Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[reformed1689]

So are we agreed this means exactly what it says?

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God is not willing for ANY to perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

Much love!

No because you ignore the context.

 

[BarneyFife]

I have never said there is a passage that says God does not command all to come to repentance. That's not the discussion here.

The discussion always seems to be about whatever flavor of Calvinism is being advanced.
You never know who you're talking to.
The discussion is always over before it starts.

Friends, there is only one way of Salvation, and it should have no man’s name attached to it.

 

[marks]

For a little meta-communication . . .

marks said: ↑
Are you aware of any passage that tells us God does NOT desire all come to repentance?

I have never said there is a passage that says God does not command all to come to repentance. That's not the discussion here.

I had asked if you were aware of such a passage. You responded that you've never said there was such a passage. That is actually non-responsive. An appropriate answer would be along the lines of, Yes, I am aware of such, or, No, I am not aware of such. And if you are, to maybe go on and quote it as an additional contribution.

And my question was not asking if there is a passage that says God does not command all to come to repentance. I had asked if you were aware of a passage that tells us God does not desire all come to repentance. So again your answer was non-responsive.

You've answered questions I didn't ask, while not answering the question I did ask. This post has the form of an answer, but does not answer the post you've purportedly responded to.

So whether you read my words without comprehension, and mentally transposed your thoughts for mine, or whether you were deliberately, even if without being aware of it, whether you were deliberately deflecting, or something else yet, I cannot say.

I write this hoping to raise awareness, and promote more meaningful discussion.

Much love!

@Johann

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

My friend, may I correct you? The primary evidence of being part of the Elect is TRUST (faith) in Jesus Christ. That should be a common understanding among both Arminians and Calvinists. Do you need me to chapter and verse?

Bro, that is why your lack of trust in Christ to save you worries me more than your sin. You believe your theology, but you don't believe in Christ.

on the contrary, it is my faith and trust in Jesus that lets me know im not saved. If Jesus is fair, honest and just on judgement day, then theres no way He’ll save me. You cannot live the way i do and think you’ll be saved. You’d be hard pressed to find a person more deserving of hell than me.

 

[marks]

No because you ignore the context.

Ad hominem instead of a meaningful reply, such as showing exegetically that your assertion is true, for instance.

Poor form? Or deliberate deflection? Something else?

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

For a little meta-communication . . .

marks said: ↑
Are you aware of any passage that tells us God does NOT desire all come to repentance?



I had asked if you were aware of such a passage. You responded that you've never said there was such a passage. That is actually non-responsive. An appropriate answer would be along the lines of, Yes, I am aware of such, or, No, I am not aware of such. And if you are, to maybe go on and quote it as an additional contribution.

And my question was not asking if there is a passage that says God does not command all to come to repentance. I had asked if you were aware of a passage that tells us God does not desire all come to repentance. So again your answer was non-responsive.

You've answered questions I didn't ask, while not answering the question I did ask. This post has the form of an answer, but does not answer the post you've purportedly responded to.

So whether you read my words without comprehension, and mentally transposed your thoughts for mine, or whether you were deliberately, even if without being aware of it, whether you were deliberately deflecting, or something else yet, I cannot say.

I write this hoping to raise awareness, and promote more meaningful discussion.

Much love!

@Johann

What I did was not fall into a trap of you trying to get me to affirm something based on the exact text of a verse. So I put forth what I believe. That verse is not talking about all individuals. But yes, God desires and demands all to repent from their sin or be condemned. I'm not deflecting anything, but also not going to fall into a word game trap.

 

[reformed1689]

Ad hominem instead of a meaningful reply, such as showing exegetically that your assertion is true, for instance.

Poor form? Or deliberate deflection? Something else?

Much love!

I've already shown it exegetically.

 

[reformed1689]

You’d be hard pressed to find a person more deserving of hell than me.

Paul said very much the same thing.

 

[marks]

Did Christ pay for their sins? No. So you have a problem here, you want to say world means all individuals and that God is not willing that any should perish.

You seem to think that if someone doesn't repent, that Jesus didn't pay for their sins. Yet the Bible says Jesus was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. I think the problem is yours.

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, and now through His people urges everyone to be reconciled to God.

He reconciled you to Himself, now you be reconciled to Him.

Romans 5:10-11 LITV
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.

God reconciled us to Himself, then we either receive the reconciliation, or we don't. Just the same . . . Behold! The Lamb of God, Who carries away the sin of the world.

The whole world lies in evil, but Jesus carried away the sin of the world. Jesus propitiated the sins of the whole world, and now commands men everywhere to repent, being patient, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance, those men everywhere whom He commands to repent, He actually wants them to! It's not a lie!

Much love!

 

[marks]

I've already shown it exegetically.

Which post? Maybe I missed it.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

You seem to think that if someone doesn't repent, that Jesus didn't pay for their sins. Yet the Bible says Jesus was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. I think the problem is yours.

God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, and now through His people urges everyone to be reconciled to God.

He reconciled you to Himself, now you be reconciled to Him.

Romans 5:10-11 LITV
10) For if while being enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life;
11) and not only so, but also glorying in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we now received the reconciliation.

God reconciled us to Himself, then we either receive the reconciliation, or we don't. Just the same . . . Behold! The Lamb of God, Who carries away the sin of the world.

The whole world lies in evil, but Jesus carried away the sin of the world. Jesus propitiated the sins of the whole world, and now commands men everywhere to repent, being patient, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance, those men everywhere whom He commands to repent, He actually wants them to! It's not a lie!

Much love!

Again, you have to show that whole world means all individuals. I don't have a problem with the whole world because it doesn't mean individuals. Romans 5 was written to Christians. Everyone that Romans 5 was written to was reconciled because they were believers. It amuses me when people use passages like that and ignore who the letter was addressed to. Just like the 2 Peter verse, you ignore the context and who it is being written to.

 

[marks]

2 Peter 3:5-10 LITV
5) For this is hidden from them by their willing it so, that heavens were of old, and earth by water, and through water, having subsisted by the Word of God,
6) through which the world which then was, being flooded by water, perished.
7) But the heavens and the earth now, having been stored up by the same Word, are being kept for fire to a day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8) But let not this one thing be hidden from you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is "as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." Psa. 90:4
9) The Lord of the promise is not slow, as some deem slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not having purposed any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with rushing sound, and having burned the elements will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be burned up.

 

[reformed1689]

Which post? Maybe I missed it.

Much love!

You refers both to Peter’s immediate readers and any who will ever come to faith in Jesus Christ (cf. John 10:16). Some have argued that you implies the salvation of all people. But the immediate context and comments about “the destruction of ungodly men” (v. 7) clearly limits the you to believers. The letter is addressed to “those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ.… He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature” (1:1b, 4a; emphasis added). From then on, the use of you is directed at believers (2:1–3; 3:2). The you of 3:1 are “beloved.” The words of verse 8, “do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved” (emphasis added), again link the you to the beloved. The you with whom the Lord is patient are therefore the same beloved ones He waits to bring to repentance.

John F. MacArthur Jr., 2 Peter and Jude, MacArthur New Testament Commentary (Chicago: Moody Publishers, 2005), 122.

 

[marks]

It amuses me when people use passages like that and ignore who the letter was addressed to.

The answer to your question is the genre of his statement.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You refers both to Peter’s immedi

Which post were you referring to? Where you gave an exegesis? You said you did that. Where? Or did you actually not? You don't have to answer, I'm not actually trying to put you into a corner, I'm just trying to impress upon you to just be real, and be attentive.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

9) The Lord of the promise is not slow, as some deem slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not having purposed any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

Again, if you want to apply this to every individual, you have problems to overcome. How do you reconcile your view of this verse with:

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 9:14–18.

 

[reformed1689]

The answer to your question is the genre of his statement.

Much love!

What question is that?

 

[marks]

@Johann ,

I tagged you on a few posts to show examples how people exchange their own words for mine, and like that. You probably guessed already . . .

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

Which post were you referring to? Where you gave an exegesis? You said you did that. Where? Or did you actually not? You don't have to answer, I'm not actually trying to put you into a corner, I'm just trying to impress upon you to just be real, and be attentive.

Much love!

No I did much earlier but I don't really care to go back through the thread and find it. If you want to find it, be my guest.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

When you see you sin, you hide from God.

okay, but this is what you said.