What if you lose your faith?

[MatthewG]

Hebrews 3:12 Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God.

This clears any thing doing with Once saved always saved kicking it in the teeth.

Why the hell would the author of hebrews mention this if it was not a true statement?

 

[Behold]

Listen you can believe what ever you want however once saved always saved is not true.

The only way a believer could stop being born again......is if they have more power and authority then God and the Blood of Jesus.
Literally.....they would have to have more power to undo, God's Spiritual Birth, then God has the power, though the Blood of Jesus and Death of Christ to maintain the "New Birth" (Born again).

And you know what kind of pride you would have to have, to believe you are that one?
Ask Ferris Bueller, as he is on this forum for years declaring that He has the ability, the power, to UNDO GOD's Salvation, that is God's power to Keep, regarding the born again.
Philippians 1:5

You dont want to be that one, who teaches that Cross rejecting heresy in public, as "God is not mocked".
Believe it.

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry buddy, that is okay though.

I can stop being part of the Kingdom of God by simply no longer praying to God, no longer giving him thanks, no longer reading the scriptures, and live totally and completely in my flesh if I desire so.

God gave us the ability to choose and that is the part I believe you are missing brother. You choose to have faith and trust God, or you do not.

Like the scripture said before: Hebrews 3:12 Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God.

And I believe the only reason one may defend "Once saved always saved" is because that is the easier road to choose rather than the hard work of the narrow road of faith, which causes a person to be of faith, humble, patience, kind, forgiving towards others who have done them wrong, admitting ones faults to God in thankfulness of what He has done for all human beings in the world because of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Praying and growing from a child of God into a Son of Daughter of God.

So if there is no choice to choose faith, then everyone is just elected and that leaves no room to choose at all, and that is all "Bullsh%%", it is sad to hear people say that "ONLY THOSE WHO ARE ELECTED ARE Chosen".

When in reality God is calling all people to come to his son, and they have to make a the choice of believe or not to believe.

Anyway you can choose and decide how you are going to believe as it doesn't effect me on my stances already presented to you which may cause you to be troubled by what is being said.

God bless... Nothing has really changed since the days of Jesus walking around. All of still make choices, whether we forgive others for what they done to us, and place faith in Jesus.

 

[Behold]

Sorry buddy, that is okay though.

I can stop being part of the Kingdom of God by simply no longer praying to God,

Do you have a longer list of WORKS you would like to post to show us what you are trying to do, to save yourself and keep yourself saved?

Only a Legalist will post such a self righteous list of : "what i have to do, to go to heaven" and think they "have faith".
God does not accept your list, as He only Accept's Christ on the Cross, to deal with your sin.
So, There is no faith in Christ in that list of self effort you posted, so, dont lie to yourself anymore., MatthewG.
We see you.

 

[MatthewG]

God has seen what I have done. We have been in a relationship.

He is my judge. Jesus is the righteousness of God whom I put my faith in.


Take care @Behold.

 

[MatthewG]

Doesnt make sense how people believe they can have a relationship with God without praying, giving thanks to God, seek him out by reading scriptures, and increasing ones faith in trusting in a Good God who hears your prayers and helps us by the holy spirit according to Jesus.

To each their own I guess. Works of love are part of the relationship -> Love towards God first, and Love towards others.

 

[Behold]

God has seen what I have done. We have been in a relationship.

He is my judge. Jesus is the righteousness of God whom I put my faith in.

@Behold.

MatthewG,


Jesus is not your Judge. He's Your Savior and Lord, if you are born again, and not just water baptized, falsely thinking you are saved.

God is not your Judge.. He's your Father, (abba) if you are born again, and not just water baptized, falsely thinking you are saved.

What is your Judge, eternally?

Can be this..

John 3:36

And is this...

Matthew 12:36


later,

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[MatthewG]

Bye I will die one day and be judged... do not care if you believe differently.

Love you bud! Take care.

 

[Behold]

Bye I will die one day and be judged... do not care if you believe differently.

Love you bud! Take care.

God has already judged Jesus for all your sins.. ...

"the Gift of Salvation"..

You are FORGIVEN...


love you also,

Shalom

 

[MatthewG]

I thought that is what you would say - My Judgment was taken at the Cross.

That is not so in my view, sure he paid for the price of sin for all of us, however there are rewards for a Christian coming when you pass away, and God judges what you have done good or bad. Right? (this has nothing to do with being legalistic).

@Behold what does the end look like to you, and what I mean by that is what do you believe is going to happen when you personally pass away?

I can share with you my own if you desire as well.

 

[Behold]

I thought that is what you would say - My Judgment was taken at the Cross.

That is not so in my view, sure he paid for the price of sin for all of us, however there are rewards for a Christian coming when you pass away, and God judges what you have done good or bad. Right? (this has nothing to do with being legalistic).
@Behold what does the end look like to you, and what I mean by that is what do you believe is going to happen when you personally pass away?
I can share with you my own if you desire as well.

The only thing that God "Judges" a human for, in eternity, after they die.... is "Christ rejection".
This is the unpardonable sin, as God can't use the blood of Jesus and the Death of Christ , this sacrifice for your sin... to save you if you reject the Cross, and the sacrifice of Christ.

See : = Hebrews 10:26...as Paul is preaching Jesus, to Christ rejecting Hebrews, and they are basically spitting at Paul's "Gospel of the Grace of God".
See := Acts 28....the last 10 verses....>Paul is doing it again, and these HEBREWS are again, "trodding underfoot the son of God".. "willfully sinning". "crucifying Christ afresh", as that is what happens when you REJECT CHRIST.


The Bema Seat, (judgement seat of Christ) is not where you are judged for Sin, as Jesus has already taken that Judgement on the Cross.. And so, your sin has been taken care of on the CROSS for you by Jesus's CROSS, 2000 yrs ago, and this FORGIVENESS for your sin, that HE DIED TO GIVE YOU is applied to you as "the gift of Salvation" when you believe in Jesus.
"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".
"As many as received Jesus by faith, believing, God gives them the power to become a Son of God". = Born again as a "new Creation In Christ"...= now having Eternal Life, as Jesus who IS Eternal life now lives in all the Born again.

UNBelievers meet God as JUDGE

The BORN AGAIN, meet God as FATHER, and Christ as Savior and Lord.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus doesn't, as He told YOU< that 'all those who believe in me, i give unto them Eternal Life, and they shall NEVER PERISH".

What does "NEVER" "Perish" mean?

What does "whoever believes" mean in this passage?

"24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

"28I give them eternal life, and they (those who are believing) will never perish." John 10:28​

It means people who are presently believing ('believes' is in the present tense). That's the part you are ignoring. The promise is for presently believing people, not people who stopped believing (assuming that's possible), or who never believed. Your theology ignores the fact that the promise is for present tense believers, not people who believed in the past but who don't now, or who never believed.

 

[MatthewG]

Growing a plant takes time.

Yes I agree with the born again experience which you mention.

The thing is, is to continue to grow in your relationship with God.

I believe personally all people will have a judgement day - which is for both, those of faith and those of not faith. Those of faith dying receiving their reward as their judgement. Those of not faith, dying and receiving their spiritual body given by God.

I can't just reject that I wont be judged by God and looked deeply into my heart through my nakedness and all of my own choices be them of faith, or not of faith.

So though we see differently I love you the same.

Gonna get off here now brother you take care.

Its not always just about saying "Jesus Jesus Jesus"... Oh i said i believe in jesus one time when I was 6 years old and never thought about it again, still have struggles and never pray to God... I dont get these types of things anyway... take care.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you have a longer list of WORKS you would like to post to show us what you are trying to do, to save yourself and keep yourself saved?

No, pal, he's not making a list of things that make or keep you saved, lol. Those are the expressions of faith of a person who is choosing to let the word of the gospel remain in them in believing.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Would you think, it is possible for someone to be placed in a saved state who was not of the elect?
In the second example of the parable of the sower people heard the good news with joy, they went on their way, and then fell away from the faith

Paul is delivering his message to wheat and Tares.

Tares are receiving some sanctification by being in fellowship.

They may then leave completely as many did.

The elect are fully saved and sealed with the indwelling Fear of God against disowning Christ.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes, he's got the believer's unfaithfulness covered. What he does not cover is your denial of him in unbelief:

"if we deny Him, He will also deny us;13if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Timothy 2:12-13​

And there is the IF...

If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived.

But it is not - Hallelujah.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It's written to "you who believe in the name of the Son of God". It is for presently believing people ('believe' is in the present tense). They are the one's who may know that they have eternal life, not the person who has turned back to unbelief. As John himself says in the letter, the condition for having eternal life is that the word remain in you:

"23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life." 1 John 2:23-25​

Some will argue that the word will always remain in the believer (that is, they will always believe). Fine. But that doesn't change the condition for remaining in the Son, the Father, and the promise of eternal life. You must continue in your believing all the way to the end to be saved in the end:

"6 ...we are His (God's) house, if we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope of which we boast." Hebrews 3:6​

I think that your position makes salvation like Russian roulette.

Yes I am saved but I must live with a gun to my head.

My God wants for us to live in celebration of His goodness and be confident in Him.

He has done the ultimate work for us on the cross (which we could never do) so we move on to Love and good works which are not in themselves salvific. These works are associated with eternal reward and are all motivated by His Love.

 

[Carl Emerson]

They keep toying around with this OSAS stuff and they find themselves living less and less consecrated lives to the Lord. God warned Israel of complacency after coming into the Promised land.

I find the reverse is the case...

We do have some 'modern' churches peddling 'cheap grace' but there are also plenty who have not bought into this.

Careful not to paint them all based on the excesses of some.

Reverence for God is high where I fellowship and folks do not take their salvation lightly.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And there is the IF...

If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived.

But it is not - Hallelujah.

Which is another good reason to remain in the elect!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I think that your position makes salvation like Russian roulette.

Yes I am saved but I must live with a gun to my head.

But I took those passages right out of scripture. You're literally saying that's how you view scripture.