John Calvin and Calvinism.

[Lifelong_sinner]

That is right. God does as He pleases. Which means that he doesn't have to do what YOU want Him to do either.

God rejected Cain because he hated his brother. Which ironically, is what Calvinism teaches. It teaches people to hate their brothers in Adam.

Why do you hate Abel?

where does calvinism say to hate anyone??????

 

[praise_yeshua]

But not because someone is better than someone else. That simply has nothing to do with it. We are all as filthy rags.

You don't believe that. You teach that God choose YOU and rejected those just like YOU... that is an oxymoron. Nothing more them empty rethoric to distract from the fact that you're claiming/present God's meritorious action yourself and denying it to others.

 

[praise_yeshua]

maybe not better in holiness, but clearly God choosing who to save shows that He favored some over others.

At least you admit it. That is more than most Calvinists will admit. Must be nice to claim such and deny such to your brother "Abel"....

 

[praise_yeshua]

where does calvinism say to hate anyone??????

I've already told you. Read it again.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Well. Be sure to give him your money and tell others you're serving God. You might as well pay him. He is believing for you.

nothing wrong with tithing. And as far as going to church, you make it sound bad. Why??

 

[praise_yeshua]

No that is not what Calvinism teaches. That's another strawman argument.

Sure it is. You say that you are just a sinner and all are sinners.... and then say that God choose YOU.

That is an oxymoron. God chose Himself in Jesus Christ. Not you. You have replaced God's choice in His Son with YOU...

 

[praise_yeshua]

nothing wrong with tithing. And as far as going to church, you make it sound bad. Why??

I gave up tithing a long time ago and God has done nothing but bless me since. Your "curse" is nonsense.

The storehouse was destroyed. There is nowhere to bring the tithe.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

God loves a cheerful giver. Tithing because you want to, and not because its a tax write off, is how it should be.

 

[reformed1689]

Sure it is. You say that you are just a sinner and all are sinners.... and then say that God choose YOU.

That is an oxymoron. God chose Himself in Jesus Christ. Not you. You have replaced God's choice in His Son with YOU...

What on earth are you talking about, you are literally making no sense. God chose himself??? :

 

[reformed1689]

You don't believe that. You teach that God choose YOU and rejected those just like YOU... that is an oxymoron. Nothing more them empty rethoric to distract from the fact that you're claiming/present God's meritorious action yourself and denying it to others.

How is that me denying anyone anything? I mean seriously, how am I, ME, denying anyone anything? Explain that one.

 

[reformed1689]

maybe not better in holiness, but clearly God choosing who to save shows that He favored some over others.

Right, but not based on anything that individual has done or possesses. No merit of our own.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God loves a cheerful giver. Tithing because you want to, and not because its a tax write off, is how it should be.

Giving money to your choice of assemblies isn't giving to God. It is paying a membership fee to your choice of clubs.

God said to bring the tithe to the "storehouse". That "storehouse" was destroyed over a thousand years ago.

All you have left is man made nonsense in the matter. You're paying your membership fee and claiming prosperity in giving to God.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Right, but not based on anything that individual has done or possesses. No merit of our own.

agreed. My apologies if my comment was confusing.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Right, but not based on anything that individual has done or possesses. No merit of our own.

So God made a choice in YOU and rejected other just LIKE YOU.... and you somehow believe that isn't meritorious?

If that isn't "oceanfront property in Nebraska"... what is?

 

[praise_yeshua]

agreed. My apologies if my comment was confusing.

All either of you are doing is blaming God for the meritorious choice. You can't deny merit in the choice of God. God doesn't chose unworthy things.

God's choice was in His Son Jesus Christ alone. Not in any human being.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Giving money to your choice of assemblies isn't giving to God. It is paying a membership fee to your choice of clubs.

God said to bring the tithe to the "storehouse". That "storehouse" was destroyed over a thousand years ago.

All you have left is man made nonsense in the matter. You're paying your membership fee and claiming prosperity in giving to God.

there is no membership fee. The money that the members tithe to the church goes to help fund missionaries, feed homeless and less fortunate, and other charitable community-based events. We had a coat drive not too long ago for some of the afghani’s that came to my state after the US pulled out of afghanistan. Most churches in my area, regardless of denomination, do a lot of good work to help people out.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What on earth are you talking about, you are literally making no sense. God chose himself??? :

That is correct. God choice in Jesus Christ was a choice in Himself. You're so confused by Calvin you don't even recognize the Holy Trinity when it is right in front of you...... Who you preaching to?

 

[praise_yeshua]

there is no membership fee. The money that the members tithe to the church goes to help fund missionaries, feed homeless and less fortunate, and other charitable community-based events. We had a coat drive not too long ago for some of the afghani’s that came to my state after the US pulled out of afghanistan. Most churches in my area, regardless of denomination, do a lot of good work to help people out.

You give to those you believe merit your gift.

Either way, you can't deny the Scriptures. The tithe is to go to the storehouse. That place is gone and God destroyed it. Your claim of tithing is bogus. It is self serving and empty of Scripture. Much like Calvinism

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

So God made a choice in YOU and rejected other just LIKE YOU.... and you somehow believe that isn't meritorious?

If that isn't "oceanfront property in Nebraska"... what is?

yes, God the Father chose before the universe was created whom He would save, and it was not based on anything that person did or didnt do. See, theres this thing called GRACE, where you receive something good that you dont deserve. Every person deserves hell, but God choose to save a few. UNconditional Election. Meaning not of our deeds, but His.

 

[reformed1689]

That is correct. God choice in Jesus Christ was a choice in Himself. You're so confused by Calvin you don't even recognize the Holy Trinity when it is right in front of you...... Who you preaching to?

Let me ask you this, did God choose to save you or did you choose to be saved by God? Who is in charge here, you or God?

 

[reformed1689]

So God made a choice in YOU and rejected other just LIKE YOU.... and you somehow believe that isn't meritorious?

If that isn't "oceanfront property in Nebraska"... what is?

What was the merit in that? What was the thing about the people he chose that you say makes them better? Nobody is making that argument. It's a strawman argument.