debtor to mercy alone,
Of covenant mercy I sing;
Nor fear, with Thy righteousness on,
My person and offering to bring.
The terrors of law and of God
With me can have nothing to do;
My Savior's obedience and blood
Hide all my transgressions from view
2. The work which His goodness began,
The arm of His strength will complete;
His promise is yea and amen,
And never was forfeited yet.
Things future, nor things that are now,
Not all things below nor above
Can make Him His purpose forego,
Or sever my soul from His love.
3. My name from the palms of His hands
Eternity will not erase;
Impressed on His heart it remains
In marks of indelible grace.
Yes, I to the end shall endure,
As sure as the earnest is given
More happy, but not more secure,
The glorified spirits in heaven."
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1.6).
Grailhunter
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You so funny!
The Bible is all about believers and unbelievers and righteousness and saints and all that good stuff....
But the topic you want to be there, is not there. To be born again or not to be born again....is there an in between?.....if a person believes and repents and is baptised.....is there a chance that they are not born again?....how do they know one way or the other.? Is it sinning? How much sinning and then how do they know how much sinning?....so then how do you get born again......again!? Where is this information about born again....again in the Bible?. Well it is not there, you are just making it up as you go.
The phrase Born Again appears three times in the Bible with no real detail....and that fact is Protestant denominations do not agree on what it is or what it means.
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Do you own a bible?
It does not sound like your "church" uses one., as you are such a BLANK, regarding "born again.
See, to offer this to the world, the WAY to become BORN AGAIN, is the main reason Jesus died on the Cross.
If you are not born again, you are not a Son/Daughter of God.
You can mock it, but if you die without this spiritual birth, there is no 2nd Chance.
No one is born again in Hell, Grailhunter.
Jesus in John 3 told you that you must be born again.
Not by water, but by the Holy Spirit.
Also,
There is no in between. or Limbo situation.
Everyone on this earth is born again, or they are an unbeliever.
There are no born again in Hell.
There are no unbelievers, (never born again), in Heaven.
And being born again, is not a "guess".
Being born again is beyond..... "sin and unbelief".
You dont understand this, and that is why you are trying to keep yourself saved, (LEGALISM).. and have no faith in Christ to keep you saved.
About 60 posts ago i explained to you that "what is not of faith is sin".
So, .. .if you are born again....and you stopped believing, as a Son of God, then you could consider that a sin.
Well, all sin has been paid for by Christ, already, including that one.
This is why Romans 4:8, is in the New Testament.
Now, where is your sin?.... yours. ?
= Your sin is to have replaced faith in Christ, with faith in "holding unto my faith".
And like if told you.
Faith didnt die on the Cross for you.
Faith does not save you.
God saves you THROUGH your faith.....ONE TIME ONLY>....and you remain, in this "New Creation" "In Christ".......as that your Eternal Life.
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Grailhunter
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I have plenty of Bibles but you do not need one, because you are making it up as you go.
This would be accurate statement, as most believe, but again you are adding things to it.
The statement that born again Christians cannot end up hell, is not stated word for word.
But on the other hand Christians are warned over and over and over again how sins can send them to hell.
Again where is the indicator? How does a person know?
I do believe that anyone that sincerely believes in Christ and repents and is baptized and is infilled with the Holy Spirit and thus is born again.
And then through their lives they can develop a sinful lifestyle and be judged to hell.
This is the difference between mainstream Christianity and the OSAS people and without question OSAS is a serious heresy and a lie.
This would be accurate statement, as most believe, but again you are adding things to it.
The statement that born again Christians cannot end up hell, is not stated word for word.
But on the other hand Christians are warned over and over and over again how sins can send them to hell.
Again where is the indicator? How does a person know?
I do believe that anyone that sincerely believes in Christ and repents and is baptized and is infilled with the Holy Spirit and thus is born again.
And then through their lives they can develop a sinful lifestyle and be judged to hell.
This is the difference between mainstream Christianity and the OSAS people and without question OSAS is a serious heresy and a lie.
You are not anywhere near "mainstream christianity", as this is strictly related to Paul, and you are definitely not of that persuasion, Grailhunter.
Ive shown you clearly, that Jesus said you must be born again.
You dont like that, and thats not my prob.
Also, I dont "make things up".. .Im strictly Pauline Theology.
WikIpedia this term, so that you can find out what that means, and then you pretend you "always knew what that means".
And, "OSAS"< is a claim made by deceivers who do not understand the Grace of God or the Blood Atonement.
You are of that particular deception, similar to Ferris Bueller, who believe they have more power to lose salvation, then God has to be faithful to complete it.
So, imagine a theological christian pretender, who reads...... Philippians 1:6 that Says God Himself is FAITHFUL to COMPLETE your Salvation, and then these Cross rejecting Grace hating fakirs pile up on my Threads ranting about .."no, i can lose it"...."i have more power then God's faithfulness to complete it".
Instead of making a comment, how about posting some verses
OR
even better...
How about answering my question as to how to reconcile the following verses with YOUR own personal belief system?
Here they are again from post 814:
The NT teaches that salvation can be forfeited.
I posted some verses in my other posts from before.
How do you reconcile these verses??:
Romans 6:23 Eternal life IN Christ Jesus. No Christ, no salvation.
John 15:6 Anyone not abiding in Christ is thrown away as a dead branch.
Revelation 3:1-3 Strengthen what remains and is about to die.
Hebrews 10:39 Some shrink back and are destroyed.
1 Corinthians 9:27 Even Paul disciplined himself so as not to be disqualified.
There are so many more about falling away, enduring, IFs, etc.
Why do you start these threads if you don't care for the "piler uppers"?
OSAS is a deceptive doctrine made up fifteen hundred years after Jesus ascended to heaven.
Jesus never mentioned this idea.
Paul never mentioned this idea.
I dont mentioned the Idea of OSAS,.
Heretics all bring this up, as for them, it likes a bone to a dog.
Jesus did say that you have eternal life if you are born again, and eternal life is not temporary.
Jesus did say you will "never Perish".
Jesus did say that no one can take the born again away from Him, and that includes the born again themselves.
Also, if Heretics didnt find my Threads like black bugs to a Light, i would not be doing my Job here, as a servant of Father God.
Listen.
If heretics agreed with me, then that would be exactly wrong for them.
I use Heretics,.
How?
= On my Threads and often in my posts....Heretics show the literal contrast between the Gift of God and their self saving self righteousness.
See, i post about Christ on the Cross, and Heretics Post about themselves on the Cross. "keeping myself saved, if im good, do this, and dont do that"...
What does this accomplish for 40 pages of Thread's like this one?
Its for the people who are not Heretics to see the distinction, and be able to recognize people like you.
And its for the new Christian, most of all.....who find this place...... so that they can see the contrast between me giving credit to Christ and people like you and Ferris Bueller who want to deny that Christ Keeps you saved, and teach that the blood of Jesus is only as good as your behavior.
So, because people like you do this constantly on my Threads, real believers, not faith corrupted, can protect themselves by learning how to spot people like you and Ferris Bueller, and Gen2Rev, and Grailhunter, and Robert N..... and a few others here whose only reason to be on a Christian forum is to try to ruin the faith of a Real Believer., as you have nothing else to say, most of the time.
Lets look at you as more of the example.
You post symbolic verses, and try to teach they are literal.. like the 'branch'.
You post a verse about "abiding", because you dont understand what it means to be "ONE WITH GOD", "in Christ"., ALREADY.
You post a verse bout turning back or shrinking back, from some obscure new bible, and think that this means "lost your salvation", which is your obsession.
You post a verse about Paul, and i think its the "cast away" verse, and you have no idea what this is talking about. But because you are a person that would throw your own children away, according to your own words, if they dont perform according to your odd mindset, you always think that God is just like you.
Here is an update. He's not anything like you.
He's Just like Jesus, and Jesus told us that "I will never leave you".........and how can He..... when Christ in INSIDE THE BORN AGAIN.
AND THAT IS one more situation you have no idea about, GodsGrace.
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