Ferris Bueller
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No! I'm the saying we should focus on whether or not we are really born again! The self delusion rests in taking comfort in a salvation you may or may not have because you think OSAS is true.
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And yet your only guarantee is IF you manage to complete your life without losing it.
Much love!
Apples and oranges.
You chose to trust in Christ, now you must keep choosing to trust in Christ, so that you will be saved at the end.
I chose to trust in Christ, and He saved me.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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I did, lol, and I'm in agreement with them and their application to our discussion. I was adding the reference which makes the point more directly by using the phrase 'born of God'. You know you are 'born of God' by the fact you don't, and can't, practice sin as you did when you were not born of God.
Right. Where does sin live in the child of God? Why is it that Christians still commit sins? Why do you think that wilfull lying - a faithless act - is any different from anything else faithless? These are sin, and come from the flesh, and this is what Jesus came to save us from, not leave us subject to.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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Show me in the Bible where it says I do not have to continue in believing to have the guarantee of salvation when Jesus comes back. Even the original OSAS says you have to be a believer all the way to the end of your life to be saved when Jesus comes back. It's the 'P' in TULIP.
Ferris Bueller
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Because one is from weakness or ignorance or foolishness, while the other is the result of an outright rejection of the blood of Christ.
He won't fail us, so we'd better keep believing so we aren't lost in the end!:
Some (believing in God's ETERNAL Salvation), serve Him out of "Much LOVE!"
Correct?
Others (believing in a temporary salvation), serve Him out of "much FEAR."
Do they not believe?:
2Ti_1:7 "For God Hath Not Given us the spirit of FEAR;
but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
What? He "fails"??? Only IF He does not "Know us," And He cannot KEEP but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
"What HE Has Promised" To "Those He Knows," Correct?:
Rom 8:29 "For whom He Did ForeKNOW, He Also Did Predestinate
To Be Conformed To The Image Of His SON, that He might be The
Firstborn among many brethren." (cp 2 Timothy 2:19 = "Knows His Own";
Matthew 7:21-23 = Never "knew them" that are not His!)
To Be Conformed To The Image Of His SON, that He might be The
Firstborn among many brethren." (cp 2 Timothy 2:19 = "Knows His Own";
Matthew 7:21-23 = Never "knew them" that are not His!)
How Long Has "He Known those who Are His Own Purchased Possession"?
Eph 1:4 "According As He Hath Chosen us In Him before the foundation of
the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him In Love:"
the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him In Love:"
And Again, IF "He Fails" Then He was "NEVER The Owner Of such," Correct?
And Thirdly Again, He "fails Miserably" if The Following
12 Dozen Plain And Clear Passages Are "NOT True," Correct?:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
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God's ETERNAL Assurance Of "HIS" Salvation!!
Thus, CHRIST Did Not "Die In Vain!" His BLOOD Is All-Sufficient!!
Amen?
I Certainly would give ETERNAL Thanks To HIM, And:
GRACE And Peace to you all...
Done that, many times. Again, the Bible tells us that those who are born again continue in faith. Those who are not have their faith shown to be a dead faith, some mental or emotional response, but not the reliance of trusting in Jesus.
If you are born again, you do not die again. Children of God will be like Christ when they see Him. If you were raised with Him you will appear with Him. On and on it goes. Christ is made unto you righteousness and sanctification, and on and on, our reconciliation is in Him, what He did, not what we do, and our recreation unites us to our Creator and God, Who does what He promised, gives to us eternal and everlasting life.
P - Perserverance of the saints.
Tulip: Perseverance of the Saints
This all speaks to the “P” in Calvinism’s acronym, TULIP, the "Perseverance of the Saints"; [5] and it is a blessed assurance. Because God is preserving and perfecting you, you will persevere unto the finish line into perfection. By God’s grace, Philippians 1:19-20 is your ongoing testimony![6]
TULIP - Perseverance of the Saints
By reason of these remains of indwelling sin, and the temptations of sin and of the world, those who are converted could not persevere in a state of grace if left to their own strength. But God is faithful, who having conferred grace, mercifully confirms and powerfully preserves them therein, even to the end. – THE CANONS OF DORT, “Fifth Head of Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints,” Article 3.1
What is TULIP in Calvinism?
Perseverance of the Saints – That we are so secure in Christ, that we cannot fall away. Jesus will not lose any who had been given to him by the Father (John 6:38-39); he gives eternal life to them so they will never perish (John 3:16; 10:27-28), and those who leave the faith were never believers to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Perseverance of the Saints - is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org
Perseverance of the saints is the name that is used to summarize what the Bible teaches about the eternal security of the believer. It answers the question, “Once a person is saved, can he lose his salvation?” Perseverance of the saints is the P in the acronym TULIP, which is commonly used to enumerate what are known as the five points of Calvinism. Because the term “perseverance of the saints” can cause people to have the wrong idea about what is meant, some people prefer to use terms like “preservation of the saints,” “eternal security,” or “held by God.” Each of these terms reveals some aspect of what the Bible teaches about the security of the believer. However, like any biblical doctrine, what is important is not the name assigned to the doctrine but how accurately it summarizes what the Bible teaches about that subject. No matter which name you use to refer to this important doctrine, a thorough study of the Bible will reveal that, when it is properly understood, it is an accurate description of what the Bible teaches.
That we will continue in our believing because we are His true children, or that we have to continue in our believing if we are going to continue to be His Children.
Much love!
Grailhunter, you should try to be honest.
Certainly, that you can't even know what bibles i use, and i dont worship a version., and you are the last to understand why makes a bible competent, and what makes another one true.
There is no such thing as OSAS.
This is a phrase created by a Cross Rejecting cultist.
You had these same in Paul's Day, and Jude talked about them.
You only have to have Christ in you to end up with Christ.
In fact, all the born again, are with him now, "in Christ".
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
Who rejects Christ? God's children? This is how we have such a different idea of what it means to be reborn. Very different, and very different ideas of what what it means to have a relationship with God.
Much love!
Ferris does not understand that Christ on the Cross 2000+ yrs ago is Salvation.
Jesus Is Salvation.
He sees it as..>"as long as i keep believing, then i keep saving myself".
Typical Legalist mentality who has built their salvation on themselves doing something.
True !
The blood of Jesus never fails to keep you as the righteousness of God, in Christ.
The same God who saved you, will keep you saved.
Philippians 1:6
Grailhunter
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Carl Emerson
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If... That is not assurance.
"It is the OSAS belief that is not sure about their salvation in the future because they can't even know for sure if they are saved today...
Really ??? Sorry but that claim doesn't seem to make any sense - how do you arrive at that conclusion?
Please forgive me if I am wrong but what you have written is totally misrepresenting the OSAS position.
Your position depends on maintaining belief.
My position depends on the finished work of Christ.
Carl Emerson
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The indwelling presence of the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord seals against rejecting Christ.
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