Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[Lambano]

on the contrary, it is my faith and trust in Jesus that lets me know im not saved. If Jesus is fair, honest and just on judgement day, then theres no way He’ll save me. You cannot live the way i do and think you’ll be saved. You’d be hard pressed to find a person more deserving of hell than me.

If you do get clean (and I'm praying that you will), then will you finally trust Jesus to save you?

 

[Renniks]

new and improved doctrine.
I AM a calvinist and will always remain calvinist. And i will fight tooth and nail to get saved, and surrender to God.

What? How does that fit into Calvinism? In Calvinism, God irresistibly saves you forever or he doesn't. There's no fight.

 

[Enoch111]

it is my faith and trust in Jesus that lets me know im not saved.

According to the Bible, the one who has faith and trust in Jesus and has turned away from his sins and idols is saved. So if you have not repented, then God commands you to repent right now and be saved.

 

[marks]

Again, if you want to apply this to every individual, you have problems to overcome.

It's how it reads. You need to show an exegesis that this isn't the right translation. But if the translation is correct, that's what those words mean.

Romans 9:18 LITV
18) So, then, to whom He desires, He shows mercy. And to whom He desires, He hardens.

2 Peter 3:9 LITV
9) The Lord of the promise is not slow, as some deem slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not having purposed any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

Neither of these passages negate the plain meaning of the other.

Pharaoh as an example, God allowed Pharaoh a lot of time, as he hardened his own heart (made wooden, lit.), before God hardened it (turned to stone, lit.). And this is like in 2 Thessalonians 2, some will be given a strong delusion to believe the lie that they will be condemned. Or Romans 1, where God gives some over to vile passions. These are all condemned while still living, bound over to judgment.

None of these truths negate the fact that God created men to have fellowship with Him. That's the way it's been from the beginning. We are not some of us just made to be the cordwood for the fires of hell. That was not God's purpose in making mankind.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

It's how it reads. You need to show an exegesis that this isn't the right translation. But if the translation is correct, that's what those words mean.

Romans 9:18 LITV
18) So, then, to whom He desires, He shows mercy. And to whom He desires, He hardens.

2 Peter 3:9 LITV
9) The Lord of the promise is not slow, as some deem slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not having purposed any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

Neither of these passages negate the plain meaning of the other.

Pharaoh as an example, God allowed Pharaoh a lot of time, as he hardened his own heart (made wooden, lit.), before God hardened it (turned to stone, lit.). And this is like in 2 Thessalonians 2, some will be given a strong delusion to believe the lie that they will be condemned. Or Romans 1, where God gives some over to vile passions. These are all condemned while still living, bound over to judgment.

None of these truths negate the fact that God created men to have fellowship with Him. That's the way it's been from the beginning. We are not some of us just made to be the cordwood for the fires of hell. That was not God's purpose in making mankind.

Much love!

Did I say they negate the meaning of the other? No I did not. You ignore context. 2 Peter 3:9 the any has an antecedent, you realize this right? It is you. And further, the us in verse 1. It is beloved. He does not want any of the elect to perish and he is patient towards his destruction of the world (see verse 8) in order that all of the elect come to repentance.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

According to the Bible, the one who has faith and trust in Jesus and has turned away from his sins and idols is saved. So if you have not repented, then God commands you to repent right now and be saved.

already did that. Didnt work. If God doesnt grant you repentance, then your attempt wont be genuine. No matter how many times i have tried repenting, i still commit the exact same sins over and over. If you do that, then your repentance is not genuine. I dont feel bad about my biggest struggles, i actually give in to them daily, and contently.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

already did that. Didnt work. If God doesnt grant you repentance, then your attempt wont be genuine. No matter how many times i have tried repenting, i still commit the exact same sins over and over. If you do that, then your repentance is not genuine. I dont feel bad about my biggest struggles, i actually give in to them daily, and contently.

After I came to God, I kept repeating the same sin over and over too. I didn’t want to, but I couldn’t stop.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

After I came to God, I kept repeating the same sin over and over too. I didn’t want to, but I couldn’t stop.

then you might should question your repentance too.

 

[Taken]

already did that. Didnt work. If God doesnt grant you repentance, then your attempt wont be genuine. No matter how many times i have tried repenting, i still commit the exact same sins over and over. If you do that, then your repentance is not genuine. I dont feel bad about my biggest struggles, i actually give in to them daily, and contently.

So every day you stand in disbelief in the Lord God Almighty?

 

[PinSeeker]

then you might should question your repentance too.

Well... you don't, LifelongSinner, think your repentance is perfect, right? I hope not, and apparently she's quite aware of that fact of herself, too, that her repentance ~ everybody's ~ is imperfect. It is kind of tongue-in-cheek, but true: we all need to repent of our repentance. One day, though ~ one great Day ~ that will no longer be the case. Come quickly, Lord Jesus. Right?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Well... you don't, LifelongSinner, think your repentance is perfect, right? I hope not, and apparently she's quite aware of that fact of herself, too, that her repentance ~ everybody's ~ is imperfect. It is kind of tongue-in-cheek, but true: we all need to repent of our repentance. One day, though ~ one great Day ~ that will no longer be the case. Come quickly, Lord Jesus. Right?

Grace and peace to you.

my first response to my own repentance can be found in the comment before hers. Obviously, no my repentance wasnt even repentance as far as im concerned.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So every day you stand in disbelief in the Lord God Almighty?

not disbelief, its just im not one of the elect. Then again, few are.

 

[Taken]

not disbelief, its just im not one of the elect. Then again, few are.

*Repenting is a genuine sorrow for HAVING NOT Believed.
(we all are naturally born, NOT Believing)
*Repenting includes HAVING CORRUPTED your soul, for HAVING NOT Believed.
*Confessing is Declaring your True Belief, (and why it is from your hearts thoughts)....ie the Carnal Mind is against God.
* See the caveat...”IF”.
* THAT IS Gods Order and Way Fulfilled, WHEN a man accomplishes the required “IF”.

Rom 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Don’t know what you are calling “SIN”.
But if you notice, “SIN” Against God IS Disbelief IN God and the one He Sent, ie Jesus the promised Christ Messiah and Savior, and corrupting ones soul.

All the works of Converting a man IS Gods Works, AFTER a man has accomplished the “IF”.
Accomplishing the “IF”, is precisely making an ASSURED Freewill Agreement to:
Give your body unto death....FOR your Love of God.
Give God authority to....Restore your soul.
Give God authority to.....Quicken your spirit.
Give God authority for His Spirit to DWELL “IN” you.
Give God authority for Him to Raise your body, soul, spirit, Wholly, whole, holy.

God does not require a written “contract”.
He requires your true (heart-ful) word.

“IF” you accomplish the “IF”... repetition is not necessary.
Once and forever, you ARE Saved and born of Gods Seed...
(WHO is Christ, and the Wisdom and the Power OF God)

If you have Accomplished the “IF” and UNABLE to stand against the Lord God...(which means UNABLE to DISBELIEVE in God), Your sin against God is Forgiven, Covered, you Can sin no more and you Are Saved.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

*Repenting is a genuine sorrow for HAVING NOT Believed.
(we all are naturally born, NOT Believing)
*Repenting includes HAVING CORRUPTED your soul, for HAVING NOT Believed.
*Confessing is Declaring your True Belief, (and why it is from your hearts thoughts)....ie the Carnal Mind is against God.
* See the caveat...”IF”.
* THAT IS Gods Order and Way Fulfilled, WHEN a man accomplishes the required “IF”.

Rom 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Don’t know what you are calling “SIN”.
But if you notice, “SIN” Against God IS Disbelief IN God and the one He Sent, ie Jesus the promised Christ Messiah and Savior, and corrupting ones soul.

All the works of Converting a man IS Gods Works, AFTER a man has accomplished the “IF”.
Accomplishing the “IF”, is precisely making an ASSURED Freewill Agreement to:
Give your body unto death....FOR your Love of God.
Give God authority to....Restore your soul.
Give God authority to.....Quicken your spirit.
Give God authority for His Spirit to DWELL “IN” you.
Give God authority for Him to Raise your body, soul, spirit, Wholly, whole, holy.

God does not require a written “contract”.
He requires your true (heart-ful) word.

“IF” you accomplish the “IF”... repetition is not necessary.
Once and forever, you ARE Saved and born of Gods Seed...
(WHO is Christ, and the Wisdom and the Power OF God)

If you have Accomplished the “IF” and UNABLE to stand against the Lord God...(which means UNABLE to DISBELIEVE in God), Your sin against God is Forgiven, Covered, you Can sin no more and you Are Saved.

yea, thats not how this works.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

then you might should question your repentance too.

I don’t. I definitely turned to God. That is what repentance means, to turn to Him in trust. I then went through all the trying hard to overcome in my own strength, to finish in the flesh what had begun by the Spirit. It was a horrible cycle up and down, up and down. I finally gave up trying and told Him if I was to change, He would have to do it and that I trusted Him.

 

[Truman]

I thought I'd drop by to see what's happening on this thread...and perhaps to see Hobbs. As he's not here, I'll leave y'all to your Christian bumper cars. Enjoy!

 

[Taken]

I thought I'd drop by to see what's happening on this thread...and perhaps to see Hobbs. As he's not here, I'll leave y'all to your Christian bumper cars. Enjoy!

Okay :)
BTW...northern lights?

 

[Taken]

yea, thats not how this works.

That’s Gods Order and Way.
So, whatever “your this” is... is your mystery.

 

[Lambano]

already did that. Didnt work. If God doesnt grant you repentance, then your attempt wont be genuine. No matter how many times i have tried repenting, i still commit the exact same sins over and over. If you do that, then your repentance is not genuine. I dont feel bad about my biggest struggles, i actually give in to them daily, and contently.

Repentance might not be what you think it is.

"Repentance is agreeing with God who He is, who you are, what you've done, and what needs to change. It is not change itself, but it is God's strategy for changing YOU."

God that from a Reformed ministry.

 

[Truman]

Okay :)
BTW...northern lights?

Yeah.