Run AWAY from Calvinism!

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APAK

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Another common mistake.... God isn't outside of "time". God brings order to chaos. The absence of time is chaos.

Eternity/Eternal things are things with endless/neverending time.
You know that what you said is logical in the context I believe YOU have used it not me. It is created for man's sake indeed. However think a little more subtly to my words and especially my context in which I have used it. It makes all the difference.

God is outside of the time constraint and ordered time for us to be compatible with our space and environment we live in. He can go IN and OUT of time as he chooses. I hope you now understand my meaning here.
 

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More deflecting on your part. I've actually dealt with trained Calvinists for many years. I know your tactics.

No. This is real. Deflecting will not help you.

oh my gosh, please, I beg you - stop! I cannot laugh anymore!
 
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Another trait common with Calvinists. They laugh uncontrollably. It is a weird defense mechanism that never works for them.

Busy reading my bible through, and listen to Spurgeon, if stunnedbygrace holds to the doctrines of Spurgeon, Calvin..she is in safe hands and from what I have read so far is that regeneration precedes faith..Grace, mercy, sanctification, a "quickening/vivifying" by the Spirit and faith is really last, once quickened i.e. regenerated, under the good news the sinner can entrust himself through faith, the instrumentality, not "because of "Faith".
Guess the reformers have it right after all.
J.
 

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Busy reading my bible through, and listen to Spurgeon, if stunnedbygrace holds to the doctrines of Spurgeon, Calvin..she is in safe hands and from what I have read so far is that regeneration precedes faith..Grace, mercy, sanctification, a "quickening/vivifying" by the Spirit and faith is really last, once quickened i.e. regenerated, under the good news the sinner can entrust himself through faith, the instrumentality, not "because of "Faith".
Guess the reformers have it right after all.
J.

Spurgeon often contradicted himself.

When you going to make up your mind? You're all over the place.
 
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Spurgeon often contradicted himself.

When you going to make up your mind? You're all over the place.

Not really, three posts so far.
Spurgeon is spot on friend.
One question.
Do we make a "choice" in entrusting ourselves to Christ?
Is our faith, which is a gift, the cause or the instrument?
J.
You see as faith precedes regeneration, I can show you many scriptures that is not the case.
What now?
J.
 

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Spurgeon often contradicted himself.

When you going to make up your mind? You're all over the place.

You insist a man must pick one of the two ditches and jump into it, so you will of course be confused when you run across a man who refuses either ditch.
 
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I said nothing about two ditches. That is your nonsense.

Tsk.
I chose you, you did not choose me.
Choose life.
Without them both, you are in one of the ditches.

which is it - Always answer a fool in his folly or never answer a fool in his folly? Give us your answer please. Jump in one of the ditches and give us your answer.
 
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You MUST jump in one of the ditches because if you don’t we won’t know whether to shoot at you or not. We will have no earthly idea what is to be done with you if you don’t play by the rule. No, we don’t know who wrote the rule, we only know we must keep following it. Now pick a ditch!!
 
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Tsk.
I chose you, you did not choose me.
Choose life.
Without them both, you are in one of the ditches.

which is it - Always answer a fool in his folly or never answer a fool in his folly? Give us your answer please. Jump in one of the ditches and give us your answer.

No. I'll stay right here on solid ground above all that nonsense you require.
 

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No. I'll stay right here on solid ground above all that nonsense you require.

psh! There is no solid ground. There is no road that avoids the ditches. There’s only two ditches. If you insist a man has to be in one of them, what’s this talk about solid ground…?