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Even priests think.."ooh baby".

Do they think that as much as yout Protesteant ministers?

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[Truther]

Nopr - she's already in Heaven (Rev. 11:19, Rev. 12:1-5).
STUDY your Bible, Einstein . . .

No - we're just hung up on the fact that NONE of you geniuses can show us where the Bible makes your idiotic claim.

Ummmmmm I so I guess NONE of you is able to address the airtight Scriptural case I made back in post #271?
That's what I thought . . .

Mary is dead.

Rev 12 is depicting national Israel(sun moon and 12 stars per Josephs dream).

Joseph wasn't dreaming about Mary in Gen.

C'mon Catholic, at least act somewhat scripturally intelligent.

Don't embarrass us in front of the forum like that, okay?

 

[Truther]

Do they think that as much as yout Protesteant ministers?

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

Blogger Who Exposed Protestant Sex Abuse Cover Up Sued By Her Pastor

Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches

Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups

U.S. Protestants’ Views Mixed about Extent of Clergy Sexual Abuse

Churchgoers Split on Existence of More Sexual Abuse by Pastors

Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse

Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says

They are in a celibate prison.

They say that some prisoners get aroused and some lose interest.

Humans are humans.

Since the priests do not have remission of sins nor the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2:38, they are sittin' ducks for demonic attacks.

They have ZERO protection from the devils.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary is dead.
Rev 12 is depicting national Israel(sun moon and 12 stars per Josephs dream).
Joseph wasn't dreaming about Mary in Gen.
C'mon Catholic, at least act somewhat scripturally intelligent.
Don't embarrass us in front of the forum like that, okay?

Time for another Bible Lesson, Einstein - so pay attention . . .

I'll start with a little comparison chart between the Ark of the Covenant in the OT and the Ark of the NEW Covenant in the NT:

OT - The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
NT - The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38) who carried the Word of God.

OT - "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
NT - "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)

OT - The When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
NT - When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the Word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2:38)

OT - The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

OT - The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Matt. 2:14)

OT - On the Day of the Dedication of the Temple which Solomon built, there were 120 priests present (2 Chron. 5:11). The Ark of the covenant was carried into the Temple (2 Chron. 5:7) and fire came down from Heaven to consume the burnt offering (2 Chron. 7:7).
NT - On the Day of Pentecost, there were 120 disciples of Jesus present in the Upper Room (Acts 1:15). Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Ark of the NEW Covenant was also present while the Holy Spirit came down as tongues of fire (Acts 2:3).

In the Book of Revelation, we see the New Ark of the Covenant in Heaven being spoken of at the very end of Chapter 11, verse 19: Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.

The very next verse is in Chapter 12 (Rev 12:1): A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Verse 2 says: She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.

We know that this child is Jesus because in verse 4, we read: She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.

WHO gave birth to Jesus?
There is simply NO getting around the fact that the Woman here in Revelation 12 is Mary.

 

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They are in a celibate prison.

Celibacy is a "prison"??
Tell that to Jesus (Matt. 19:11-12) and Paul (1 Cor. 6:7, 1 Cor. 7:8-9, 1 Cor. 7:27-38) . . .

Do your homework . . .

They say that some prisoners get aroused and some lose interest.
Humans are humans.
Since the priests do not have remission of sins nor the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2:38, they are sittin' ducks for demonic attacks.
They have ZERO protection from the devils.

Really?
Soooo - WHO is protecting THESE guys?
Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

Blogger Who Exposed Protestant Sex Abuse Cover Up Sued By Her Pastor

Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches

Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups

U.S. Protestants’ Views Mixed about Extent of Clergy Sexual Abuse

Churchgoers Split on Existence of More Sexual Abuse by Pastors

Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse

Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says

 

[Truther]

Time for another Bible Lesson, Einstein - so pay attention . . .

I'll start with a little comparison chart between the Ark of the Covenant in the OT and the Ark of the NEW Covenant in the NT:

OT - The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
NT - The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38) who carried the Word of God.

OT - "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
NT - "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)

OT - The When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
NT - When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the Word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2:38)

OT - The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

OT - The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
NT - Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Matt. 2:14)

OT - On the Day of the Dedication of the Temple which Solomon built, there were 120 priests present (2 Chron. 5:11). The Ark of the covenant was carried into the Temple (2 Chron. 5:7) and fire came down from Heaven to consume the burnt offering (2 Chron. 7:7).
NT - On the Day of Pentecost, there were 120 disciples of Jesus present in the Upper Room (Acts 1:15). Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Ark of the NEW Covenant was also present while the Holy Spirit came down as tongues of fire (Acts 2:3).

In the Book of Revelation, we see the New Ark of the Covenant in Heaven being spoken of at the very end of Chapter 11, verse 19: Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.

The very next verse is in Chapter 12 (Rev 12:1): A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Verse 2 says: She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.

We know that this child is Jesus because in verse 4, we read: She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.

WHO gave birth to Jesus?
There is simply NO getting around the fact that the Woman here in Revelation 12 is Mary.

A real Bible lesson for the Roman Catholic , Mary worshipper....


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child...



9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?


Looks like Jacob is teaching the Roman Catholic who the woman is in Rev 12.....LOL

 

[Truther]

Celibacy is a "prison"??
Tell that to Jesus (Matt. 19:11-12) and Paul (1 Cor. 6:7, 1 Cor. 7:8-9, 1 Cor. 7:27-38) . . .

Do your homework . . .

Really?
Soooo - WHO is protecting THESE guys?
Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

Blogger Who Exposed Protestant Sex Abuse Cover Up Sued By Her Pastor

Denial About Sexual Abuse In Evangelical Churches

Southern Baptists Apologize For Sex Abuse Coverups

U.S. Protestants’ Views Mixed about Extent of Clergy Sexual Abuse

Churchgoers Split on Existence of More Sexual Abuse by Pastors

Confronting Evangelical Enabling of Sexual Abuse

Child abuse a Calvinist problem, podcast says

Those guys are not Spirit led Acts 2:38 observers either, as you are not.

 

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Those guys are not Spirit led Acts 2:38 observers either, as you are not.

And this, coming from a guy who rehects the very nature og God doesn't carry much weight . . .

 

[Truther]

And this, coming from a guy who rehects the very nature og God doesn't carry much weight . . .

God only has a divine nature per scripture.

God has a human nature per the RCC.

I prefer the scripture over the RCC.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A real Bible lesson for the Roman Catholic , Mary worshipper....
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child...

9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

Looks like Jacob is teaching the Roman Catholic who the woman is in Rev 12.....LOL

Ummmm - WHO is the male child who was to "rule all natons with an iron rod"?
Answer: Jesus

WHO gave birth to Jesus?
Answer. Mary

WHO is th "Woman"?
Answer: The Ark of the Covenant in Heaven (Rev. 11:19).
Mary is the Ark of the NEW Covenant (Jesus).

There ends the lesson, Einstein . . .

 

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God only has a divine nature per scripture.
God has a human nature per the RCC.
I prefer the scripture over the RCC.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Ummmm, good luck telling Jesus that He's NOT God when He's judging you . .

Matt. 10:33
"... but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

 

[Truther]

Ummmm - WHO is the male child who was to "rule all natons with an iron rod"?
Answer: Jesus

WHO gave birth to Jesus?
Answer. Mary

WHO is th "Woman"?
Answer: The Ark of the Covenant in Heaven (Rev. 11:19).
Mary is the Ark of the NEW Covenant (Jesus).

There ends the lesson, Einstein . . .

It went over your head again.

Who are the sun, moon and 12 stars?

Do you need a Bible study in Genesis?

I think so.

They are the parents and tribes of national Israel.

They are Jacob(sun), Rachel(moon), and the 12 sons of Jacob(12 stars).

So, you teach that Mary wears these folks on her body...LOL

 

[Truther]

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Ummmm, good luck telling Jesus that He's NOT God when He's judging you . .

Matt. 10:33
"... but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Right, the spoken word of God was made a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg cell, creating the son of God/ son of man, Jesus Christ.

No problem with that.

It does not say that God is no longer a Spirit only(A God/man), but it does say that the Spirit made a man.

God's spoken word made everything else too.

You RCCers concocted the idea that God's spoken word was another person that turned into a sperm cell on the microscopic level and formed into an embryo, fetus, infant, child, adolescent then man...LOL

 

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It went over your head again.
Who are the sun, moon and 12 stars?
Do you need a Bible study in Genesis?
I think so.
They are the parents and tribes of national Israel.
They are Jacob(sun), Rachel(moon), and the 12 sons of Jacob(12 stars).
So, you teach that Mary wears these folks on her body...LOL

And, apparently, YOU don't understand the, eaning of a polyvalent symbol.
Allow me to educate you . . .

A polyvalent syybol simply means a symbol woth more than oone meaning (poly) - and the Book of Revelation is filled with such symbols. Most Biblical scholars agree that the Woman represents BOTH Israel AND the Church. "12 stars" = 12 Triubes of Israels AND the 12 Apostles.

In the depths of your ignorance - YOU can't see this because of your spiritual blindness.
Pray for a better understanding of God's Word . . .

 

[Truther]

And, apparently, YOU don't understand the, eaning of a polyvalent symbol.
Allow me to educate you . . .

A polyvalent syybol simply means a symbol woth more than oone meaning (poly) - and the Book of Revelation is filled with such symbols. Most Biblical scholars agree that the Woman represents BOTH Israel AND the Church. "12 stars" = 12 Triubes of Israels AND the 12 Apostles.

In the depths of your ignorance - YOU can't see this because of your spiritual blindness.
Pray for a better understanding of God's Word . . .

I see, you add and take away from the book of Rev.

Yikes.

 

[Truther]

BOL, does Mary, today, carry Jacob, Rachel and Jacob's 12 sons on her body?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Right, the spoken word of God was made a sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg cell, creating the son of God/ son of man, Jesus Christ.
No problem with that.
It does not say that God is no longer a Spirit only(A God/man), but it does say that the Spirit made a man.
God's spoken word made everything else too.
You RCCers concocted the idea that God's spoken word was another person that turned into a sperm cell on the microscopic level and formed into an embryo, fetus, infant, child, adolescent then man...LOL

Ummmm, as I educated you in my last post - John 1:14 clearly states that God Himself became flesh and dwelt among us - and that enture narrative of John 1 ius about Jesus (God).

So - feel free to continue mocking God by denying Him and see where that gets you in the end.
Matt. 10:33
"... but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Oh, I almost forgot - ummmm, "LOL" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I see, you add and take away from the book of Rev.

Yikes.

No - I just have a better understanding than you - because I trust in Christ's Church - as HE commanded (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 15:12-15, John 20:21-23).

 

[Truther]

Ummmm, as I educated you in my last post - John 1:14 clearly states that God Himself became flesh and dwelt among us - and that enture narrative of John 1 ius about Jesus (God).

So - feel free to continue mocking God by denying Him and see where that gets you in the end.
Matt. 10:33
"... but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven."

Oh, I almost forgot - ummmm, "LOL" . . .

Let's see if Jesus agrees with "God became flesh"...

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Nope, Jesus taught God is only a Spirit, not flesh, and "him"(someone other than Jesus).

 

[Truther]

No - I just have a better understanding than you - because I trust in Christ's Church - as HE commanded (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 15:12-15, John 20:21-23).

No, you KNOW that the sun, moon and 12 starts are at first glance, Jacob, Rachel and Jacob's 12 sons.

You made up a "rule" that says it can have "endless meanings".

Thus, false doctrine is born per folks' whim.