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BreadOfLife

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No, it is fact that Mary provided the egg for the sperm that God created to beget the son of God/ son of man.

Jesus is the seed of Abraham.
Jesus is the seed of the WOMAN:
Gen. 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Scripture doesn't say HOW Mary's egg was fertilized - so why would YOU invent that scenasrio?
God doesn't need a sperm to create a person, Einstein. He created Adam from clay (Gen. 2:7).

STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .
 

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Five Solas or Protestant dogmas!

Faith alone:

Christ alone:

Grace alone:

Bible alone:

Glory to God alone:


Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

how can Jesus be glorified If he ain’t God?
 

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Jesus is the seed of the WOMAN:
Gen. 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Scripture doesn't say HOW Mary's egg was fertilized - so why would YOU invent that scenasrio?
God doesn't need a sperm to create a person, Einstein. He created Adam from clay (Gen. 2:7).

STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .
Did Mary's egg self fertilize?
 

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No, it is fact that Mary provided the egg for the sperm that God created to beget the son of God/ son of man.
Jesus is the seed of Abraham.
ONE more time, Einstein . . .
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


This is a prophecy about Jesus and His mother.
Did Mary's egg self fertilize?
Nope - as I educated you before - the Holy Spirit came upon her and she was overshadowed by God and conceuved (Luke 1:35). The Bible NEVER says anything about a sperm.

Of course - you are free to believe this - but as a Sola Scripturist - the onus is on YOU to show me where the Bible makes this claim.
 

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ONE more time, Einstein . . .
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


This is a prophecy about Jesus and His mother.

Nope - as I educated you before - the Holy Spirit came upon her and she was overshadowed by God and conceuved (Luke 1:35). The Bible NEVER says anything about a sperm.

Of course - you are free to believe this - but as a Sola Scripturist - the onus is on YOU to show me where the Bible makes this claim.
Again, did Mary's egg self fertilize or did God make a sperm cell to fertilize it, claiming paternal authenticity also?

You know...God's BEGOTTEN son?
 

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Again, did Mary's egg self fertilize or did God make a sperm cell to fertilize it, claiming paternal authenticity also?
You know...God's BEGOTTEN son?
Ummmm - I already showed you the verse (Luke 1:35) about His conception.
Now, YOU show me the one about the sperm.

Let's see which one is more Scripturally-accurate, Einstein . . .
 

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Ummmm - I already showed you the verse (Luke 1:35) about His conception.
Now, YOU show me the one about the sperm.

Let's see which one is more Scripturally-accurate, Einstein . . .
Umm.

Your brain thinks her egg self fertilized and Jesus is only born of a woman and not God.
Your brain cannot comprehend what begotten son of God means.
Your brain thinks God commanded self conception from Mary’s egg cell.
Your brain thinks conceived by the Holy Ghost means a fly over.
You need to learn what only begotten son of God infers fella.
Your brain thinks begotten means “went and got”...lol


Just a hint, “only begotten son” has sexual connotations.
God had to beget the son via the female’s ovaries into pregnancy by conception.
Now you know why God picked Mary’s female organs of all things, to create Jesus.
That’s all the anatomy class for today.
 
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Umm. Your brain thinks her egg self fertilized and Jesus is only born of a woman and not God.
Your brain cannot comprehend what begotten son of God means. Your brain thinks God commanded self conception from Mary’s egg cell.
Your brain thinks conceived by the Holy Ghost means a fly over. You need to learn what only begotten son of God infers fella.
Your brain thinks begotten means “went and got”...lol
Just a hint, “only begotten son” has sexual connotations.
God had to beget the son via the female’s ovaries into pregnancy by conception.
Now you know why God picked Mary’s female organs of all things, to create Jesus.
That’s all the anatomy class for today.
WOW - what a complete failure to understand the Word of God.
Time for a Bible Lesson, son . . .

The Son existed LONG before the foundations of the world (Rev. 13:8) which HE created (John 1:1) - LONG before He became flesh (John 1:14). Her is the only-begotten Son of God in the ETERNAL sense - NOT in the carnal sense, Einstrin.
He is eternally-consubstantial with the Father.

The fact that you don't understand this - and evenb reject it illustrates your rejection of the very nature of GOD Himself.

Now - I didn't say that God didn't implant a sperm in Mary. I said that not only want is NOT necessary for Him to do so because HE is the Author of Life - but it is NOT mentioned in the Scriptures - even thou YOU keep insisting that it IS.
I keep challenging you tho SHOW me the verse - and YOU keep failing miserably to do so.

God can create a man from mud (Gen 2:7) . He spoke anf the universe lept into existence (Gen. 1) - so what makes YOU think that He needs a sperm to do it?
Your lack of faith is almost as pathetic as your total ignorance of Scripture and Church history . . .
 

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WOW - what a complete failure to understand the Word of God.
Time for a Bible Lesson, son . . .

The Son existed LONG before the foundations of the world (Rev. 13:8) which HE created (John 1:1) - LONG before He became flesh (John 1:14). Her is the only-begotten Son of God in the ETERNAL sense - NOT in the carnal sense, Einstrin.
He is eternally-consubstantial with the Father.

The fact that you don't understand this - and evenb reject it illustrates your rejection of the very nature of GOD Himself.

Now - I didn't say that God didn't implant a sperm in Mary. I said that not only want is NOT necessary for Him to do so because HE is the Author of Life - but it is NOT mentioned in the Scriptures - even thou YOU keep insisting that it IS.
I keep challenging you tho SHOW me the verse - and YOU keep failing miserably to do so.

God can create a man from mud (Gen 2:7) . He spoke anf the universe lept into existence (Gen. 1) - so what makes YOU think that He needs a sperm to do it?
Your lack of faith is almost as pathetic as your total ignorance of Scripture and Church history . . .
Where in Mary's body was Jesus conceived?

A...toe.

B...head.

C...reproductive system?

If you pick "C", do you know how a reproductive system in a woman functions?

So, think it a bit strange that God conceived His son in a woman's reproductive system?

It is strange, but God is trying to tell you Jesus is His own BIOLOGICALLY made son.

This is precisely why Jesus was not made from dirt ,etc.

God has a biological kid, face it.
 

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Where in Mary's body was Jesus conceived?
A...toe.
B...head.
C...reproductive system?If you pick "C", do you know how a reproductive system in a woman functions?
So, think it a bit strange that God conceived His son in a woman's reproductive system?
It is strange, but God is trying to tell you Jesus is His own BIOLOGICALLY made son.
This is precisely why Jesus was not made from dirt ,etc.
God has a biological kid, face it.
God the Father isn't biological, Einstein (John 4:24).
Didn't they teach you anything in Sunday School?

God the SON became flesh at a certain point ant time in history (John 1:14).
As I educated you in my last post - God spoke anf the universe lept into existence (Gen. 1) - so what makes YOU think that He can't create a human form unless YOU approve of the method?

What a pathetic lack of faith.
 

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God the Father isn't biological, Einstein (John 4:24).
Didn't they teach you anything in Sunday School?

God the SON became flesh at a certain point ant time in history (John 1:14).
As I educated you in my last post - God spoke anf the universe lept into existence (Gen. 1) - so what makes YOU think that He can't create a human form unless YOU approve of the method?

What a pathetic lack of faith.
So, Jesus was not really begotten of the Father?

Implanted spirit thing?
 

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So, Jesus was not really begotten of the Father?
This is why I have you on ignore, your reply to BoL is a non-sequitur fallacy, it does not follow what BoL said. You make a stupid conclusion and pretend it is an intelligent argument. BoL said no such thing. Discussion with you is impossible.

Implanted spirit thing?
God did not use sperm to impregnate Mary, that is a Gnostic heresy. Don't even go there.
Where in Mary's body was Jesus conceived?
Jesus was not "conceived", He is God incarnate, fully God and fully Man. It's Christianity 101. It's a mystery, not a math problem. A mystery is something we can know some things about, but it is humanly impossible to know everything about. To know everything about the Incarnation/Trinity you would have to be God, or meet Him face to face. Your excessive rationalism has led you to Gnostic/Docetic nonsense.
Back to the iggy bin you go.
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So, Jesus was not really begotten of the Father?
Implanted spirit thing?
One more time, Einstein . . .

The Son is eternally-begotten of the Father.
Tthe Holy Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father (John 14:16-17, John 15:26) AND the Sone (John 20:22).

"Eternity" has NO starting point, my woefully-ignorant friend.
 

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One more time, Einstein . . .

The Son is eternally-begotten of the Father.
Tthe Holy Spirit proceeds from BOTH the Father (John 14:16-17, John 15:26) AND the Sone (John 20:22).

"Eternity" has NO starting point, my woefully-ignorant friend.
The son is eternally begotten?

How did Mary get way back there in eternity?

"Beget", is how Jesus originated in her ovaries.
 

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The son is eternally begotten?
How did Mary get way back there in eternity?
"Beget", is how Jesus originated in her ovaries.
And because YOU only understand the flesh - of COURSE you would have a problem grasping the spiritual.

After reading all of your moronic posts - this doesn't come as a surprise to me . . .
 

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And because YOU only understand the flesh - of COURSE you would have a problem grasping the spiritual.

After reading all of your moronic posts - this doesn't come as a surprise to me . . .
How does a Spirit beget a Spirit?
 

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How does a Spirit beget a Spirit?
How do YOU beget an idiotic thought?
Thery're ALWAYS there with you.

Your problem, - and there are MANY - is that because you rejct God in His naturem you lack the faith to understand these things. God can't MAKE you unfderstand that which you refuse to believe.
God's grace only works when WE COOPERATE with it . . .

Matt. 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU were NOT willing.
 
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How do YOU beget an idiotic thought?
Thery're ALWAYS there with you.

Your problem, - and there are MANY - is that because you rejct God in His naturem you lack the faith to understand these things. God can't MAKE you unfderstand that which you refuse to believe.
God's grace only works when WE COOPERATE with it . . .

Matt. 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and YOU were NOT willing.
Catholic, if the 1st person in the Godhead BEGOT the 2nd person in the Godhead, how did Spirit beget Spirit?

Please provide an explanation.

Thanks, Catholic.
 

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The Son is eternally-begotten of the Father.


"Eternal" and "begotten" are polar opposites in meaning.

Eternal=timeless.

Begotten=with beginning of time.

Catholic doctrine is zany, full of oxymoronic ideas.
 

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Catholic, if the 1st person in the Godhead BEGOT the 2nd person in the Godhead, how did Spirit beget Spirit?
Please provide an explanation.
Thanks, Catholic.
Okay, quasi-Christian - the Holy spirit proceeds from BOTH Father AND Son (John 14:16-17, John 15:26, John 20:22). Do THEY not "beget" Him?

Sooooo - HOW is it that you can accept this - but NOT the Father begetting the Son?