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Ferris Bueller
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I showed you what 'believing in vain' meant right from the passage. It doesn't mean 'unless you didn't really believe'. Why are you ignoring what the passage itself says 'believing in vain' means?
14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith.
17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:14-17
The vanity of their believing is if Christ has not really been raised from the dead. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
1 Corinthians 15:14-17
I'd only embrace you as a brother if you stopped trying to harm real believers by lying to them, which is to tell them that they can lose their Salvation.
So, when you stop denying the Cross of Christ as ETERNAL LIFE, and the Blood of Jesus as God's Gift that is not based on your keeping yourself saved, then sure.
Paul does not require me to embrace you as a brother, when in fact your word tries to deceive Christians into thinking that God does not keep them saved.
See, i dont pay attention to you and your one verse.
Its meaningless to me, as what has heresy to do with Truth.?
You are a SELF SAVOR, defined by yourself as one, as you believe that GOD DOES NOT KEEP YOU SAVED, and you have to do it by "holding unto faith".
This theology gives credit to YOU, for making sure you go to heaven, and that denies Christ the Credit.
So, why would i want to treat you like a brother, when you dont offer any fruit in your words, that would conclude that you are one?
Wake up.
Time to face it, Ferris Bueller
Ferris Bueller
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No, you hold on to the finished, everlasting ministry and sacrifice of Christ through your faith. You don't even understand the argument, lol.
"14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess." Hebrews 4:14
Ferris Bueller
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I know why you don't include me in being saved even though, in your eyes, I'm a believer who is in belief. You're saying I am what your own doctrine says I can't be because I'm a believer. You're not being true to your own teaching. Completely laughable.
Your 1st 3 verses say that we are to keep our faith from being weak, or dead.
But those 3 do not say that if you dont, you will lose your salvation.
And "castaway" is not the same as "going to hell".
So, you teach that these verses are saying what they are not saying, as that is your Legalism and Self Saving twisting verses to suit your Legalism.
The Last verse, 1 John..... talks about denying the Son.......and that is not backsliding into dead faith... that is DENYING the Son.
So, if you are born again you have already proved you have not denied The Son.
These have denied Jesus........ John 3:36
Ferris Bueller
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But why can't I be among the other precious believers who stopped believing? Your doctrine says I am among them despite my unbelief. But you're calling me a devil.
Why does my particular sin of unbelief exclude me from this amazing super-duper, hyper-extending grace that can go anywhere and do anything?
No you dont.
Its God who holds unto you, as Salvation is HIS to Give and once its applied, then HE has taken care of your sin and your Salvation
Philippians 1:6
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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Ive not said you are not born again.
But because i understand what this means, and because you never never talk about being born again, or The Cross, in the last 100 Posts, unless i point you out.....then i see no FRUIT in your words that would prove to God, that you are born again.
See, the Holy Spirit lifts up Jesus and Credits Jesus, and causes the born again to Praise the Lord for what He has done.
Your posts talk about you, you you you..."""what im doing.....im holding on.......look ae me me me, as i keep myself saved.""""
There is no JESUS in your mouth, No CROSS in your Theology, unless i point out that its missing, and then you'll post something about it, in the next post....obo.
So, my concern is not getting along with a self savor, my concern is highlighting you so that real believers can hear how you think and teach, so that they can spot others like you, and know how to hear HERESY.
Ferris Bueller
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Your thinking is so small. Of course Jesus can and will finish what he started. You certainly don't. But that won't happen if you bail out before he's done!
And if being born again is a done deal as you claim (in the context of how you say that), why is there still something Jesus has to finish???? I don't think you've thought this thing through very well, lol. It's done, but he's finishing it. You don't even know what that means.
Yes, we are to make our faith sure, and prove that we are in the faith...say's Paul
And JUDE, says we are to CONTEND for the REAL FAITH.
You, are not the real faith.
you are "im trying to stay saved, because i can lose it, if i dont keep it".
See that? That is not faith in Christ that you are teaching, so, that is not Real Faith.
You twist verses that say....>"hold unto your faith", and "make certain of it"......into.....>OR YOU WILL LOSE YOUR SALVATiON.
And the verses dont teach that LIE.
Thats a fact.
Ferris Bueller
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I didn't use the 'castaway' passage.
What is it about not being in Christ and the Father and the hope of eternal life that you do not understand, lol?
I can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
I'll do it again, for about the 10 time.
1 Cor 15:2, only teaches that holding unto your faith is to not have believed in Vain.... = not really born again.
1 John 2:24 teaches...the same........that the root of faith, which is to not have believed in vain.....but to have sincere faith, .. is to have been born again.
See, the END RESULT of not having vain faith, which is to have not truly believed, is to have no Salvation.....but the result of "making your election secure", is to have not "believed in Vain".........which is proven that you have not, when your "faith is counted as Righteousness".
And that is proven by being born again.
Ferris Bueller
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It plainly says the person who denies the Son doesn't have the Father. What gives you the audacity to say John is wrong about that? Paul says the same thing. If you deny the Son he will deny you:
"if we deny Him, He will also deny us;13if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Timothy 2:12-13
You're literally saying, "No, that's not true. You can deny the Son and he will not deny you!"
If you knew any NT, you would have recognized that 1 tim 1:19 "shipwreck concerning faith"....is "castaway"...they are parallel theology.
Now you've learned something else you can twist to suit your devout legalism.
Ferris Bueller
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Good grief, man! I showed you exactly what 'believing in vain' means right in the passage! Are you just going to turn a blind eye to it?! There's no interpretation needed. Paul plainly says what it means. Good grief, how can anyone take you seriously!
And the NT plainly says that "He that has the spirit IS a SON of GOD"
So, once you are a SON, then your MOUTH ,and your FAITH CRISIS, are meaningless, as you are already a SON OF GOD.
See it yet?
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