Run AWAY from Calvinism!

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Desire Of All Nations

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Sounds like you want to earn salvation by your merits, doesn't work that way.
Shalom
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The NT clearly teaches in a multitude of passages that a Christian has to remain loyal to what is taught in the Bible. The biblical standards won't change just because it makes you uncomfortable. In Col. 1:23, Paul says Christians have to "continue in the faith", be "grounded and steadfast", and not "moved away from the hope of the gospel". Unless you can find a passage that says Satan fights a passive war, then your theology is way off.

Whether you accept it or not, 2 Thess. 1:7-8 says everyone who disobeys the gospel will suffer God's vengeance. All of the fake Christians that believe that they can just autopilot their way into the Kingdom by possessing a shallow belief in Christ's existence are going to be extremely surprised to find themselves on the business end of God's wrath.
 

John Caldwell

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You think I am not aware of this?
We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling, even the demons believe and they tremble.
I can tell you straight out there are some here who have a form of godliness... Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Do I think you are unaware? I have no idea. I was just responding to the OP. I don't know you.
 

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I have peace and assurance now..
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Ah. The peace that passes all understanding (Philippians 4:7), the assurance of things hoped for but are yet unseen (faith; Hebrews 11:1). Well that's certainly good to hear. Who gave that to you, Johann? Did you give it to yourself?

Grace and peace to you.
 
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Unless you can find a passage that says Satan fights a passive war, then your theology is way off.

There's no passivism in Christianity as we are to take up, once, and once for all the full armor of God..for our warfare is not against flesh and blood...guess I have this wrong since there are a lot of "in-fighting" between "believer" versus "believer"
was worth a try though.
Blessings
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Johann

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Whether you accept it or not, 2 Thess. 1:7-8 says everyone who disobeys the gospel will suffer God's vengeance. All of the fake Christians that believe that they can just autopilot their way into the Kingdom by possessing a shallow belief in Christ's existence are going to be extremely surprised to find themselves on the business end of God's wrath.

I concur..there are at least 1,050 Imperatives in the New Covenant, no time to sit in front of the TV since redeeming the time is also an Imperative.
Blessings
J.
 

ChristisGod

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I hope you get two other opinions, at least, before you believe this pastor knows Calvinism and calls its doctrine a Trojan Horse. I already see him deliberately twisting some of the Calvinistic meanings concerning their T.U.L.I.P. based on my little experience of this doctrine. I am not a member or follower of any denomination and including many doctrines, including Calvinism. And I do believe that in the main, most of the Calvinistic thinking is scriptural indeed. And it is based on what I believe they mean, their understanding of what they claim. I will also say that there are only a true handful that actually know what Calvinists really mean by their T.U.L.I.P. I surely do not know the intend and all their meanings in their doctrine, so I'm not quick to judge, and especially based on another pastor's word, out-of-hand.

This pastor is like a Trojan Horse in my opinion. I would revisit this clip again and ask questions along the way about why he forces only one meaning on his audience for all the key Calvinistic key concepts. Context is short in this clip, done intentionally. He definitely wants his audience to be steered to his own created one-sided debate and discussion. I would challenge him on his understanding in several places of his discussion.

For example for (T) Total Depravation - he says that no human born is spiritually inclined to know God or look for him (all my words like his), and I agree and so do Calvinists, and most believers in Christ.

Then he says Calvinists believe that God regenerated or makes them alive to know him. And I also agree with this idea with reservations. Now the poison he adds in, is this, he deliberately twists the word 'regeneration' to quickly mean 'being saved' with the spirit of Christ. To me, making someone alive to even know God is scriptural and it does not mean being reborn at that time. It's like turning on the light to even see spiritually. I believe or want to believe that Calvinists are not saying that that person is now reborn spiritually at this point.

We have had this discussion of Calvinism many times on this forum/site, and yet I believe I have not known anyone to know the entire doctrine correctly, or there is no one who is an expert on the subject; either arguing for or against this doctrine or otherwise. That's the problem. It's like calling something a threat when everyone speaks as if they know what it is and yet nobody really knows what it is when we get down to it. Just plain old gossip and idle talk, including this video clip.
Calvinism teaches man is spiritually dead and must first be regenerated ( new birth, born again ). This takes place prior to faith and repentance in Calvinism. It happens without you knowing or your consent. I know since I've been one for many years( 40 ) but am now reexamining those beliefs. I've defended calvinism for decades and know all the teachings. I have not watched the video and I can care less what the man said. I was just responding to your post.
 

Truman

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Tulips...Trojan horses...synods of Dort??? I don't know much about Calvinism, but I think I'll just stick with my bible.
Synods of Dort? Sounds like a vaccine side-effect!
Doctor: "You have a synod of Dort on your left buttock. Use this cream...it should get rid of it!" Lol
 

APAK

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Calvinism teaches man is spiritually dead and must first be regenerated ( new birth, born again ). This takes place prior to faith and repentance in Calvinism. It happens without you knowing or your consent. I know since I've been one for many years( 40 ) but am now reexamining those beliefs. I've defended calvinism for decades and know all the teachings. I have not watched the video and I can care less what the man said. I was just responding to your post.
I believe this form Calvinism was not actually taught by the original John. John preached 'faith before regeneration' as I read his words. Now some others later on, who followed his teachings, did reverse this 'order' and I believe most get confused today believing it is the original Calvinism by John. I believe I already posted on this thread previously concerning this serious issue and error in thought.
 
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I believe this form Calvinism was not actually taught by the original John. John preached 'faith before regeneration' as I read his words. Now some others later on, who followed his teachings, did reverse this 'order' and I believe most get confused today believing it is the original Calvinism by John. I believe I already posted on this thread previously concerning this serious issue and error in thought.

I have rejected Calvinism since I was the one flooding this forum with the reformers teachings and now wish I didn't.
Blessings
J.
 

ChristisGod

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I believe this form Calvinism was not actually taught by the original John. John preached 'faith before regeneration' as I read his words. Now some others later on, who followed his teachings, did reverse this 'order' and I believe most get confused today believing it is the original Calvinism by John. I believe I already posted on this thread previously concerning this serious issue and error in thought.
Yes you are right modern Calvinists deny many things Calvin actually believed and taught.
 
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Lambano

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I have rejected Calvinism since I was the one flooding this forum with the reformers teachings and now wish I didn't.
Blessings
J.
Johann, it is unusual for someone to make such a radical theological change after only few weeks. (And perhaps I was wrong in biting back at what I perceived to be an insult.) Can you explain what your thought process was? You mentioned issues with TULIP, and the question of whether faith precedes regeneration. What was going through your heart?
 
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Johann, it is unusual for someone to make such a radical theological change after only few weeks. (And perhaps I was wrong in biting back at what I perceived to be an insult.) Can you explain what your thought process was? You mentioned issues with TULIP, and the question of whether faith precedes regeneration. What was going through your heart?

That was a genuine question Lambano. The question of whether faith preceded regeneration or regeneration faith.
I was exposed to Calvinistic teachings about two years ago and since then had no peace of mind.
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Lambano

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That was a genuine question Lambano. The question of whether faith preceded regeneration or regeneration faith.
I was exposed to Calvinistic teachings about two years ago and since then had no peace of mind.
J.
What unsettled you about the Calvinist doctrine?
 

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I have rejected Calvinism since I was the one flooding this forum with the reformers teachings and now wish I didn't.
Blessings
J.
Were you growing or being prepared to grow? Consider what Saul of Tarsis was doing before he met Jesus on the road to Damascus! He grew and as led by God wrote most of today's NT.