The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[ewq1938]

Justin Martyr, 100 - 165, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew

"I and many others are of this opinion [premillennialism], and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

He was referring to amils, more than a century before Gaius.

He could have been speaking about others as well.

 

[covenantee]

He could have been speaking about others as well.

Such as?

 

[ewq1938]

Such as?

Post the entire thing so we can see if any clues are there.

 

[covenantee]

Post the entire thing so we can see if any clues are there.

"And Trypho to this replied, “I remarked to you sir, that you are very anxious to be safe in all respects, since you cling to the Scriptures. But tell me, do you really admit that this place, Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came? or have you given way, and admitted this in order to have the appearance of worsting us in the controversies?”
Then I answered, “I am not so miserable a fellow, Trypho, as to say one thing and think another. I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise. Moreover, I pointed out to you that some who are called Christians, but are godless, impious heretics, teach doctrines that are in every way blasphemous, atheistical, and foolish. But that you may know that I do not say this before you alone, I shall draw up a statement, so far as I can, of all the arguments which have passed between us; in which I shall record myself as admitting the very same things which I admit to you. For I choose to follow not men or men’s doctrines, but God and the doctrines [delivered] by Him. For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit this [truth], and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; who say there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians, even as one, if he would rightly consider it, would not admit that the Sadducees, or similar sects of Genistæ, Meristæ, Galilæans, Hellenists, Pharisees, Baptists, are Jews (do not hear me impatiently when I tell you what I think), but are [only] called Jews and children of Abraham, worshipping God with the lips, as God Himself declared, but the heart was far from Him. But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare."

 

[Timtofly]

No Tim, post #227 you disagreed with Spiritual Israelite's denial of a 1,000 year millennium and that Zec 14 says there will be a 1,000 year millennium. I simply asked for that verse in Zech. 14. Can't you do that simple thing?

Not my words, but your insistence that Zechariah 14 is current reality. How many nations are currently being cursed because they do not go up to Jerusalem each year?

Why does the number 1,000 have to be used every time in Scripture to define a particular scenario on earth? Did you reign with Christ the last 1992 years? Why not? You should have. You did not need the number 1,000 preventing you.

 

[ewq1938]

"But tell me, do you really admit that this place, Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came?"

Here is the questions that Trypho wants answered. Here is the answer:

"I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

He says yes to the questions but remarks there are Christians who don't believe that Jerusalem shall be rebuilt, those people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of that nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ will come.


Doesn't appear to have anything do with Amillennialism. He later mentions the thousand years but does not mention anyone who didn't agree with that. Had he mentioned anyone who disagreed with the thousand years, or had he earlier in the quote mention the thousand years then that would solve this easily but for now, I don't think we can move the thousand years at the end up to the beginning. In the beginning, the thousand years are not mentioned. I also know that none of the very early church fathers were anything other than Chiliasts.

Giaus was likely not the first Amill but I don't know of any writing earlier than his lifetime that espouse Amillennialism nor anyone named as being one. Either way, Amillennialism is a later doctrine than Chiliasm.

Another thing is as a Premillennialist, I don't even agree with this whole "Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came"

He thinks Jerusalem would be full of Christians before the second coming and that clearly isn't the case nor is that found anywhere in prophecy. Only after the second coming will that be true, but not before it so I'm a fit for someone who is a true Christians but disagreeing with his understanding of what Jerusalem will look like pre-second coming.

"And Trypho to this replied, “I remarked to you sir, that you are very anxious to be safe in all respects, since you cling to the Scriptures. But tell me, do you really admit that this place, Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came? or have you given way, and admitted this in order to have the appearance of worsting us in the controversies?”
Then I answered, “I am not so miserable a fellow, Trypho, as to say one thing and think another. I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise. Moreover, I pointed out to you that some who are called Christians, but are godless, impious heretics, teach doctrines that are in every way blasphemous, atheistical, and foolish. But that you may know that I do not say this before you alone, I shall draw up a statement, so far as I can, of all the arguments which have passed between us; in which I shall record myself as admitting the very same things which I admit to you. For I choose to follow not men or men’s doctrines, but God and the doctrines [delivered] by Him. For if you have fallen in with some who are called Christians, but who do not admit this [truth], and venture to blaspheme the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; who say there is no resurrection of the dead, and that their souls, when they die, are taken to heaven; do not imagine that they are Christians, even as one, if he would rightly consider it, would not admit that the Sadducees, or similar sects of Genistæ, Meristæ, Galilæans, Hellenists, Pharisees, Baptists, are Jews (do not hear me impatiently when I tell you what I think), but are [only] called Jews and children of Abraham, worshipping God with the lips, as God Himself declared, but the heart was far from Him. But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare."

 

[Timtofly]

You forgot the most important verses, Big Smiles!

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You forgot that trillions of angels are going to leave heaven and come to earth. All those stars falling to earth will make it seem like the end of the world, when it is just the beginning of the great tribulation.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

 

[Timtofly]

Be honest with yourself and the forum, there's no 1,000 year gap between the two resurrections seen below as you claim.

Be honest with yourself and prove there were no years between the Cross and the Second Coming. You claim no gap of time period between the Cross and even now. Since time still marches on, and we still wait for the Second Coming. You declare a gap, no? If there is no gap, then the Cross happened an hour ago and keeps happening after every hour since then if there is no gap.

 

[Truth7t7]

You forgot that trillions of angels are going to leave heaven and come to earth. All those stars falling to earth will make it seem like the end of the world, when it is just the beginning of the great tribulation.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

His angels will be sent to gather, in the catching up and resurrection of believers

Literal stars will fall from heaven as a sign of the Lord's return

Amazing how one can totally miss a simple and basic interpretation of scripture

 

[covenantee]

"But tell me, do you really admit that this place, Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came?"

Here is the questions that Trypho wants answered. Here is the answer:

"I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

He says yes to the questions but remarks there are Christians who don't believe that Jerusalem shall be rebuilt, those people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of that nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ will come.


Doesn't appear to have anything do with Amillennialism. He later mentions the thousand years but does not mention anyone who didn't agree with that. Had he mentioned anyone who disagreed with the thousand years, or had he earlier in the quote mention the thousand years then that would solve this easily but for now, I don't think we can move the thousand years at the end up to the beginning. In the beginning, the thousand years are not mentioned. I also know that none of the very early church fathers were anything other than Chiliasts.

Giaus was likely not the first Amill but I don't know of any writing earlier than his lifetime that espouse Amillennialism nor anyone named as being one. Either way, Amillennialism is a later doctrine than Chiliasm.

Another thing is as a Premillennialist, I don't even agree with this whole "Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together, and made joyful with Christ and the patriarchs, and the prophets, both the men of our nation, and other proselytes who joined them before your Christ came"

He thinks Jerusalem would be full of Christians before the second coming and that clearly isn't the case nor is that found anywhere in prophecy. Only after the second coming will that be true, but not before it so I'm a fit for someone who is a true Christians but disagreeing with his understanding of what Jerusalem will look like pre-second coming.

If Justin Martyr was referring to a group other than amils who "think otherwise", I'd be interested to know who that group would be.

 

[Timtofly]

Justin Martyr, 100 - 165, Dialogue with Trypho the Jew

"I and many others are of this opinion [premillennialism], and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

He was referring to amils, more than a century before Gaius.

Or post mill. The only reason Augustine supported a non physical millennium was because some were stressing the physical aspect, not because of the 1,000 year time frame. He was influenced by Tyconius who we know very little about. The amil argument then, had nothing to do with the length of time, nor even the chronological order of Revelation. The argument was purely between a physical or spiritual state.

So most early Christians claimed Jesus would come physically and set up a physical kingdom.

To think Christians within the first 200 years could not distinguish between a physical and spiritual reign is ridiculous. Then they started to even question if Jesus was God or not. By the time Augustine came along, they were more open to just viewing this coming kingdom as already there in the spiritual sense. There was no need to keep looking for a physical kingdom. Especially since people kept dying and generations kept coming and going without a return.

Still all this theology does not change Scripture one iota. John claimed a future 1,000 year reign, and it has not started yet. John never claimed it started at the Cross with the resurrection of John the Baptist, and only John the Baptist would be raised and reign with Christ while all others would have to wait for thousands of years. Nor was it implied.

 

[ewq1938]

If Justin Martyr was referring to a group other than amils who "think otherwise", I'd be interested to know who that group would be.

Like I said, I disagree with the beliefs presented so I fall under those who "think otherwise" and I am Premillennial.

 

[Keraz]

Jerusalem would be full of Christians before the second coming and that clearly isn't the case nor is that found anywhere in prophecy.

Seems that you have miss-read rather a lot of Prophecy:
Ezekiel 36:13 I shall lead My sheep out of the nations, gather them from the different lands and bring them to their own country.

Hosea 11:10-11 My people will follow Me when I roar, My sons will come speedily and I will settle them on their own homes.

Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call My people home. Though dispersed in far off lands, I will call for them and lead them into Gilead and Lebanon until there is no more room.

Psalms 50:5 Gather to Me, My loyal servants, those who by sacrifice have made a covenant with Me.

Isaiah 41:1-10 Listen in silence, you coasts and islands, together we go to the place of judgement. Israel, My servants summoned from the ends of the earth, have no fear, you will be strengthened and helped by My Right Hand. [Jesus]

Isaiah 49:8-23 They are coming, some from far away. My people, not forgotten, they are inscribed on the palms of My hands. All of them, assembling flooding back to the Land. The nations will bear your children in their arms. So many that the place is too cramped. None who look to Me will be disappointed.

Zephaniah 3:16-20 On that Day; fear not, the Lord your God is in your midst [not visible – the same as in the first Exodus. 1 Cor. 9:4] and will keep you safe. I will rescue the lost, gather the dispersed and bring you home.

Isaiah 27:13 On the Day, a great trumpet will sound and those lost in Assyria, [the 10 tribes] and those exiled in Egypt [the Jews] will come to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 60:1-9 Arise and shine, Jerusalem, your sons and daughters are coming from afar, sailing along like clouds in vessels from the coasts and islands, returning your children from distant places, to the honor of the Lord, for He has given you the glory.

Jeremiah 31:8-9 See how the Lord gathers His people from the far ends of the earth, among them; the blind and the lame, children and pregnant women. A vast company, they return, weeping as they come, but I will comfort them and lead them by streams of water.

Psalms 107:103 Those who were redeemed by the Lord and gathered from the North, West, East and the South, will say: Give thanks to the Lord, for His love endures forever!

These people are the faithful Christians, peoples from every race, nation and language. Their new nation will be called Beulah, established at least 7+ years before Jesus Returns. It is with them that the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt will make a 7 year peace treaty.
THEY: We Christians will live in all of the holy Land; We will build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15
More prophetic truths on the thread; The Gathering of God's People.

 

[ewq1938]

Not a single NT verse.

Here is the state of Jerusalem and it's people during the second coming:


Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

Seems that you have miss-read rather a lot of Prophecy:
Ezekiel 36:13 I shall lead My sheep out of the nations, gather them from the different lands and bring them to their own country.

Hosea 11:10-11 My people will follow Me when I roar, My sons will come speedily and I will settle them on their own homes.

Zechariah 10:8-10 I shall whistle to call My people home. Though dispersed in far off lands, I will call for them and lead them into Gilead and Lebanon until there is no more room.

Psalms 68:17 There were thousands of chariots when the Lord came in His holiness.

Psalms 50:5 Gather to Me, My loyal servants, those who by sacrifice have made a covenant with Me.

Isaiah 41:1-10 Listen in silence, you coasts and islands, together we go to the place of judgement. Israel, My servants summoned from the ends of the earth, have no fear, you will be strengthened and helped by My Right Hand. [Jesus]

Isaiah 49:8-23 They are coming, some from far away. My people, not forgotten, they are inscribed on the palms of My hands. All of them, assembling flooding back to the Land. The nations will bear your children in their arms. So many that the place is too cramped. None who look to Me will be disappointed.

Zephaniah 3:16-20 On that Day; fear not, the Lord your God is in your midst [not visible – the same as in the first Exodus. 1 Cor. 9:4] and will keep you safe. I will rescue the lost, gather the dispersed and bring you home.

Isaiah 27:13 On the Day, a great trumpet will sound and those lost in Assyria, [the 10 tribes] and those exiled in Egypt [the Jews] will come to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 60:1-9 Arise and shine, Jerusalem, your sons and daughters are coming from afar, sailing along like clouds in vessels from the coasts and islands, returning your children from distant places, to the honor of the Lord, for He has given you the glory.

Jeremiah 31:8-9 See how the Lord gathers His people from the far ends of the earth, among them; the blind and the lame, children and pregnant women. A vast company, they return, weeping as they come, but I will comfort them and lead them by streams of water.

Psalms 107:103 Those who were redeemed by the Lord and gathered from the North, West, East and the South, will say: Give thanks to the Lord, for His love endures forever!

These people are the faithful Christians, peoples from every race, nation and language. Their new nation will be called Beulah, established at least 7+ years before Jesus Returns. It is with them that the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt will make a 7 year peace treaty.
THEY: We Christians will live in all of the holy Land; We will build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15
More prophetic truths on the thread; The Gathering of God's People.

 

[Keraz]

Not a single NT verse.

So; you just lightly dismiss the OT Prophesies?

Romans 9:24-26.......in the very place which I said to them, [the Israelites] You are not My people, it shall be said to them, [the Christian peoples, 1 Peter 2:9-10] you are the children of the Living God.

Also in Revelation 12:6-17, is is plain that the Christian peoples are gathered in one place, which has to be the holy Land. Half of then are taken to a place of safety, Rev 12:14, and the other half remain, Rev 12:17 and Zechariah 14:2

 

[Moriah's Song]

Not my words, but your insistence that Zechariah 14 is current reality. How many nations are currently being cursed because they do not go up to Jerusalem each year?

Why does the number 1,000 have to be used every time in Scripture to define a particular scenario on earth? Did you reign with Christ the last 1992 years? Why not? You should have. You did not need the number 1,000 preventing you.

Why don't you just admit that there is NO reference to a 1,000 year millennium in Zec. 14?

There really is no need for a literal 1,000 year millennium anyway because there will be no "new temple" on earth before the second coming of Christ on the last day- Judgment Day. Scripture is clear that Christ will not return to any temple that is built by the Jews in Jerusalem....

Is 66:1 - Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? (Same verse used in Acts 7:48-49)

Mar 14:58 - "We heard him say, 'I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.'"

John 4:21 - Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
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There is only one way to take these verses and that is "LITERALLY" if you wish to be honest with scripture. Without Christ's desire for a temple to return to there is no need for a "literal" 1,000 year millennium now is there? And if there is no need for another temple, and no 1,000 year millennium, then there also in no need for a "rapture" of the church is there? That leaves all other views as false except the Amill view!

 

[Truth7t7]

There really is no need for a literal 1,000 year millennium anyway because there will be no "new temple" on earth before the second coming of Christ on the last day- Judgment Day. Scripture is clear that Christ will not return to any temple that is built by the Jews in Jerusalem....

Is 66:1 - Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? (Same verse used in Acts 7:48-49)

Mar 14:58 - "We heard him say, 'I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.'"

John 4:21 - Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
​

There is only one way to take these verses and that is "LITERALLY" if you wish to be honest with scripture. Without Christ's desire for a temple to return to there is no need for a "literal" 1,000 year millennium now is there? And if there is no need for another temple, and no 1,000 year millennium, then there also in no need for a "rapture" of the church is there? That leaves all other views as false except the Amill view!

Scripture strongly suggest a future temple with actual animal sacrifice, a clear abomination to the finished work on Calvary

Only two places in the KJV the world "delusion" is used, and they are both associated to a temple, Isaiah 66:4 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Timtofly]

His angels will be sent to gather, in the catching up and resurrection of believers

Literal stars will fall from heaven as a sign of the Lord's return

Amazing how one can totally miss a simple and basic interpretation of scripture

So why deny all those stars are the angels coming to earth that will still exist? It is is the sudden overwhelming movement of trillions of angels coming to earth, that produces this phenomenon the heavens and the earth being destroyed by fire. While all the works of mankind will be burned up as well. Then you claim people will be watching it all on TV. How if every work of man will be burned up? How is that a quiet Second Coming?

This is not even Armageddon. No angels are mentioned at Armageddon, but Satan. This is not Satan marching across the earth and his human army consumed by fire. How would Satan know to march across the earth at the exact moment of the Second Coming? Is Satan forcing God to start the Second Coming? Chapter and verse please where Satan forces the Second Coming.

 

[Timtofly]

Why don't you just admit that there is NO reference to a 1,000 year millennium in Zec. 14?

There really is no need for a literal 1,000 year millennium anyway because there will be no "new temple" on earth before the second coming of Christ on the last day- Judgment Day. Scripture is clear that Christ will not return to any temple that is built by the Jews in Jerusalem....

Is 66:1 - Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? (Same verse used in Acts 7:48-49)

Mar 14:58 - "We heard him say, 'I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.'"

John 4:21 - Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
​

There is only one way to take these verses and that is "LITERALLY" if you wish to be honest with scripture. Without Christ's desire for a temple to return to there is no need for a "literal" 1,000 year millennium now is there? And if there is no need for another temple, and no 1,000 year millennium, then there also in no need for a "rapture" of the church is there? That leaves all other views as false except the Amill view!

Why don't you just admit the prophecy in Zechariah 14 has never been fulfilled? You have offered no evidence, but your own personal opinion that God is not capable of keeping His promises as they are not a necessity to you.

I have never mentioned a need at all. I am just pointing out simple facts. It is not even an argument or debate to me. It is simply written in God's Word. You are the one denying that truth, and turning the point into a non-existent argument. Then you demand evidence, that you yourself concoct in your head.

Why would you think the church is not caught up? Are you saying all humans, even Christians are going to be burned to a crisp? Amil's burnt sacrifice of a kingdom handed back to God is for what reason?

Matthew 25 clearly says Jesus is sitting on his throne after coming to earth. Do you think every word in the Bible is only symbolic?

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

This does not say Jesus has been sitting for 1992 years. This says after Jesus comes with all, all meaning all, His angels. Are you now saying Jesus will never return at all, ever, because there really is no need for any return by your logic. No Scripture is literal to you!

 

[Moriah's Song]

No Tim, post #227 you disagreed with Spiritual Israelite's denial of a 1,000 year millennium and that Zec 14 says there will be a 1,000 year millennium.
Therefore, why don't you just admit that there is NO reference to a 1,000 year millennium in Zec. 14?

Why don't you just admit the prophecy in Zechariah 14 has never been fulfilled?

You just side-stepped the question the way I wrote it which was based on what you had written it in post #227. Your original claim was the Zech. 14 refers to a 1,000 year millennium. Admit that you cannot back up that claim Tim.