Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[theefaith]

The command is to baptize in the name of the son, which you can’t figure out

Yes the trinity father son and HS

 

[theefaith]

We have what is often termed ‘’the legalistic law’’ and the ‘’moral law’’ given at Sania. The legalistic laws were written in Leviticus.

Then you have what is known as the moral law/ten commandments.

In Jesus day, the Pharisees could faultlessly obey the legalistic law, they cleaned the outside of the cup. Paul himself said of his life as a Pharisee, that he faultlessly obeyed the legalistic law (Phil3:6 NIV 1984 edition) Therefore, when Paul relentlessly insisted you could have no righteousness of obeying the law, it had to be because of the moral law. He wrote:

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness 2Cor3:6-9

Paul is speaking in the above of the law engraved in stone, which was of course the Ten Commandments/the moral law. Paul explains himself in Romans:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,a]">[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

When Paul speaks of dying to the law, he means dying to righteousness of obeying the law(Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4) Then he makes a statement that when we were in our flesh, sinfull passions were aroused in us by the law. But by dying to what once bound us we are released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the written code.

So which law is Paul referring to in the above? Well it cannot be the legalistic law, for he stated he could perfectly obey it, so sinfull passions were not aroused in him by that law. He now continues on, giving an explanation as to why he had to die to righteousness of obeying the law/works of the law. He had a lot of commandments to choose from, however:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived(or sin consciousness sprang to life), and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Verses7-11



So, before Saul the Pharisee made his commitment to God at the age of 13 I believe for a young Jewish lad, he felt alive, for there was no condemnation from the law, he would I am sure have been a normal healthy kid. But then as a young teenager he made that commitment, and knew he must obey the law. He must have been raised strictly for he became an ardent Pharisee. Before him stood the law, and the pinnacle of it was the ten commandments. These commands must be obeyed if he was to attain to Heaven and avoid hell.

So, knowing what those laws demanded he is faced with ‘’thou shalt not covet’’ Thou shalt not desire what is not yours to desire, though shalt not lust, thou shalt not have impure thoughts. Now imagine, what would happen if a young teenager was petrified of breaking the ten commandments as this could send them to hell? They must not lust, they must not have impure thoughts. Probably be afraid of them coming. It won’t be long before they are going to end up consummed by what they are afraid of, that’s human nature where the inside is concerned. I mean, if I said God would send you to hell if you thought of a pink rabbit, what is the first thought that would come into your head if you believed me? Thus, through the commandment thou shalt not covet all manner of concupiscence was aroused in Saul and he started to die/feel condemned. He wasn’t feeling so alive now. The commandment that was ordained to life, if he obeyed it, instead brought death/condemnation for he could not keep it. Hence verse 5 explained. Sinfull passions are aoused in us by the law if we live under it. NOT the legalistic law, for you could live under that and perfectly obey it, but rather the moral law

Of course, that only happened to Saul because he feared condemnation by breaking the law, so what happens if you remove the condemnation?

For sin/.breaking the law shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law/righteousness of obeying the law but under grace/righteousness of faith in Christ Romans 6:14
Hence Paul's core message was:
Die to righteousness of obeying the law and sin shall not be your master. And Paul could testify to the truth of it

he means now we have grace to obey

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

speaking to adult Christians

1 cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[stephen64]

he means now we have grace to obey

We have the Holy Spirit, and by not being under righteousness of obeying the law-including the ten commandments, but under grace, the power of sin has been removed from us, for:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

 

[Jim B]

We have the Holy Spirit, and by not being under righteousness of obeying the law-including the ten commandments, but under grace, the power of sin has been removed from us, for:
The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

I have come to the conclusion that a) theefaith is a troll and/or b) he is not a rational human being.

I have shown him time and time again how the Bible clearly refutes his madness, yet he goes on and on and on.

 

[theefaith]

Do you have some Catholic software that spews out all these irrelevant, out-of-context verses? If not, I have a suggestion: get a life!

I have my notes! I can’t remember everything

I got a life when I was baptized at 16 days old eph 2

1. Hebrews 10:22
   Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[stephen64]

I have come to the conclusion that a) theefaith is a troll and/or b) he is not a rational human being.

I have shown him time and time again how the Bible clearly refutes his madness, yet he goes on and on and on.

Do you think he realises that if he stumbles at just one point concerning the law, he is guilty of breaking all of it? James2:10

 

[Jim B]

Do you think he realises that if he stumbles at just one point concerning the law, he is guilty of breaking all of it? James2:10

He believes just what his priests tell him. He is nothing more than a human parrot.

No matter how many times you or I show him what the Bible clearly says, he posts more and more unScriptural nonsense.

 

[theefaith]

The chief reason Paul kept stressing you can have no righteousness of obeying the law was BECAUSE of the ten commandments. Has your church not taught you that? I thought you believed they were the arbiters of truth?

christians are not ordinary people performing works but members of Christ in grace have the power of the risen Lord in the spirit!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

 

[Jim B]

I have my notes! I can’t remember everything

I got a life when I was baptized at 16 days old eph 2

1. Hebrews 10:22
   Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

I got a life twice: when I was "born of water" when my mother gave birth to me and again in 1977 when I was healed by Christ and was given the Holy Spirit.

If you really think that you got a life when you were baptized at 16 days old, you are under a delusion of the devil. You would be a super human if you had "a true heart in full assurance of faith, having your heart sprinkled from an evil conscience' when you were 16 days old!

 

[stephen64]

christians are not ordinary people performing works but members of Christ in grace have the power of the risen Lord in the spirit!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

I have to say, from reading your posts, I am most grateful I do not belong to the rc church and have not been indoctrinated by it. As you fail to grasp the reason Paul kept stressing you can have no righteousness of obeying the law was primarily because of the ten commandments it is obvious you are not being led as you should be. Instead of believing that belief is a licence to sin, you should get with the message and see it as the basis of victory over sin

 

[theefaith]

The chief reason Paul kept stressing you can have no righteousness of obeying the law was BECAUSE of the ten commandments. Has your church not taught you that? I thought you believed they were the arbiters of truth?

The great error of faith alone is that you believe you are saved and under grace and that you ARE NOT subject to the Mosaic law, (and that’s correct) but also you are not subject to the moral law and DO NOT need to pray, fast, give alms, practice virtue, suffer for Christ, or be righteous, or keep the commandments, even the commandments of Jesus, or maintain any standard of morality!
It’s a gross misunderstanding of law and Grace!

 

[stephen64]

I got a life twice: when I was "born of water" when my mother gave birth to me and again in 1977 when I was healed by Christ and was given the Holy Spirit.

If you really think that you got a life when you were baptized at 16 days old, you are under a delusion of the devil. You would be a super human if you had "a true heart in full assurance of faith, having your heart sprinkled from an evil conscience' when you were 16 days old!

You do know you are guilty of breaking all of God's laws don't you? Unless you claim never to stumble concerning them James 2:10

 

[stephen64]

The great error of faith alone is that you believe you are saved and under grace and that you ARE NOT subject to the Mosaic law, (and that’s correct) but also you are not subject to the moral law and DO NOT need to pray, fast, give alms, practice virtue, suffer for Christ, or be righteous, or keep the commandments, even the commandments of Jesus, or maintain any standard of morality!
It’s a gross misunderstanding of law and Grace!

Oh my oh my, it is you my friend who have a gross misunderstanding of law and grace. If you remove righteousness of obeying the law you remove the power of sin, for, the power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56

Why can you not see that, I know because your church wont tell you its the truth. You would live a far more Godly life if you accepted it. And that is based on the core message of the person charged to be the chief exponent of the new covenant to the world

 

[Jim B]

You do know you are guilty of breaking all of God's laws don't you? Unless you claim never to stumble concerning them James 2:10

Even if I have broken all of God's laws -- which I dispute -- I am judged not guilty because the penalty has been in full by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:21-26, "But now apart from the law the righteousness of God (although it is attested by the law and the prophets) has been disclosed— namely, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. God publicly displayed him at his death as the mercy seat accessible through faith. This was to demonstrate his righteousness, because God in his forbearance had passed over the sins previously committed. This was also to demonstrate his righteousness in the present time, so that he would be just and the justifier of the one who lives because of Jesus’ faithfulness."

C'mon Stephen you know this.

 

[theefaith]

Is this what your priests have told you? If so, they (and you) are totally wrong.

I keep posting what Paul wrote over and over: "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God." Romans 7:4

And this: "But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code." Romans 7:6

Paul also wrote this to the church in Galatia: "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18

What is it about this that you can't (or won't) understand? If you are in Christ you are under grace, not under law!

What is your problem with accepting God's clear words about this? Why do you put yourself under the law? Do your Catholic priests tell you to do this?

Please answer the question! Don't parrot out-of-context, irrelevant verses over and over and over... For once be a human being and state your own thoughts!

we are in Christ and grace and under the law of love

but we still must keep the commandments and moral law of God!

the grace of God empowers us to be holy and righteous!

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace issufficient for thee: for my strength ismade perfect in weakness.

our lady and queen and spiritual mother obtains us graces to keep the commandments

rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[stephen64]

but we still must keep the commandments and moral law of God!

.

The moral law is in your heart and mind under the new covenant. To read your posts I wonder if you still have a law engraved on stone. What is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow. If only you could see, the licence to sin is then removed

 

[theefaith]

Their natural minds cannot discern the spiritual reality. And, they will only believe it if their church tells them its the truth

how can there be truth that is not revealed by God in Christ? Jude 1:3 and proposed by holy mother church for our belief? Matt 28:19

there is only one faith!
Eph 4:5

uou cannot read scripture and make up your own faith!

that’s spiritual anarchy!


Unity of faith can only have one arbiter of truth and the same faith!

Who is the arbiter of truth!

You can decide.
You can decide what is true.
You can decide what is truth.
You can decide right and wrong.

Not one of these are found in scripture!

Found in scripture!
Taught is found 79 times
Instructed is found 19
Instruction is found 33


Jn 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

Matt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

1 Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

 

[theefaith]

Matt 18:17 hear the truth from the church
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth.

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

The nature of spiritual pride is rebellion!
Spiritual pride must protest, and must be right!

Christ and His one true church cannot be right or my self-righteous personal interpretation base on spiritual pride and private judgement must be wrong, and that is unacceptable!

Truth must be revealed by God, and taught by the church, proposed for our belief, we must be instructed!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 Lk 10:16 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42

Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Truth matters! It is revealed by God and therefore CANNOT be changed!
The church likewise is founded by Christ and therefore CANNOT be reformed!

 

[stephen64]

how can there be truth that is not revealed by God in Christ? Jude 1:3 and proposed by holy mother church for our belief? Matt 28:19

If your church knew the truth, they would tell you, you have no righteousness of obeying the ten commandments and because the law has now been placed in your heart you in your heart want to obey it. Licence to sin removed. Great covenant, but your mother church is obviously failing to tell you that

 

[theefaith]

So why has your church not taught you when Paul states you can have no righteousness of obeying the law he includes the ten commandments in that

that refers to a person on their own or on their own power obeying the law

we are in Christ!
We are in grace!
We have faith!

Matt 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.