Eph 2:8

[mailmandan]

eph 2:8

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

quote “not of yourselves”

so it can’t be you’re faith!

1 Peter 1:9 - receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. Salvation is "not of ourselves." Ephesians 2:8 (AMPC) - For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God.

 

[mailmandan]

There is no way to convince theefaith of the truth of the Bible. No matter how many times he is shown what Scripture clearly says he will respond with Catholic doctrine. It is useless to explain to him what the Bible says.

He will never depart from the myths of Catholicism.

Truly sad. Prior to my conversion, I was raised in the Roman Catholic church so I understand what a strong hold it has on many of it's members.

 

[Lambano]

Hello @Lambano,

Yes, I agree absolutely.
Thank God for giving you clarity.

In Christ Jesus
Chris :)

Thank you, Chris, though I can't take credit. It was pointed out in a book I was reading concerning the eternal war between the followers of John Calvin and the followers of Jacob Arminius. The former often misuse this verse because the meaning gets lost in almost all English translations. The irony is that Brother Theefaith (and I do consider him my brother in Christ, though he does not consider me his), our brother makes the same mistake, though he could in no way be considered a follower of John Calvin.

 

[mailmandan]

In light of the immediate context of John 6:28, Then said they unto him, "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?" I have to conclude that "works of God" as used in John 6:29, Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" means "that which God requires of us". Don't get hung up on the faith/works dichotomy that will historically get introduced 1,500 years later.

Good point about John 6:29. I understand John 6:29 as a play on words by Jesus when he said, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent," when He answered the Jews (who were taking a legalistic approach) when they asked, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus was simply saying, this is what God requires/that you believe in Him..

So of course, Jesus was not saying that believing is just "another work" in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works, which would contradict Ephesians 2:8,9 - "..saved through faith, not works."

 

[Robert Gwin]

so it does not refer to our faith today?

Yes sir it does, although that was written to the anointed in Ephesus, it applies to all of the anointed. The Bible assures us that at the time of Jesus' return there would still be holy ones existing who would then meet him in the air 1 Thes 4:17

I am sorry if I led you to believe otherwise sir.

 

[Davy]

that’s what it says!

so it refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ in which Mary ever virgin mother of God believed for us and obtained all graces for us!

Sorry, I DO NOT DO MARY WORSHIP, which to worship anyone besides The Father and The Son is an abomination.

 

[Jim B]

refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ and believed by Mary for us, and received the grace of salvation for us!

This is unScriptural lunacy!

 

[Jim B]

yahoo everyone is saved!

Potentially, yes. All one has to do is accept God's gift of redemption with faith. No works necessary, including baptism.

 

[Davy]

the saved part happened two thousand years ago, so you had faith 2000 years ago?

None of us believers living today are 'saved' yet, we only have the PROMISE of being saved by Jesus at His future coming.

The 'are you saved' question belongs to those of men's doctrines who think once you believe on Jesus, then you have no more future sins to repent and ask Him forgiveness for, i.e., like the false OSAS movement of men.

 

[Jim B]

None of us believers living today are 'saved' yet, we only have the PROMISE of being saved by Jesus at His future coming.

The 'are you saved' question belongs to those of men's doctrines who think once you believe on Jesus, then you have no more future sins to repent and ask Him forgiveness for, i.e., like the false OSAS movement of men.

Ephesians 2:8 (the OP subject) clearly says, "For by grace you are saved (present tense) through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Those of us who believe in Christ's atoning sacrifice are saved.

John 3:16-18, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes [present tense] in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes [present tense] in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

You are clearly distorting the doctrine of salvation, conflating it with repentance, to put forth false doctrine. The fact is that all sins have been forgiven by Christ's sacrifice. If you don't believe that, you're not a Christian.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

but it says not you’re faith!

not of yourselves!

REad the post of mine you responded to! This time with your eyes open for a change!!!!!!!

 

[Jim B]

I have serious doubts about theefaith's sanity.

Clearly, a) he doesn't believe what the Bible actually says, and b) all his Biblical quotes appear to come from the King James version (or at least they're in olde Englyshe), yet his posts show him to be semi-literate (or very careless).

example: "but it says not you’re faith!" you're faith, not your faith.

There are other errors, but I'm too lazy to scroll back through all his posts. It's just something I've noticed. Why does someone who is only fairly literate (or a best careless) try to use a Bible written in archaic Englyshe?

 

[Behold]

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Your verse is Paul teaching that SALVATiON is the GIFT...........not the Faith.
And that God gives this GIFT........through your faith.

 

[Davy]

Ephesians 2:8 (the OP subject) clearly says, "For by grace you are saved (present tense) through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Those of us who believe in Christ's atoning sacrifice are saved.

So... you ALREADY are walking on earth today in your glorious body of the future that is ONLY revealed on the day of Christ's future coming?

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
KJV

Are you not aware that "sons of God" label is a pointer to that future glorious body that we will manifest when Jesus returns?

 

[Jim B]

So... you ALREADY are walking on earth today in your glorious body of the future that is ONLY revealed on the day of Christ's future coming?

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
KJV

Are you not aware that "sons of God" label is a pointer to that future glorious body that we will manifest when Jesus returns?

As usual you misinterpret Scripture.

1 John 3:2, " Beloved, we are God’s children now [present tense]; what we will be [future tense] has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is.

We are God's children now, not in the future. We will have a different body, but the fact remains that we are right now His children.

 

[theefaith]

Sorry, I DO NOT DO MARY WORSHIP, which to worship anyone besides The Father and The Son is an abomination.

When did I say to worship Mary?

 

[theefaith]

This is unScriptural lunacy!

savior Lk 1:10:11
Mary believed Lk 1:45

 

[theefaith]

Potentially, yes. All one has to do is accept God's gift of redemption with faith. No works necessary, including baptism.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism

 

[Jim B]

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mk 16:16 faith and baptism

Why must you continually distort God's word? "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16:16

If you pay attention, this says that baptism will not keep you from being condemned. If you don't believe, you are condemned! Baptism will not save you!

 

[Jim B]

savior Lk 1:10:11
Mary believed Lk 1:45

Nonsense (again).

Luke 1:10-11, "And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 1:45, "Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!” Said by Elizabeth.