The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

No, not at all.

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Yep. And, as I've pointed out many times to Premils, what is described in Revelation 20:6 has been a reality for Christians since Christ's death and resurrection and still is a current reality both for living Christians and the dead in Christ. So, with that in mind, why insist that it only refers to a future time period?

 

[Keraz]

The First Resurrection, On The Last Day Explained?

Please desist with your blatant trolling. Your multiple posts, in bold, which do not actually prove your points, are a distraction and they put off normal discussion.

Its your opinion and belief you are presenting prophetic truth, I believe otherwise

I present what the Prophetic Word says. Your opinions and beliefs mostly diverge from the plain Words of scripture, because of your failure to correctly place them in the proper timeline.
Your AMill belief is obviously wrong and is contrary to scripture and to reality.
Remember; we shall all stand before God in Judgment. He will be displeased with teachers who promote false ideas.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained?

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

What about Satan's little season, though? I don't think the little season can reasonably be reduced to one day. It takes more than one day for Satan to unite his followers around the world for the cause of trying to destroy the church.

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

I agree. When you say "Millennialism", I assume you are referrong to Premillennialism.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Yes, there are clearly parallels in the book of Revelation that speak of the same gathering for the same battle. Premillennialists don't recognize that. Or, at least, they don't recognize that Revelation 20:7-8 is one of the parallels.

I personally see the fifth trumpet as referring to the beginning of Satan's little season because it depicts the bottomless pit being opened with the locusts, figuratively representing demons, being loosed at that time along with their king Abaddon/Apollyon who I believe is Satan since he is the king of the fallen angels (Revelation 12:9, Matthew 25:41).

 

[Keraz]

Yep. And, as I've pointed out many times to Premils, what is described in Revelation 20:6 has been a reality for Christians since Christ's death and resurrection and still is a current reality both for living Christians and the dead in Christ. So, with that in mind, why insist that it only refers to a future time period?

Another who has a very wrong idea of the present reality.
I insist that Revelation 20:6 remains to happen. We Christians do not yet reign with Him for a thousand years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please desist with your blatant trolling. Your multiple posts, in bold, which do not actually prove your points, are a distraction and they put off normal discussion.

Here is one of the few things I can agree with you on. I'm not a fan of the all bold posting style.

I present what the Prophetic Word says. Your opinions and beliefs mostly diverge from the plain Words of scripture, because of your failure to correctly place them in the proper timeline.
Your AMill belief is obviously wrong and is contrary to scripture and to reality.
Remember; we shall all stand before God in Judgment. He will be displeased with teachers who promote false ideas.

He did a good job of backing up his view with scripture. Naturally, all you can do is basically just say he is wrong without actually taking the time to refute anything he said with scripture.

 

[Truth7t7]

What about Satan's little season, though? I don't think the little season can reasonably be reduced to one day. It takes more than one day for Satan to unite his followers around the world for the cause of trying to destroy the church.

I agree. When you say "Millennialism", I assume you are referrong to Premillennialism.

Yes, there are clearly parallels in the book of Revelation that speak of the same gathering for the same battle. Premillennialists don't recognize that. Or, at least, they don't recognize that Revelation 20:7-8 is one of the parallels.

I personally see the fifth trumpet as referring to the beginning of Satan's little season because it depicts the bottomless pit being opened with the locusts, figuratively representing demons, being loosed at that time along with their king Abaddon/Apollyon who I believe is Satan since he is the king of the fallen angels (Revelation 12:9, Matthew 25:41).

I never claimed the little season was one day, I fully agree with your interpretation

However I believe the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11 will be actual prophets returned (Enoch/Elijah), a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharoah of Egypt

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Please desist with your blatant trolling.

That is hilarious Mr. Troller!

 

[Keraz]

That is hilarious Mr. Troller!

Great; now we have a Mrs Troller!

The problem with posting any of the Prophetic Word, is to place it correctly. Some like to think it is all past history; the preterists.
Some like T7T, think the Prophesies about the Millennium apply now.
As Isaiah 28:13 says; Prophecy is a little here, a little there.... So none of the Prophesies are in their correct sequence - excepting for the given sequence of Revelation; the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, then the glorious Return and after the Millennium of Jesus reigning as King of the world; comes Eternity.

We must fit all the Prophesies into that plainly stated sequence. Shuffling them is error and results in the confusion, so apparent here.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Great; now we have a Mrs Troller!

My post was truth and you know it! Your response was mere denial of being a troll. Trolls like yourself have agenda's that are most always false doctrines built on the Old Testament prophecies or those in Revelation that you corrupt to fit your agenda even though Jesus said they were fulfilled.
When heresies such as yours are challenged you start posting degrading and insulting remarks.

 

[Truth7t7]

My post was truth and you know it! Your response was mere denial of being a troll. Trolls like yourself have agenda's that are most always false doctrines built on the Old Testament prophecies or those in Revelation that you corrupt to fit your agenda even though Jesus said they were fulfilled.
When heresies such as yours are challenged you start posting degrading and insulting remarks.

Moriah, Keraz believes in British Israelism, thought I would let you know the facts

Wikipedia: British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel. With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin. Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in the United States from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

Earliest recorded expressions

According to Brackney (2012) and Fine (2015), the French Huguenot magistrate M. le Loyer's The Ten Lost Tribes, published in 1590, provided one of the earliest expressions of the belief that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic, and associated peoples are the direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites.

 

[Timtofly]

Tim, what verse in Zech 14:16-21 mentions a 1,000 year millennium please?

Why does Zechariah have to give a time frame to prove my point? When was this ever true any time in history? You show me the historical proof, and I will give you the verse that goes with that time in history.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Are you saying this will never ever happen, ever?

Tim, you are the one that said..."Are you saying [the 1,000 year millennium] will never happen." So I asked for verses in Zech. 14 to prove your point. Simple isn't it Tim?

 

[Keraz]

Moriah, Keraz believes in British Israelism, thought I would let you know the facts

This accusation is a lie, I have informed you of my beliefs; that the True Israelites of God are the faithful Christian peoples, but you prefer to make nasty and insulting accusations.
Who and where the 10 Northern tribes are today, only God knows. Amos 9:9

My post was truth and you know it! Your response was mere denial of being a troll. Trolls like yourself have agenda's that are most always false doctrines built on the Old Testament prophecies or those in Revelation that you corrupt to fit your agenda even though Jesus said they were fulfilled.
When heresies such as yours are challenged you start posting degrading and insulting remarks.

The sort of response made by someone who has had their belief system challenged with Bible truths.

Just as a discussion point: What will be the next Prophesied event? Please show proofs.

Tim, you are the one that said..."Are you saying [the 1,000 year millennium] will never happen." So I asked for verses in Zech. 14 to prove your point. Simple isn't it Tim?

May I say; the proof of God's 7000 year time decreed for mankind on the physical earth, is in the Bible as 5991 +/- 2, years have passed since Adam. Proved by the time periods as given in the Bible and the historical record.
There is just 10 +/- 2, years to go before Jesus Returns and then reigns for the final; Sabbath, 1000 years,

 

[Timtofly]

Tim, you are the one that said..."Are you saying [the 1,000 year millennium] will never happen." So I asked for verses in Zech. 14 to prove your point. Simple isn't it Tim?

Yet you still refuse to answer that simple question.

 

[Truth7t7]

This accusation is a lie, I have informed you of my beliefs; that the True Israelites of God are the faithful Christian peoples, but you prefer to make nasty and insulting accusations.
Who and where the 10 Northern tribes are today, only God knows. Amos 9:9

The sort of response made by someone who has had their belief system challenged with Bible truths.

Just as a discussion point: What will be the next Prophesied event? Please show proofs.

May I say; the proof of God's 7000 year time decreed for mankind on the physical earth, is in the Bible as 5991 +/- 2, years have passed since Adam. Proved by the time periods as given in the Bible and the historical record.
There is just 10 +/- 2, years to go before Jesus Returns and then reigns for the final; Sabbath, 1000 years,

Keras I have been posting with you for 10+ Years on various forums, of course you have taught the 10 lost tribes are those "Decendants" of the Northern European Regions, of course you have taught (British/Anglo Israelism) in the 10 Lost Tribes being these "Decendants"

Wikipedia: British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel. With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin. Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in the United States from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.

Earliest recorded expressions

According to Brackney (2012) and Fine (2015), the French Huguenot magistrate M. le Loyer's The Ten Lost Tribes, published in 1590, provided one of the earliest expressions of the belief that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic, and associated peoples are the direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites.

 

[n2thelight]

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

You quote Peter without understanding the ages , and he gave you all 3 of them

II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

"A thief in the night" is an figure of speech that means that Christ shall come at an unexpected time. In the English it sounds like a very scary time, but lets see what it says in the original text. The "elements" are not the elements that you think of, such as gold, iron, oxygen and so on, but they are the "evil rudiments" that go to make up the evil in this earth age. This includes the evil spirits, the fallen angels, and all the things and forms of idolatry that cause flesh man to sin. The time of this burning will be at God's appointed time, so this verse is addressed to all those things that go to offend our Heavenly Father.

 

[Keraz]

Keras I have been posting with you for 10+ Years on various forums, of course you have taught the 10 lost tribes are those "Decendants" of the Northern European Regions, of course you have taught (British/Anglo Israelism) in the 10 Lost Tribes being these "Decendants"

And I said then and now that we have no way of knowing who the true descendants of the 10 Northern tribes are today. Only God knows: Amos 9:9
The Prophecy in Ezekiel 20:30-38 tells us that the Lord will gather those descendants, Judge then and those who revolt and rebel against Him will die in the desert.

So they do exist and many, if not most must be Christians, peoples of the Western nations.
These are facts and your crass denial of these truths, is your bad.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Yet you still refuse to answer that simple question.

No Tim, post #227 you disagreed with Spiritual Israelite's denial of a 1,000 year millennium and that Zec 14 says there will be a 1,000 year millennium. I simply asked for that verse in Zech. 14. Can't you do that simple thing?

 

[Truth7t7]

You quote Peter without understanding the ages , and he gave you all 3 of them

II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

"A thief in the night" is an figure of speech that means that Christ shall come at an unexpected time. In the English it sounds like a very scary time, but lets see what it says in the original text. The "elements" are not the elements that you think of, such as gold, iron, oxygen and so on, but they are the "evil rudiments" that go to make up the evil in this earth age. This includes the evil spirits, the fallen angels, and all the things and forms of idolatry that cause flesh man to sin. The time of this burning will be at God's appointed time, so this verse is addressed to all those things that go to offend our Heavenly Father.

This existing earth will be "Literally" set on fire, consumed, and dissolve!

Jesus Is The Lord

"Shall Melt"

Lexicon :: Strong's G3089 - lyō
λύω lýō, loo'-o; a primary verb; to "loosen" (literally or figuratively):—break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)loose, melt, put off. Compare G4486.

"With Fervent Heat"

Lexicon :: Strong's G2741 - kausoō
G2740; to set on fire:—fervent heat.

"Shall Be Burned Up"

Lexicon :: Strong's G2618 - katakaiō
κατακαίω katakaíō, kat-ak-ah'-ee-o; from G2596 and G2545; to burn down (to the ground), i.e. consume wholly:—burn (up, utterly).

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Moriah's Song]

This existing earth will be "Literally" set on fire, consumed, and dissolve!

I agree with you on this. Also checked with about 10 commentators and they all agree with the wording in 2 Peter as it is written. Besides, both the believers and unbelievers will have gone to their own destinies when 2 Peter is fulfilled on that Last Day.