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[Triumph1300]

30,000 Protestant denominations

That's a new one I never heard before, lol. :-)
People sure post some crazy stuff on the forum lately.

 

[Grailhunter]

At the end of the day, it is the words of Jesus that will judge us if we do not receive them.

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48).

Jesus spoke everything that God the Father told Him to say.

John 12:49
“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.”

So the words of Jesus are God the Father’s words. If we don’t receive the words of Jesus (or the words of God) found in Scripture, those words will judge us on the last day.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16).
The Bible is the inspired words of God.

So logic dictates that God is going to hold us accountable to us knowing a particular one set meaning of what those words actually mean in the Bible.

So how can God guide us to know the truth in His Word?

John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

It is by having the Holy Spirit (Also see 1 John 2:27).
How do we know we have the Holy Spirit?

Acts of the Apostles 5:32
“And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.”

In the fact, that we obey God.

We are living in the end times apostasy or the falling away (2 Timothy 3:1-9).
Many in the churches today are justifying some sort of sin or a wrong belief that attacks God (described in the Bible). So they don’t all have the Spirit to discern the truth or be guided by the truth.

I know. I know. I said that the Bible is the sole guide for all matters of faith and practice. This is true.
But see… the Bible teaches us that we are to be cleansed by the washing of the water of the Word (Ephesians 5:26-27).
We are born again by the Word (1 Peter 1:23), which is the same milk of the Word we are to grow thereby (1 Peter 2:2).
Jesus said His words are spirit, and they are life (John 6:63).
In other words, you cannot separate God from the Bible.
They are forever linked together.
Jeremiah 23:29 says, “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”

Like in the Parable of the Sower: The words of God have to be received into the heart of a person in order for them to believe them, and for them to be changed by them.



The early Christians (the apostles) were the ground and pillar of truth because they wrote Scripture, but Christians today are not the standard of truth (because there is no more Scripture to write). God and the Bible are the two things (linked together) of which can open a person’s eyes to the truth on any particular topic taught in His Word. Like I said, God is going to judge men on whether they received the words of God or not. This is why we are to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed (2 Timothy 2:15).

I prefer the term, “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” and not “Sola Scriptura.”
We all need to be born again by not only the Spirit, but we need to be born again by water, too. The water is the Word of God. We need to receive the revelation from God that His Word alone (and not visions, dreams, etc.) is sufficient along with the working of God helping us to understand it. When we seek forgiveness of our past life of sins with Jesus and we make His Word the one and only authority for our life (along with the working of the Spirit), God will transform our heart, and minds to see the truth of His Word. Even then… learning the truth of His Word with the Spirit is a process that takes constant study, and prayer.

Find a denomination that does not pray for the Holy Spirit to guide them.....is it about how you hold your mouth....
Do you want name the denomination that has not received the Holy Spirit? Or are you the only one that has received the Holy Spirit?

That's a new one I never heard before, lol. :)
People sure post some crazy stuff on the forum lately.

Check it out...
When you do you will find that I am wrong.....about 15 years ago I did a hang count and came up with 30,000 denominations worldwide...I new then that there was more than that.....The count right now is over 50,000 denominations.

 

[Grailhunter]

So can you name the denominations that have received the Holy Spirit?
So can you name the denominations that have not received the Holy Spirit?
Are the one that decides?
Is there a popup indicator when you receive the Holy Spirit?

At the end of the day, it is the words of Jesus that will judge us if we do not receive them.

Finally you say something that is true.....we all will be judged....not that there will be a written exam....but the important point is that you are not the judge.

I gave you quite the list....no response? Not all Christians believe in slavery.
Not all Christians believe that men rule over women. Are these Christians?
Not all Christians believe that polygamy is wrong. Are these Christians?
Not all Christians believe the world is flat. Are these Christians?
Not all Christians believe that wedding ceremonies are not necessary. Are these Christians?
Not all Christians are pacifists. Are these Christians?
Not all Christians believe that the bread and wine ritual is necessary. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that do not even believe that Baptism is necessary for salvation. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that are not real fond of Paul. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that do not believe that God the Father is the creator God. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that believe that morality is not important....you believe in Christ and you can do whatever you want....once saved always saved....heaven full of evil. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that do not believe that Good Deeds are important or not necessary. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved....tongues being the event of receiving the Holy Spirit. Are these Christians?
There are Christians that believe that God denied mankind free-will. Are these Christians?

The early Christians (the apostles) were the ground and pillar of truth because they wrote Scripture, but Christians today are not the standard of truth (because there is no more Scripture to write).

Again thinking that God had nothing else to teach us....what is He doing, twiddling His thumbs? Have you tied Him up and gagged Him and forbid Him to speak? The Word of God comes out of God's mouth and He is still speaking. The Bible records the first 65 years of Christianity, there are 2000 years of Christianity.

I prefer the term, “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” and not “Sola Scriptura.”
We all need to be born again by not only the Spirit, but we need to be born again by water, too. The water is the Word of God. We need to receive the revelation from God that His Word alone (and not visions, dreams, etc.) is sufficient along with the working of God helping us to understand it. When we seek forgiveness of our past life of sins with Jesus and we make His Word the one and only authority for our life (along with the working of the Spirit), God will transform our heart, and minds to see the truth of His Word. Even then… learning the truth of His Word with the Spirit is a process that takes constant study, and prayer.

So are you saying most here are not born again? How many denominations do you think do not believe you need to be born again.

 

[Triumph1300]

.The count right now is over 50,000 denominations.

Would you mind please and quote your source.
I like to know where your source is in regards to these 50.000 Christian denominations.

 

[Enoch111]

I like to know where your source is in regards to these 50.000 Christian denominations.

If you knock off three zeroes, it is even less than 50. More like 20 (without breaking down all into sub-groups in order to inflate the numbers).

 

[Grailhunter]

Would you mind please and quote your source.
I like to know where your source is in regards to these 50.000 Christian denominations.

About 15 years ago I counted 30,000 denominations which came from a book that I got from Barnes and Noble. It was during a time when I was researching the fracturing of the church. I knew then the number was low, but I thought it was enough, because I figured there had to be some duplicates.

Of course you can get some tallies from the internet. More than one source there.

You can get started with the short list on Wikipedia and it will give you an idea of the size of the congregation.

List of Christian denominations by number of members - Wikipedia

 

[Grailhunter]

If you knock off three zeroes, it is even less than 50. More like 20 (without breaking down all into sub-groups in order to inflate the numbers).

Way off....

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So can you name the denominations that have received the Holy Spirit?
So can you name the denominations that have not received the Holy Spirit?
Are the one that decides?

Well, even if I did tried to answer these silly questions, that would be a full time endless job that I did not sign up for (that would take many years off of my life). So your questions are to make me run on some wild endless goose chase thinking there is no truth to really be found in God’s Word that is definitive when Jesus said that if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). In other words, the question you should ask yourself is: Why don’t you believe Jesus’ words in John 12:48?

Is there a popup indicator when you receive the Holy Spirit?

It’s called having the fruits of the Spirit like love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance (Galatians 5:22-23).

John says, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” (1 John 2:3). “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:4).

Finally you say something that is true.....we all will be judged....not that there will be a written exam....but the important point is that you are not the judge.

The problem with this line of thinking is that you are saying that no believer can judge what is right or good in God’s Word. But even you must hold to a certain set of beliefs in God’s Word that you think is true, and if somebody disagrees with that truth, they are outside your circle or outside of what you believe is correct. But yes. We are to judge righteously as Jesus says.

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24).

I gave you quite the list....no response? Not all Christians believe in slavery.

There is chattel slavery (Which is the form of slavery that most think about in what happened in the South of North America - which is wrong), and there is the kind of slavery in the Bible whereby men who gave themselves willingly to a master to work hard for them so as to pay off their debts (Which is not chattel slavery). Obviously chattel slavery held by Christians groups over the years at any point in history means their heart was not right with God because basic morality should tell them that such a concept is wrong; They simply buried their moral compass and or conscience in treating people like dirt. Jesus said for us to love our enemies. So Christians who were into chattel slavery simply are not real Christians. They did not know Christ because they did not love. So again, the issue here is a person justifying sin.

Not all Christians believe that men rule over women. Are these Christians?

Well, it depends on what you mean by rule over women. If you mean that that the man should be the head of the household, and yet they love their wife as Christ loved the church, I would agree that this is important part of being a true Christian. Generally, those churches who disagree with the man being the head of the household are liberal groups who do not have a high regard for God’s Word. If you are saying that the men rule over women as if they are some kind of task master (or slave) then this falls back into the previous answer I gave involving chattel slavery whereby a person treats another like dirt (When they should be loved and nourished, and treated kindly, etcetera).

Not all Christians believe that polygamy is wrong. Are these Christians?

They are not Christian if they believe polygamy is not wrong.
Christians are under a higher moral standard than that of the patriarchs, and God indirectly condemned it by the narratives of what happened to them later.

Acts of the Apostles 17:30
“Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.”

This is the best article on polygamy I have read condemning it.
Don't Do Polygamy - On the Polygamy of the Patriarchs and the Problems it Produces - Community in Mission

Believers are guided into all truth by the Spirit. This is a unique thing of the New Covenant because only kings and prophets had the guidance of the Spirit in the Old Testament.


(To be continued in my next post to you - Lord willing):

 

[Grailhunter]

So your questions are to make me run on some wild endless goose chase

That is part of your problem with understanding the Bible and Christianity....you think the truth is not worth it.

God’s Word that is definitive when Jesus said that if we do not receive His words,

Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. Your view of Christianity no further then the end of your nose.

It’s called having the fruits of the Spirit like love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance

I guess you never "got it!" Because you are vindictive.

The problem with this line of thinking is that you are saying that no believer can judge what is right or good in God’s Word.

No the Bible tells ya not to judge other....LOL...particularly by your measure. By the measure you judge....you will be judged.

But even you must hold to a certain set of beliefs in God’s Word that you think is true, and if somebody disagrees with that truth, they are outside your circle or outside of what you believe is correct. But yes. We are to judge righteously as Jesus says.

You do not follow what I have said on this forum. I say all the time...It is above my paygrade to judge the validity of other people's beliefs. The only time I break that rule is if what people preach will send them and others down the path to hell....once saved always saved...Calvinism....Jehovah's Witnesses...etc. And then I say they will settle up with Christ on Judgment Day.

Like I have told you I fellowship with many denominations....Most of those are Bible only. I plant seeds of truth but that is it. I fellowship with them a praise the Lord with them. Bible only is a valid belief system....I find humor with it because they do not play by their own rules or they do not know better. But that is ok....Bible only will get you to heaven....no exam on Judgment Day. I am a scholar, life long formal education. The details are important to me....and the details can improve how you apply Christianity to your life....but it does not save you.

There is chattel slavery (Which is the form of slavery that most think about in what happened in the South of North America - which is wrong), and there is the kind of slavery in the Bible whereby men who gave themselves willingly to a master to work hard for them so as to pay off their debts (Which is not chattel slavery). Obviously chattel slavery held by Christians groups over the years at any point in history means their heart was not right with God because basic morality should tell them that such a concept is wrong; They simply buried their moral compass and or conscience in treating people like dirt. Jesus said for us to love our enemies. So Christians who were into chattel slavery simply are not real Christians. They did not know Christ because they did not love. So again, the issue here is a person justifying sin.

This is all well and good and there were different types of slaves....most of those were not discussed in the Bible and Christ said to obey their master....they were not employers, some of the stories told of beating them and killing them. Christians had slaves until the mid 1700's.

Well, it depends on what you mean by rule over women. If you mean that that the man should be the head of the household, and yet they love their wife as Christ loved the church, I would agree that this is important part of being a true Christian

So you decide who is a true Christian. I disagree completely...there is no male of female in Christ. We are all equal members of society, family, and Church.

They are not Christian if they believe polygamy is not wrong.

Well although I believe polygamy is wrong on several levels, you will find the Bible gives no moratorium on it. And in fact Christians practiced polygamy for a long time after Christ. Actually it was the Gentile Christians that eventually put an end to it. It is a long story but then the Catholics are even a weirder story.

Believers are guided into all truth by the Spirit. This is a unique thing of the New Covenant because only kings and prophets had the guidance of the Spirit in the Old Testament.

But how do you determine who gets the Spirit. Only the ones that believe like you do?

Now go on and twist everything I have said....no surprise.

 

[Enoch111]

Way off....

Not at all. So here are the broad groupings of Christian denomination (all cults and heterodox groups excluded).

1. Catholics (all)
2. Orthodox (all)
3. Lutherans (all)
4. Presbyterians (all)
5. Anglicans/Episcopalians
6. Reformed (including Dutch Reformed)
7. Baptists (all)
8. Pentecostals (all)
9. Methodists (including United Methodists)
10. United Church
11. Seventh Day Adventists
12. Church of God
13. Church of Christ
14. Nazarene
15. Mennonites
16. Moravians
17. Alliance
18. Apostolic
19. Vineyard
20. Four Square
21. Free Evangelical
22. Calvary Chapel
23. Salvation Army
24. Brethren Assemblies
25. Non-Denominational (which should even be excluded technically)

 

[Grailhunter]

Not at all. So here are the broad groupings of Christian denomination (all cults and heterodox groups excluded).

1. Catholics (all)
2. Orthodox (all)
3. Lutherans (all)
4. Presbyterians (all)
5. Anglicans/Episcopalians
6. Reformed (including Dutch Reformed)
7. Baptists (all)
8. Pentecostals (all)
9. Methodists (including United Methodists)
10. United Church
11. Seventh Day Adventists
12. Church of God
13. Church of Christ
14. Nazarene
15. Mennonites
16. Moravians
17. Alliance
18. Apostolic
19. Vineyard
20. Four Square
21. Free Evangelical
22. Calvary Chapel
23. Salvation Army
24. Brethren Assemblies
25. Non-Denominational (which should even be excluded technically)

LOL I even gave the website to start off with....LOL...And that was the denominations with more that 100,000 members and more.
The smaller ones out number the larger ones. My responsibility is give the truth...from there it is between you and God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not all Christians believe the world is flat. Are these Christians?

With today’s Science advancements: I think the Spirit gives a person discernment to know whether the Earth is a globe by what we know today. I have talked with flat Earth Christians and they don’t make a whole lot of sense in regards to basic Science or logic. Are they all true Christians? I honestly cannot say. It is possible that Christians of the past did not have the knowledge we have today about the Earth obviously being a globe (making it obvious to us). A globe earth is true in the fact that: Ships drop below the horizon line, stars spin counter clock while in the North Pole, and stars spin clockwise while in the South Pole, satellites, and men seeing the Earth from space, etcetera. My concern is when they say NASA is lying. This gets into false accusations (Which to me is a dangerous place to be as a believer).

Not all Christians believe that wedding ceremonies are not necessary. Are these Christians?

No, they are not real Christians if they don’t believe in being legally married in order to have sex. Sex outside of marriage is fornication. In the Old Testament, a bill of divorcement was used. So logic dictates they had a bill (contract) for marriage to show as proof, too.

Not all Christians are pacifists. Are these Christians?

In most cases, I don’t believe this is a salvation issue, although I think in time, a Christian will be guided into truth on this topic if they truly are for making peace with all men according to Hebrews 12:14 (without which no man shall see the Lord). There really has to be a reality for them to love their enemies and not killing them. This is a part of loving our neighbor (Which is the second greatest commandment). So I believe this may be judged on a case by case basis. Some may be condemned, and others may not be. It depends on their heart towards all men. Do they really love all men truly? Or would they prefer to see some men dead? I believe that may be the dividing line on how we love on this topic, but only Christ would be able to truly know this for each person.

Not all Christians believe that the bread and wine ritual is necessary. Are these Christians?

I think any Christians who fellowship will want to observe the Lord’s supper to honor His sacrifice. But is it necessary every time believers fellowship? I don’t believe so. But I think if they have opportunity to do so… then yes. The Lord did not stress that this was a salvation issue (Although Catholics would disagree with that idea). Eating of Christ’s flesh in John 6 is in reference to doing God the Father’s will (from John chapter 4). But Christians who believe that the Lord’s supper is not necessary at all and they believe that such a practice should not be done: Well, I have not heard of any Christian group refusing to ever do the Lord’s supper. Does such a group exist?

There are Christians that do not even believe that Baptism is necessary for salvation. Are these Christians?

Which baptism? Water baptism? Spirit baptism?

There are Christians that are not real fond of Paul. Are these Christians?

You are going to have to elaborate better than that. Please give some actual verses or passages.

There are Christians that do not believe that God the Father is the creator God. Are these Christians?

I think Christians can be confused or limited in knowledge on what Scripture teaches on this issue. If they are ignorant of this truth, I don’t see an issue here.

All three Persons of the Godhead or Trinity took part in the creation.

• “But now, O LORD, You are our Father; We are the clay and You our potter; And all we are the work of Your hand.” (Isaiah 64:8)
• “He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” (Colossians 1:15–17)
• “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (Job 33:4).

A person can be saved initially without knowing about the Trinity, but once that truth is revealed to them, and they deny it, then they lose their salvation (Because that is how God is revealed in the Bible). For we cannot worship false gods and be saved. The Bible teaches the proper view of God and this is the Trinity (Which is an established truth among most Christian groups and church history).

There are Christians that believe that morality is not important....you believe in Christ and you can do whatever you want....once saved always saved....heaven full of evil. Are these Christians?

Not a chance. They are not Christians. God is good, and He cannot condone or approve of His people doing evil.


(To be continued in my next post, Lord willing):

 

[Grailhunter]

My concern is when they say NASA is lying. This gets into false accusations (Which to me is a dangerous place to be as a believer).

How do you know they are lying? Do you now the story of Galileo?

No, they are not real Christians if they don’t believe in being legally married in order to have sex. Sex outside of marriage is fornication. In the Old Testament, a bill of divorcement was used. So logic dictates they had a bill (contract) for marriage to show as proof, too.

First of all the word fornication is a theological scam and caused a lot false beliefs and sin. Contract for marriage? Do you think you can find a requirement for a wedding ceremony in the Bible? Wedding ceremonies was something that Christians realized was so good. Who taught them that? The history of wedding are very interesting.

In most cases, I don’t believe this is a salvation issue, although I think in time, a Christian will be guided into truth on this topic if they truly are for making peace with all men according to Hebrews 12:14 (without which no man shall see the Lord). There really has to be a reality for them to love their enemies and not killing them. This is a part of loving our neighbor (Which is the second greatest commandment). So I believe this may be judged on a case by case basis. Some may be condemned, and others may not be. It depends on their heart towards all men. Do they really love all men truly? Or would they prefer to see some men dead? I believe that may be the dividing line on how we love on this topic, but only Christ would be able to truly know this for each person.

I am an ex-military person so this is something I have had to address. It is not a sin to be a military man or police. The world is full of wolves. The only way pacifistic people can survive is to live in a society that will defend them. Too many wolves. You get into an ectopia way of thinking or accept your death. Either way it does not work. Then again....bible only....does it matter if you or your family dies....going to heaven?

The Lord did not stress that this was a salvation issue

This is where a lot of Christ error. The Way....was the way to heaven....salvation. But people think that it is like a club...sign up and guaranteed heaven. Read the parable of the Sheep and the Goats and tell me what happened to those people that did not help those in need....Do you thing Christ was kidding?

Same thing goes for the Bread and Wine Ritual....read it carefully. What Christ said to them was shocking to them....sacrilegious by Jewish standards....eating His body and drinking His blood....His own Apostles were offended and His disciples never walked with Him again. Why was it so important? You tell me. What happens if you do not perform this ritual? Read it.

Which baptism? Water baptism? Spirit baptism?

Both.

You are going to have to elaborate better than that. Please give some actual verses or passages.

No need for verse....in general...they do not get Paul or do not agree with him. You can read these thread and see that. His attitude towards women for one. I have explained that in the thread about if men have authority over women. i can copy it here. Personally I love Paul.

A person can be saved initially without knowing about the Trinity, but once that truth is revealed to them, and they deny it, then they lose their salvation (Because that is how God is revealed in the Bible). For we cannot worship false gods and be saved. The Bible teaches the proper view of God and this is the Trinity (Which is an established truth among most Christian groups and church history).

The popular Trinity formula is a scam. I will say it over and over again, theological words and phrase that are not actually in the scriptures are always a scam...have not seen one that is not a scam. Three Gods in accord...a Godhead...three thrones...not one God.

There are Christians that believe that morality is not important....you believe in Christ and you can do whatever you want....once saved always saved....heaven full of evil. Are these Christians?

Not a chance. They are not Christians. God is good, and He cannot condone or approve of His people doing evil.

I am in total agreement with you on the morality of Christianity. Except it is above my paygrade to judge them as not Christians.
I may believe they are destined to hell. But that is up to Christ on Judgment Day. So what is Christ going to take into consideration, I do not know. On one hand society is lost, on the other Christianity has come up with a lot of man-made sins...some of those beliefs cause sin when people judge or condemn other by those man-made sins. it is important to know what Christian morality is. That takes some study. Got to know the rules to follow them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There are Christians that do not believe that Good Deeds are important or not necessary. Are these Christians?

After a person is saved by God’s grace, I believe Jesus and His followers stressed the importance and necessity of good deeds. If they disagree with that truth in the Bible, then they would not be in line with true Christianity. For the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness. The axe is laid to the root of the tree, and we are called to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

There are Christians that believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved....tongues being the event of receiving the Holy Spirit. Are these Christians?

Nowhere does the Bible teach that all believers had to speak in tongues in order to be saved.
In fact, in 1 Corinthians 12:13 Paul asks the questions: Do all have the gift of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? The answer to these questions is obviously “no” because Paul says we are to covet earnestly the best gifts. So this would then fall into the realm of falsely accusing the brethren who are saved and have the Spirit (When they did not speak in tongues). This is a dangerous place to be.

There are Christians that believe that God denied mankind free-will. Are these Christians?

I believe things are synergistic. Both God and man are involved in salvation. Christ draws all men unto Himself (of which no man could ever come to Christ without this drawing), and man responds of His own free will to accept Christ as their Savior. To deny that there is no free will choice at all for a person coming to Christ (and His drawing) is not biblical and it paints a wrong picture of GOD in that He forces some to be saved, and He forces others to not be saved. Such a god is not the God of the Bible. For God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. As I said before, a person cannot worship false gods and be saved. Granted, there are Christians who are in this camp who appear to be really knowledgeable about the Bible and they may offer some great insights, but that does not mean they are worshiping correctly the one True GOD as described in the Bible.

Again thinking that God had nothing else to teach us....what is He doing, twiddling His thumbs?

There are endless truths found in the Bible and God can speak to us by His Word in multiple and endless ways. It’s like numbers. A certain combination of numbers can make up an almost endless array of phone numbers. People keep reading the Bible, and they still discover deep truths that are contained within it. Only a person who is born again by water will be able to truly appreciate this truth and the sufficiency of Scripture.

Have you tied Him up and gagged Him and forbid Him to speak?

We are not to add any new words to the book of Revelation (Which is the end of the Bible).
So we cannot add new words to the Bible. We are told in the second to the last verse, the following words:

“Surely I come quickly.” (Revelation 22:20).

This means we are to look for the Lord’s return and not some new vision, dream, or some false prophet starting a cult like book (in addition to the Bible), or added man made church traditions, etcetera.

The Word of God comes out of God's mouth and He is still speaking. The Bible records the first 65 years of Christianity, there are 2000 years of Christianity.

I believe that believers existed after the writing of the Bible. But no new doctrines or truths on the level of Scripture or the Holy Bible has come to light since that point in time. When God communicated to them, He did so by Holy Scripture.

So are you saying most here are not born again?

I cannot answer that. I don’t know everyone here. But even if I did, I would not think it would be kind to say so. I prefer to attack the false beliefs and not the person. If a person holds to an exceptionally wrong belief, I will of course warn the flock about them. I consider a person rejecting “Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It” as a fundamental truth that a Christian cannot reject. You seem to have made statements that would qualify in rejecting this truth, and so why I seek to warn others about you. For Christians regard the Bible (along with the Anointing to Understand It) as their sole guide for all matters of faith and practice.

How many denominations do you think do not believe you need to be born again.

Again, you are asking the impossible wild goose chase question. It would take years off my life to know such a thing and I am not really interested in doing that. I believe God wants us to focus on preaching the gospel, helping the poor, preaching the Word, loving the brethren, building our character in Christ, etcetera. Such a wild goose chase (by answering your question) would distract from these good and godly things we must focus on instead.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is part of your problem with understanding the Bible and Christianity....you think the truth is not worth it.

You mean… your truth. I believe the Bible is the truth, and yes, it’s worth it to study it and ask God to help us to understand it, and apply it to our lives to build our relationship with the Lord. You imply that truth is not knowable because you say there are thousands of denominations and you ask: How do we know the right one or the right truths? This to me suggests you don’t have an established set truth of what God’s Word actually says.

Anyways, I answered the questions to your post to the best of my ability, but I don’t feel it is profitable to keep going back and forth with you on these topics. I don’t believe any more future answers with the Bible are going to convince you to see reason. Besides, its not the topic of the OP (And we should respect the thread topic). If you want to ask these questions for others, and endlessly debate this, then by all means start another thread, friend.

Peace be unto you in the Lord (even if I disagree strongly on your view of Scripture).

 

[Grailhunter]

After a person is saved by God’s grace, I believe Jesus and His followers stressed the importance and necessity of good deeds. If they disagree with that truth in the Bible, then they would not be in line with true Christianity. For the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness. The axe is laid to the root of the tree, and we are called to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

Understand all that.....but what happened to the people that did not help others?
And what happens if you do not particpate in the Bread and Wine ritual?

Nowhere does the Bible teach that all believers had to speak in tongues in order to be saved.

Well people interpret things to get there....tongues are wonderful....but they are a sign of a gift not salvation.

I believe things are synergistic. Both God and man are involved in salvation. Christ draws all men unto Himself (of which no man could ever come to Christ without this drawing), and man responds of His own free will to accept Christ as their Savior. To deny that there is no free will choice at all for a person coming to Christ (and His drawing) is not biblical and it paints a wrong picture of GOD in that He forces some to be saved, and He forces others to not be saved. Such a god is not the God of the Bible. For God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. As I said before, a person cannot worship false gods and be saved. Granted, there are Christians who are in this camp who appear to be really knowledgeable about the Bible and they may offer some great insights, but that does not mean they are worshiping correctly the one True GOD as described in the Bible.

Like the guy said, I am insane not stupid.

There are endless truths found in the Bible and God can speak to us by His Word in multiple and endless ways. It’s like numbers. A certain combination of numbers can make up an almost endless array of phone numbers. People keep reading the Bible, and they still discover deep truths that are contained within it. Only a person who is born again by water will be able to truly appreciate this truth and the sufficiency of Scripture.

Ya LOL what does this mean?

We are not to add any new words to the book of Revelation (Which is the end of the Bible). So we cannot add new words to the Bible. We are told in the second to the last verse, the following words:

.A funny....I understand the whole Bible only thing....But the Bible is men writing about God's Word....but actually God's Word comes out of God's mouth. And that conversation continued for 2000 years.


That is part of your problem with understanding the Bible and Christianity....you think the truth is not worth it.

You mean… your truth. I believe the Bible is the truth, and yes, it’s worth it to study it and ask God to help us to understand it, and apply it to our lives to build our relationship with the Lord. You imply that truth is not knowable because you say there are thousands of denominations and you ask: How do we know the right one or the right truths? This to me suggests you don’t have an established set truth of what God’s Word actually says.

Well ya see, I do not have a personal truth. The point was that truth does not end at the end of the Bible. Established set truth, pick one LOL. As far as knowing the truth....that includes looking at the things God has taught us since the Bible.

Anyways, I answered the questions to your post to the best of my ability, but I don’t feel it is profitable to keep going back and forth with you on these topics. I don’t believe any more future answers with the Bible are going to convince you to see reason. Besides, its not the topic of the OP (And we should respect the thread topic). If you want to ask these questions for others, and endlessly debate this, then by all means start another thread, friend.

That is ok, I am going to grade on a curve. And you are right, this is not the topic of the OP....so we can discontinue

I don’t believe any more future answers with the Bible are going to convince you to see reason.

I am all about reason...And since I love all these "Bible only" Christians that I go to church with, it is clear and I have said it repeatedly, Bible only is valid belief system, and leads to salvation. But it is like Paul Harvey use to say....stay tuned for the rest of the story!

 

[Taken]

That's a new one I never heard before, lol. :)
People sure post some crazy stuff on the forum lately.

It’s a free for all, pick a number, repeat it, and it must be true...lol

Eh, men build Churches, dedicate them to what they will, and call them what they will.

Not especially related to churches....but interesting how men have historically built isolated and dedicated to what....religious sites.
Link under the following heading.

21 breathtaking photos show what the most isolated religious sites in the world look like

 

[JohnPaul]

Multiple people shot California church in Laguna Woods Orange County one person detained casualties | Daily Mail Online

Buffalo shooter targeted Black neighborhood, officials say

These MASS murders, and MANY more that we see on a regular basis, shows that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!

The US Constitution that allows for this is VERY WRONG!

You are not from America, it's in our constitution and our right, and because some nut commits a crime does not mean that right should be taken away.

Remember if they take away that right only the criminals will have guns as they don't abide by the law and apply for permits and licenses, so things would get worse very fast.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You are not from America, it's in our constitution and our right, and because some nut commits a crime does not mean that right should be taken away.

Remember if they take away that right only the criminals will have guns as they don't abide by the law and apply for permits and licenses, so things would get worse very fast.

not just "some nut", but on a WEEKLY basis! your so called "rights" to blow each other away, is just NUTS!

 

[JohnPaul]

not just "some nut", but on a WEEKLY basis! your so called "rights" to blow each other away, is just NUTS!

Sometimes I think these crimes are created to take away our gun rights, it's part of our heritage and history it's how we won the war and independence, and why that right is in our constitution to begin with.

Make guns illegal and only the criminals will have guns.