The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[Moriah's Song]

answer how the prophesies I listed above can be fulfilled without a new Temple.

That's easy! THEY HAVE BEEN FULFILLED! ARE YOU SAYING JESUS LIED ABOUT FULFILLING ALL THAT THE FATHER GAVE HIM????

Mat 26:56...But all this has taken place, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples forsook him and fled.

Luk 24:44...Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled."​

 

[Moriah's Song]

However judging people's motives and actions are Scriptural principles.

Revealing heresies is not a sin....it is commanded to do so as in my earlier post if you look for it.

 

[ewq1938]

Not meaningless, as it demonstrates that a number that you were adamant is literal, is in fact figurative.

It can have a literal meaning though. Didn't you read it's definition?

 

[Moriah's Song]

answer how the prophesies I listed above can be fulfilled without a new Temple.

Post # 351 did a good job on your question.

 

[covenantee]

It can have a literal meaning though. Didn't you read it's definition?

Literal in Matthew 18:24, Acts 19:19, and Revelation 9:16.

Figurative in 1 Corinthians 4:15, 1 Corinthians 14:19, Jude 1:14, and Revelation 5:11.

 

[ewq1938]

Figurative in 1 Corinthians 4:15, 1 Corinthians 14:19,

An argument that these are literal can be made.

Jude 1:14, and Revelation 5:11.

These are definitely unknown numbers. You are confusing unknown amounts with figurative speech. These aren't figurative.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

"ten thousand times ten thousand" is literal because we can use math to find the exact number. However "and thousands of thousands" is truly an unknown amount because it's thousands plural. This is a literal number combined to an unknown number.

 

[covenantee]

An argument that these are literal can be made.

Not by Strong/Thayer.

These are definitely unknown numbers. You are confusing unknown amounts with figurative speech. These aren't figurative.

They are numbers representing large indeterminate quantities.

So they are not literal.

So they are figurative.

 

[ewq1938]

Not by Strong/Thayer.

Wrong:

G3463
μύριοι
murioi
moo'-ree-oi
Plural of an apparently primary word (properly meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension innumerably many: - ten thousand.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

G3463
μύριοι
murioi
Thayer Definition:
1) innumerable, countless
2) ten thousand
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many)



It can mean exactly 10k, or a lot more.

They are numbers representing large indeterminate quantities.

So they are not literal.

So they are figurative.

That's not what figurative means. An unknown number is simply not known. Figurative is when a horn represents a kingdom. That's figurative.

Why do I have to explain what words mean and show that you are wrong on the Strongs and Thayer? I assume you don't even read them? How else can you make so many mistakes?

 

[Keraz]

That's easy! THEY HAVE BEEN FULFILLED! ARE YOU SAYING JESUS LIED ABOUT FULFILLING ALL THAT THE FATHER GAVE HIM????

Mat 26:56...But all this has taken place, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples forsook him and fled.

Luk 24:44...Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled."​

Every thing Written about Jesus will be fulfilled. So far the prophesies of His first Advent have and we await His Return for the rest.
These prophesies have no record of having happened yet:
2 Thessalonian 2:3-4.... a wicked man in human form will raise himself up against every object of worship and even enthrones himself in God's Temple, claiming to be God.
Revelation 11:1-3 I was given a measuring rod and told to measure the Temple of God and to count the worshippers....the outer court has been given over to the ungodly people and they will desecrate it for 42 months.

People who can't see the great changes about to come upon the world, are in the dark and unprepared for it.
This is not the way we Christiane should be. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

 

[Keraz]

They are numbers representing large indeterminate quantities.

So they are not literal.

So they are figurative.

This question revolves around the thousand years, as mentioned six times in Revelation 20.
Those who have bought into the theory of AMillenniumism have to make that period cover nearly 2000 years. Which is an untenable stretch. The Bible prophesies are just not that flexible.

That the one thousand years of Rev 20, is exactly that, is proved by the 6 exact 1000 year periods of human history that have passed so far. We are actually at the 5991 +/- 1 or 2 years since Adam. Only the final thousand years will remain when Jesus Returns; finishing a God Week with a Sabbath, a seventh period.

AMill is a crock, a false theory which is error from all aspects. It is plainly impossible for Jesus to be reigning now.

 

[Timtofly]

Revealing heresies is not a sin....it is commanded to do so as in my earlier post if you look for it.

So far the only heresy has been your denial of God's Word. I doubt you will condemn yourself, but your words and actions do.

You can quote Scripture well, as all heretics can. It is the Scripture you deny that gets you into hot water.

 

[covenantee]

Wrong:

G3463
μύριοι
murioi
moo'-ree-oi
Plural of an apparently primary word (properly meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension innumerably many: - ten thousand.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

G3463
μύριοι
murioi
Thayer Definition:
1) innumerable, countless
2) ten thousand
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many)



It can mean exactly 10k, or a lot more.





That's not what figurative means. An unknown number is simply not known. Figurative is when a horn represents a kingdom. That's figurative.

Why do I have to explain what words mean and show that you are wrong on the Strongs and Thayer? I assume you don't even read them? How else can you make so many mistakes?

Wrong.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3463: μυρίος

μυρίος, μύρια, μυριον (from Homer down);
1. innumerable, countless (A. V. ten thousand): 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 14:19.

The semantically recognized converse of "literal" is "figurative", or, synonymously, "symbolic" or "metaphoric".

Not "an unknown number".

Why are you having problems with basic English comprehension?

 

[ewq1938]

Wrong.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3463: μυρίος

μυρίος, μύρια, μυριον (from Homer down);
1. innumerable, countless (A. V. ten thousand): 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 14:19.

The semantically recognized converse of "literal" is "figurative", or, synonymously, "symbolic" or "metaphoric".

Not "an unknown number".

Why are you having problems with basic English comprehension?

I'm not the one with the problem. You are also being dishonest by not posting the full definition:


G3463 - myrios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nkjv)

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS G3463:
μυρίος, μύρια, μυριον (from Homer down);
1. innumerable, countless (A. V. ten thousand): 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 14:19.
2. with the accent drawn back (cf. Alexander Buttmann (1873) Ausf. Sprchl. § 70 Anm. 15, vol. 1:278; Passow, under the word at the end; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, III.)), μύριοι, μύριαι, μύρια, ten thousand: Matthew 18:24.


You intentionally left out part 2 of the definition where "ten thousand" is clearly written.. Shame on you. Welcome to my ignore list where dishonest people go!

 

[Truman]

The church is the Israel of God...dream on!

 

[covenantee]

I'm not the one with the problem. You are also being dishonest by not posting the full definition:


G3463 - myrios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nkjv)

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS G3463:
μυρίος, μύρια, μυριον (from Homer down);
1. innumerable, countless (A. V. ten thousand): 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 14:19.
2. with the accent drawn back (cf. Alexander Buttmann (1873) Ausf. Sprchl. § 70 Anm. 15, vol. 1:278; Passow, under the word at the end; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, III.)), μύριοι, μύριαι, μύρια, ten thousand: Matthew 18:24.


You intentionally left out part 2 of the definition where "ten thousand" is clearly written.. Shame on you. Welcome to my ignore list where dishonest people go!

In post 368 you intentionally omitted this line, which contains the definition that specifically applies to the Scriptures under discussion:

1. innumerable, countless (A. V. ten thousand): 1 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 14:19.

Why did you omit it?

 

[Moriah's Song]

Every thing Written about Jesus will be fulfilled.

You talk like the Jews of the time of Jesus.
Rom 11:8...as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."

 

[Moriah's Song]

So far the only heresy has been your denial of God's Word. I doubt you will condemn yourself, but your words and actions do.

You can quote Scripture well, as all heretics can. It is the Scripture you deny that gets you into hot water.

Lots of bully talk but nothing specific. So instead of huffing-and-puffing let's get specific as to which "heresy" in my list from post #324 below would you like to deny?

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Any belief system that would bring Christ back to earth for a re-do of what he already accomplished 2,000 years ago is heretical.

1- To bring back Christ to a literal temple when He has said multiple times that his temple is spiritual and not literal is heresy.
2- To bring back Christ for a redo of OT sacrifices when he was the ultimate sacrifice on the cross is heresy.
3- To separate the Jews from the Christians in the body of Christ when Christ brought both into one body is heresy.
4- To "rapture" the church to avoid tribulation is nothing but whiners thinking they are above trials and tribulations and therefore it is heresy.
5- To claim the New Covenant is for the Jews at a later time is heresy.
6- The belief that Jews can still be saved without believing in Jesus is heresy.
7- The belief that the Pope is the head of the Church while it is on Earth as well as the vicar of Christ and the veneration of Mary is heretical.
8- Roman Catholicism violates scripture in its doctrine of salvation, its claims about its authority, its apostolic succession, its priesthood, and its claim to have the sole right to interpret Scripture is heresy.

 

[Truth7t7]

The church is the Israel of God...dream on!

The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed!

 

[Keraz]

You talk like the Jews of the time of Jesus.
Rom 11:8...as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."

You nailed it!
That is the problem, the reason for the hopeless misunderstandings of the Bible Prophesies. Jesus said; the wisdom of the wise will be taken away, Matthew 11:25, Isaiah 29:9-12 says those who believe in false theories will become locked into them and Daniel 12:10 tells us that only a few people will understand God's plans in the end times.
The few who stick solely to the Prophetic Word as it is Written, the general sequence of Revelation.

 

[Truth7t7]

You nailed it!
That is the problem, the reason for the hopeless misunderstandings of the Bible Prophesies. Jesus said; the wisdom of the wise will be taken away, Matthew 11:25, Isaiah 29:9-12 says those who believe in false theories will become locked into them and Daniel 12:10 tells us that only a few people will understand God's plans in the end times.
The few who stick solely to the Prophetic Word as it is Written, the general sequence of Revelation.

Your team has missed the few people that will understand!

British Anglo Israelism, coupled with your Solar Blast as God's fire in judgement, all believers are magically transported to Jerusalem?

Eschatology in a fairy tale, sorta like filming Lord of the rings in New Zealand, where do you live?