Timing of the abomination of desolation

[Timtofly]

The Olivet discourse was primarily about 70 AD, confirmed by the flight of the Judean Christians, and fulfillment of the other signs of those times predicted by Jesus.

Jesus knew more than Josephus.

Jesus and Josephus knew more than any dispensational futurist.

So, thankfully, did the Judean Christians.

The flight out of Jerusalem and Judea happened 3 years before 70AD. So not about 70AD at all.

You only know about 70AD, because you read Josephus, not God's Word. God's Word is not about 70AD. God's Word describes future events when the fulness of the Gentiles has been terminated by God.

First you said Josephus never talked to a single Christian, and now Josephus knows more than all Christians? Josephus experienced 70AD. Josephus wrote a history of His people based on reading God's Word. Obviously if any human Christian or no, just repeats what they hear, instead of actually reading God's Word for themselves, of course Josephus knows more than they do. Josephus read the Old Testament.

Your opinion is that the OD is primarily about an event in 70AD. Yet the only thing mentioned in the OD happened in 66AD. That is the extent of one verse in Luke. Matthew does not mention anything about 70AD, period. The OD is about the Second Coming.

 

[Timtofly]

Verifiable historical fulfillments of Matthew 24.

You do realize that 70AD did not stop all this long list of predictions. All of this has been and is still ongoing today. So 70AD was not the end. It was not even the beginning. It was another city destroyed like hundreds have been over the past 1992 years. The end will be when all this stuff stops happening.

 

[Timtofly]

No the temple is not in Armegeddon.

Which temple? The "temple" is currently not anywhere.

 

[ScottA]

You should lighten up on the bottle.

For the record.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It's right there in the gospel for everyone to see if they would accept his word. It's not a secret.

John 18:20 "I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus answered. "I always taught in the synagogues and at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.

No it isn't per your interpretation! As it is written yes, as you have reinterpreted it, NO!

 

[covenantee]

The flight out of Jerusalem and Judea happened 3 years before 70AD. So not about 70AD at all.

You only know about 70AD, because you read Josephus, not God's Word. God's Word is not about 70AD. God's Word describes future events when the fulness of the Gentiles has been terminated by God.

First you said Josephus never talked to a single Christian, and now Josephus knows more than all Christians? Josephus experienced 70AD. Josephus wrote a history of His people based on reading God's Word. Obviously if any human Christian or no, just repeats what they hear, instead of actually reading God's Word for themselves, of course Josephus knows more than they do. Josephus read the Old Testament.

Your opinion is that the OD is primarily about an event in 70AD. Yet the only thing mentioned in the OD happened in 66AD. That is the extent of one verse in Luke. Matthew does not mention anything about 70AD, period. The OD is about the Second Coming.

Tell the Judean Christians that they should have been dispensational futurists and allowed themselves to be slaughtered.

 

[covenantee]

You do realize that 70AD did not stop all this long list of predictions. All of this has been and is still ongoing today. So 70AD was not the end. It was not even the beginning. It was another city destroyed like hundreds have been over the past 1992 years. The end will be when all this stuff stops happening.

If there is evidence proving Jesus' predictions wrong, please present it.

Try addressing the mountains of indisputable historical evidence instead of attempting to rationalize the fantasies, fallacies, and failures of dispensational futurism.

 

[shilohsfoal]

No it isn't per your interpretation! As it is written yes, as you have reinterpreted it, NO!

I don't need to interpret it. He said openly for all to hear.He quoted the book of Daniel and that said it all.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

There you have it.

 

[Davy]

This cannot work. Matthew 24:15-20 is one event 42 months:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) . Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"

The colon separates that last event from an event that has to happen first. Matthew 24:21-28:

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

The days of the GT will be shortened. The days of desolation from the AoD are 42 months and cannot be shortened.

There is not a GT after the 42 months. The GT is not the 42 months. The GT happens first and is shortened.

You shouldn't say things like 'this cannot work'. The Matthew 24:15-28 verses are ALL "great tribulation" timing, which is the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week".

The 70 'weeks' of Daniel 9 represent periods of 'sevens'. In the Hebrew it actually uses the idea of 'sevens'. The KJV used the idea of a 'week' to represent one 'seven'. Each 'week' thus represents a period of SEVEN YEARS. Based on the already fulfilled parts of the 70 weeks prophecy, this is also proven about the idea of a symbolic 'week' equaling a period of seven years.

In the Daniel 9:27 verse, the "abomination of desolation" is setup in the MIDDLE of that "one week" (7 years). So what is HALF of a seven year period? 1260 days, or 3.5 years, or 42 months, or a time, times, and half a time.

THUSLY... at Matthew 24:15 with the setting up of the "abomination of desolation" idol, that represents the MIDDLE of Daniel's "one week" of Daniel 9:27, and thus STARTS the "great tribulation" time of 1260 days.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't need to interpret it. He said openly for all to hear.He quoted the book of Daniel and that said it all.

Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.

There you have it.

Well as we were not talking about the great trib, but your dates and naming of the aod etc. This post is irrelavent.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Well as we were not talking about the great trib, but your dates and naming of the aod etc. This post is irrelavent.

The subject Jesus is talking about is the abomination of desolation. He states FOR AT THAT TIME there shall be great distress, unmatched from the beginning of the world untill now, or ever shall be.
AT THAT TIME.
Jesus just said when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem. Now look where Daniel says there shall be great distress unmatched to that time.Daniel even says AT THAT TIME in the verse and other things that take place AT THAT TIME.Not a year from then and not two but AT THAT TIME.

If you would pay attention to what Jesus says, you could learn from him.

 

[Timtofly]

Tell the Judean Christians that they should have been dispensational futurists and allowed themselves to be slaughtered.

You are completely missing the point. Probably should not flee when it actually happens either then, with your logic?

 

[Timtofly]

If there is evidence proving Jesus' predictions wrong, please present it.

Try addressing the mountains of indisputable historical evidence instead of attempting to rationalize the fantasies, fallacies, and failures of dispensational futurism.

I have considered the mountains of historical evidence that more redeemed have been martyred after 70AD, than prior to or in 70AD.

 

[Timtofly]

You shouldn't say things like 'this cannot work'. The Matthew 24:15-28 verses are ALL "great tribulation" timing, which is the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week".

The 70 'weeks' of Daniel 9 represent periods of 'sevens'. In the Hebrew it actually uses the idea of 'sevens'. The KJV used the idea of a 'week' to represent one 'seven'. Each 'week' thus represents a period of SEVEN YEARS. Based on the already fulfilled parts of the 70 weeks prophecy, this is also proven about the idea of a symbolic 'week' equaling a period of seven years.

In the Daniel 9:27 verse, the "abomination of desolation" is setup in the MIDDLE of that "one week" (7 years). So what is HALF of a seven year period? 1260 days, or 3.5 years, or 42 months, or a time, times, and half a time.

THUSLY... at Matthew 24:15 with the setting up of the "abomination of desolation" idol, that represents the MIDDLE of Daniel's "one week" of Daniel 9:27, and thus STARTS the "great tribulation" time of 1260 days.

The later half of the 70th week is during the Seals, Trumpets, and Thunders. The 42 months after the GT and 7th Trumpet is Satan's time, not the GT.

 

[Marty fox]

The Olivet discourse was primarily about 70 AD, confirmed by the flight of the Judean Christians, and fulfillment of the other signs of those times predicted by Jesus.

Jesus knew more than Josephus.

Jesus and Josephus knew more than any dispensational futurist.

So, thankfully, did the Judean Christians.

Amen Jesus made a prediction with a date attached to it and it happened within that generation proving without a doubt that He is God

 

[covenantee]

You are completely missing the point. Probably should not flee when it actually happens either then, with your logic?

As dispensational futurists, they'd be too dead to flee.

 

[covenantee]

I have considered the mountains of historical evidence that more redeemed have been martyred after 70AD, than prior to or in 70AD.

Awaiting your evidence that Jesus' predictions were wrong.

 

[Timtofly]

Awaiting your evidence that Jesus' predictions were wrong.

They have not all been fulfilled yet. All humans are still waiting.

 

[covenantee]

They have not all been fulfilled yet. All humans are still waiting.

Opinion is not evidence.

You'll have to do better.

History tells us that they were fulfilled.

The Judean Christians tell us that they were fulfilled.

I'm not waiting.

 

[Truth7t7]

Amen Jesus made a prediction with a date attached to it and it happened within that generation proving without a doubt that He is God

Jesus put no date to anything, he clearly stated it was a "Future Generation" that would witness his "Second Comig"

You deny the second coming is seen in Matthew 24:30, and sluff this scriptural truth off as a 70AD judgement upon Israel, false predictions in preterism 100%