Mary is all powerful!

[Jim B]

Salvation can only come through Jesus. Mary has nothing to do with our salvation. If she hadn't been chosen to birth Jesus then another girl would have been and then theefaith and his friends would probably be talking about Gillian or Julie or Samantha.;)

It's really strange how Catholicism has departed so far from the truths of Scripture that, IMHO, it's almost unrecognizable as Christianity. Numero uno is the exaltation of Mary.

 

[Pearl]

It's really strange how Catholicism has departed so far from the truths of Scripture that, IMHO, it's almost unrecognizable as Christianity. Numero uno is the exaltation of Mary.

I would go so far as to call it a cult.

 

[theefaith]

I'm not sure what that means. i am in Christ I can't get any nearer than that.

you put on Christ?

 

[theefaith]

When I came to Jesus it definitely wasn't through Mary but through the Holy Spirit who revealed the truth to me.

The grace came thru Mary
All graces do

 

[reformed1689]

Yes
I dId not say mary is the mother the divine nature!
But the mother of Jesus who is God!

So Mary is the mother of the human nature of Jesus. Not God. In other words, your whole argument just crumbled to pieces.

 

[reformed1689]

Salvation can only come through Jesus. Mary has nothing to do with our salvation. If she hadn't been chosen to birth Jesus then another girl would have been and then theefaith and his friends would probably be talking about Gillian or Julie or Samantha.;)

Exactly. There is nothing special about Mary at the end of the day. She is just another sinner saved by grace.

 

[theefaith]

Doesn't make it any more true.

Psalm 40:3
And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

Psalm 98:1
O sing unto the Lord a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

what is this new song?

what does it have to do with Mary?

 

[theefaith]

Simeon said "my eyes have seen your salvation". So?

Are you finally understanding that Jesus is our salvation and not Mary?

I never said Mary is our salvation but the means of bringing our salvation and the mother of our salvation!

 

[theefaith]

So Mary is the mother of the human nature of Jesus. Not God. In other words, your whole argument just crumbled to pieces.

The mother of the entire person of Christ who is God
Even scripture demands mother of God! Lk 1:43

 

[theefaith]

Salvation can only come through Jesus. Mary has nothing to do with our salvation. If she hadn't been chosen to birth Jesus then another girl would have been and then theefaith and his friends would probably be talking about Gillian or Julie or Samantha.;)

mary alone is the mother of God!
Mary alone is the handmaid of the Lord!
Mary alone found our salvation!
Mary alone is the mother of our salvation!

 

[theefaith]

So Mary is the mother of the human nature of Jesus. Not God. In other words, your whole argument just crumbled to pieces.

Psalm 40:3
And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

Psalm 98:1
O sing unto the Lord a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

what is this new song? What does it have to do with Mary?

 

[reformed1689]

The mother of the entire person of Christ who is God
Even scripture demands mother of God! Lk 1:43

Oh brother. She is not the mother of God in the way you make it out to be.

 

[theefaith]

Oh brother. She is not the mother of God in the way you make it out to be.

what way is that?

 

[theefaith]

This way?

Mary is our spiritual mother

Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so. There is no requirement to maker her his mother just to take care of her!

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[theefaith]

The CC contradicts my friend . The sooner you learn this for yourself the better .

how?

Be specific focus like a lazer beam

ORIGEN
“But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep” (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]

 

[reformed1689]

Mary alone found our salvation!
Mary alone is the mother of our salvation!

No. JESUS is the author and finisher of our faith. Not Mary.

 

[theefaith]

No. JESUS is the author and finisher of our faith. Not Mary.

that’s true

but explain how Mary found our salvation? Lk 1:30

 

[reformed1689]

what way is that?

As if she has some special status because she gave birth to Jesus when he came to this earth to walk among us. She was a vessel. Nothing more.

 

[theefaith]

No. JESUS is the author and finisher of our faith. Not Mary.

Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

Salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
Mother of Christ Matt 1:16
Mother of the word Jn 1:1
Mother of our savior Matt 1:21
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Our mother Jn 19:26-27

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

 

[theefaith]

As if she has some special status because she gave birth to Jesus when he came to this earth to walk among us. She was a vessel. Nothing more.

the ark of the covenant is just a table?

the temple just another building?