Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Lambano]

faith is, in the case of religion, a belief in something unseen.

I see you picked an answer right out of Hebrews:

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for. (Hebrews 11:1-2)

How did the OT saints believe?

But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. (John 7:39)

 

[Lambano]

faith is, in the case of religion, a belief in something unseen.

@Lifelong_sinner, what unseen things do you hope for?

 

[Johann]

@Lifelong_sinner, what unseen things do you hope for?

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
J.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Once again, this then means you have faith since you believe in what you haven’t seen. So, once again, you have faith but not the new birth, so how can you still say faith cannot precede regeneration?

easy. Read james. Chapter 2 specifically. He said even the demons believe in God. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. If a person believes in God, yet has no works, what do we call them? A false convert. Are false converts saved? No. Did simon the magician believe? Yes? Was he saved when confronted by peter? No.

moral of the story. Theres a difference between belief and faith. I believe in God yes, but im not saved. How do i know? I keep committing the same willful habitual sin daily. My works are showing my lack of faith. If i had faith, i would not suffer with habitual sin. If i were saved, regenerated, i would not have habitual sin in my life.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

@Lifelong_sinner, what unseen things do you hope for?

hope for?? Hmmm thats an interesting question. I dont think i have any hope for anything really. But i believe in God and His final judgement of us. Its interesting you asked this, because my pastor asked me something along the same line last monday. And what i notice now is that really the only thing i focus on is judgement day itself. Think of it like having tunnel vision, its the only thing i can focus on.

 

[Lambano]

Theres a difference between belief and faith.

I agree, though faith does encompass belief. So what is faith?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

How did the OT saints believe?

But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. (John 7:39)

the Holy Spirit existed then, but He was only given to few. We see david in psalms beg that the Lord not take the Spirit from him. In this instance, the Holy Spirit could actually leave a person.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I agree, though faith does encompass belief. So what is faith?

I would define faith as trust or maybe assurance that we have been justified or born again.
This might help, tomorrow is monday. We dont question it. We dont even give it much thought as to think “is it really monday though?” When we think of monday, we think more on going back to work than we do the fact that it is monday. Thats belief.

faith is trusting that we have been saved. Thats it, but as we know, our faith can be wrong. There are many a false convert in the world.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

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and here comes grail. All we need now is robert derrick and the whole calvin haters club will be here.

 

[Lambano]

the Holy Spirit existed then, but He was only given to few. We see david in psalms beg that the Lord not take the Spirit from him. In this instance, the Holy Spirit could actually leave a person.

David was a prophet; he wrote a good chunk of the Psalms. Prophets are an exception.

By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. (Hebrews 11:29)

Did all the Israelites have the Holy Spirit? I don't think so.

 

[Lambano]

the Holy Spirit existed then, but He was only given to few. We see david in psalms beg that the Lord not take the Spirit from him. In this instance, the Holy Spirit could actually leave a person.

So you believe in the concept of "Evanescent grace"?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

David was a prophet; he wrote a good chunk of the Psalms. Prophets are an exception.

By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. (Hebrews 11:29)

Did all the Israelites have the Holy Spirit? I don't think so.

no i dont either.

 

[Lambano]

faith is trusting that we have been saved.

You're getting closer. Now you mentioned trust.

But I don't believe that our own salvation is the proper object of our trust. Who is it that has the power to save us?

 

[Lambano]

no i dont either.

But they had faith, at least enough to cross the Red Sea.

 

[Renniks]

ahhhhh yes, another pagan belief of your free will. You think your free will would ever side with God??

Scripture is full of confirmations that we can choose God. If I have no free will, nothing I do matters anyway. That would be God playing a game of solitaire and we would be just pieces being moved around irresistibly. That's pagan philosophy. It's commonly called fate.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

But they had faith, at least enough to cross the Red Sea.

moses had faith, the Israelites wanted to turn back. Again as you noticed, a prophet.

 

[Johann]

If i were saved, regenerated, i would not have habitual sin in my life.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Do I promote absolute sinlessness?
Absolutely not!...for there are some here who do believe they are "incapable" of committing acts of sins in word, thought and deed.

There's a huge difference between living in a state of unbridled hamartia as opposed to the believers acts of missing the mark, but we have an Advocate in heaven, Christ Jesus our Lord kai God..

J.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So you believe in the concept of "Evanescent grace"?

calvin believed in that, and there may be something to it. I believe in the doctrine of election, that only God knows who all will be saved, but it is up to Him and not having to explain His actions to us. I do believe false converts outnumber the truly saved.

 

[Lambano]

moses had faith, the Israelites wanted to turn back. Again as you noticed, a prophet.

But yet they crossed the Red Sea.

By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient. (Hebrews 11:31)

Did she have the Holy Spirit?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Scripture is full of confirmations that we can choose God. If I have no free will, nothing I do matters anyway. That would be God playing a game of solitaire and we would be just pieces being moved around irresistibly. That's pagan philosophy. It's commonly called fate.

and again, you dont understand the spirit of scripture. We have NOTHING, i cant emphasize this enough, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with getting saved. God has already chosen who will be saved, and no amount of groveling can save you if you are not of the elect.