Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

[theefaith]

Sorry queen Esther!

and queen Esther as a type of queen Mary!

 

[theefaith]

This has GOT TO BE the funniest thing I've seen here in quite a while!!!!

How does a Catholic handle Mark 3:31-35 when Mary and her kids came to grab Jesus, because they thought He'd gone nuts?????

is Paul also funny to you?

He claimed to be all powerful

Is Paul Divine?

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

 

[theefaith]

To use an English term - clear as mud.

either you’re not really saved or you cannot deny Christ!

can’t be both!

 

[Moriah's Song]

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful!

I did not say “how it is” or by what means she is all powerful!

I did not say it was cos she is God!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

Is Paul Divine?

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

WHAT!

ANOTHER CUT-AND-PASTE POST????

Are you here to learn or to teach?

 

[theefaith]

I said I am saved. I never said I have the possibility to deny Christ.



“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him...”
That applies to me:
for example conversing with a majority Catholics is suffering.
for example a cheating, lying, dictator President is suffering.
for example being in the presence of corrupt men OF the world is suffering.

“If we deny him”....does not apply to me.
“I have NOT denied Him”. “I can NOT deny Him”.

Every UNSAVED person has the “possibility” to deny Christ.
That applies to you, who says you are “not saved”.
That does not apply to me, because “I am saved”.

How can you possibly say you cannot deny Christ? Of course you can! Scripture says you can!

“IF” that means it’s possible

are you saying you cannot abide in Christ cos you’re saved?

same “IF” Jn 15:4 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

“IF” you abide in him!

 

[Taken]

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Angels did not say what you claim.
The Bible does say what you claim.

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

Very sad.

 

[Taken]

explain the story of Esther please!

No.

 

[theefaith]

WHAT!

ANOTHER CUT-AND-PASTE POST????

Are you here to learn or to teach?

Is cut and paste a sin?

I told you I have many notes that I copy from does that make it not true? Good grief Charlie Browne!

 

[Taken]

Sorry queen Esther!

and queen Esther as a type of queen Mary!

Was your queen Mary French?

 

[theefaith]

Angels did not say what you claim.
The Bible does say what you claim.




Very sad.

it is as not the angel Gabriel?

Like is not scripture?

Luke 1:28
Wycliffe Bible

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

Not a catholic version!

 

[theefaith]

No.

I bet not!

 

[Moriah's Song]

Christ and His apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14
Jn 15:1
Acts 9:4
eph 5:32
1 Tim 3:15

I would say that Christ has "left the building" of the RCC years ago.

But nevertheless in regards to your list of verses...without any text is disrespectful.

Matt 5:14-15...You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

That is all about "the great commission." Christians are to be messengers of the gospel. But it certainly does not mean the RCC is the
only legitimate means to spread the gospel - especially because of its heretical traditions!​

Acts 9:4 - And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: "Saul, Saul, why persecute me?"

Christ and his Universal church are one. To persecute the body of Christ, therefore, was to persecute him personally.​

Eph 5:32 - This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the church.

The Vulgate wrongly translates, "This is a great sacrament," which the Roman church manufactured. (this in spite of the blunder having been long ago exposed by their own commentators, Cajetan and Estius) for making marriage a sacrament; it is plain not marriage in general, but that of Christ and the Church, is what is said to be a "great mystery," as the words following prove, "I say it in regard to Christ and to the Church" (so the Greek is best translated).​

1 Tim 3:15 - if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

This does not mean in a place of public worship. It refers to the church as a body of believers. The church is called the "household of God," because it is that in which God dwells. Formerly, his unique residence was in the temple at Jerusalem; now that the temple is destroyed, it is the church of Christ, among his people.​

This does not refer to creeds or to the decisions of synods and councils; but to the living spirit of truth and piety "in" the church itself. We as individuals are "God's temple" and are representatives of God's church on earth. It does not mean any specific denomination; it means the "invisible body of Christ."​

 

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@theefaith

Will you stop dancing around and answer the questions...?

Will you...QUOTE scripture that says Mary was sinless?
Will you ...Tell us what MARY says to you when you pray TO her?

@Moriah's Song ...
ever been on a merry-go-round to ad nauseam?

 

[theefaith]

I’ll do it for you!

Queen Esther

Queen Esther fair: est 2:7
Mary all fair: gen 3:15 Song of Solomon 4:12 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1

And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; est 2:17
Song of S. 4:2 love of God for Mary!
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
Lk 1:28 also Lk 1:30 1:42 1:45 1:48
Mary obtained grace and favor: Lk 1:28
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Esther merits the graces of the king for the people. Est
Mary merits the graces we need but don’t deserve. Lk 1:30
Mother is the mother of our savior and our salvation! Lk 2:30 matt 1:21

They prayed to Esther to intercede for them before the king. As Mary intercedes for Christians before God.

Queen Esther found favor with the king: est 2:17
Mary found favor with God: Lk 1:30

Queen Esther saves her people interceding with the king: est 8:17
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11

Queen Esther receives half the kingdom!
Mary receives half the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice as just judge and Mary is the queen of grace & mercy! Hence the throne of grace is Mary’s throne! Heb 4:16
Depicted in genesis as the greater light that rules the day (those living in God’s will) and the lesser light that governs the night (those living in sin) Mary the mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Notice the sun is the source of all good and moon only reflects this goodness!
She directs all to Her divine son! Jn 2:5


Mary is created by God thru the immaculate conception worthy to receive grace, and the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit, and the savior and our salvation!

Notice how Christ died for us!

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

We were not worthy to die for our own salvation!

The same applies to grace, we are not worthy to receive grace, so God made Mary by the immaculate conception worthy to receive all grace for us, and worthy to miraculously conceive of the Holy Spirit and to give birth to our savior and worthy to receive our salvation!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

God will not give grace to one who is not worthy or who cannot receive it, God will not give graces only to be lost or wasted but must be Efficacious!

All graces are merited by Christ (Jn 1:16-17 1 Jn 1:7) and given to men in the immaculate conception, (Lk 1:28 Lk 1:49 Heb 4:16 until we are able thru baptism (Jn 3:5) to receive them!

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Mary had this faith for us, (Lk 1:45 )and became the mother of our salvation!
(Lk 2:30)

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Just as redemption is held in Christ so grace is held on Mary! Lk 1:28 full of grace Heb 4:16 the throne of grace Lk 1:30 found favor of our salvation

This applies to Mary not by nature but by the power and will of God!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen!
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And Jesus is the king of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints, so Mary is queen of heaven & earth & all the angels & saints!



A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

The mother of any king is automatically queen and rules half the kingdom!
The queen mother!

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace who is the throne of divine grace!

 

[theefaith]

I would say that Christ has "left the building" of the RCC years ago.

But nevertheless in regards to your list of verses...without any text is disrespectful.

Matt 5:14-15...You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

That is all about "the great commission." Christians are to be messengers of the gospel. But it certainly does not mean the RCC is the
only legitimate means to spread the gospel - especially because of its heretical traditions!​

Acts 9:4 - And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: "Saul, Saul, why persecute me?"

Christ and his Universal church are one. To persecute the body of Christ, therefore, was to persecute him personally.​

Eph 5:32 - This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the church.

The Vulgate wrongly translates, "This is a great sacrament," which the Roman church manufactured. (this in spite of the blunder having been long ago exposed by their own commentators, Cajetan and Estius) for making marriage a sacrament; it is plain not marriage in general, but that of Christ and the Church, is what is said to be a "great mystery," as the words following prove, "I say it in regard to Christ and to the Church" (so the Greek is best translated).​

1 Tim 3:15 - if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

This does not mean in a place of public worship. It refers to the church as a body of believers. The church is called the "household of God," because it is that in which God dwells. Formerly, his unique residence was in the temple at Jerusalem; now that the temple is destroyed, it is the church of Christ, among his people.​

This does not refer to creeds or to the decisions of synods and councils; but to the living spirit of truth and piety "in" the church itself. We as individuals are "God's temple" and are representatives of God's church on earth. It does not mean any specific denomination; it means the "invisible body of Christ."​

only cos I have provided them to you guys a hundred times before

 

[theefaith]

I would say that Christ has "left the building" of the RCC years ago.

But nevertheless in regards to your list of verses...without any text is disrespectful.

Matt 5:14-15...You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house.

That is all about "the great commission." Christians are to be messengers of the gospel. But it certainly does not mean the RCC is the
only legitimate means to spread the gospel - especially because of its heretical traditions!​

Acts 9:4 - And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: "Saul, Saul, why persecute me?"

Christ and his Universal church are one. To persecute the body of Christ, therefore, was to persecute him personally.​

Eph 5:32 - This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the church.

The Vulgate wrongly translates, "This is a great sacrament," which the Roman church manufactured. (this in spite of the blunder having been long ago exposed by their own commentators, Cajetan and Estius) for making marriage a sacrament; it is plain not marriage in general, but that of Christ and the Church, is what is said to be a "great mystery," as the words following prove, "I say it in regard to Christ and to the Church" (so the Greek is best translated).​

1 Tim 3:15 - if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

This does not mean in a place of public worship. It refers to the church as a body of believers. The church is called the "household of God," because it is that in which God dwells. Formerly, his unique residence was in the temple at Jerusalem; now that the temple is destroyed, it is the church of Christ, among his people.​

This does not refer to creeds or to the decisions of synods and councils; but to the living spirit of truth and piety "in" the church itself. We as individuals are "God's temple" and are representatives of God's church on earth. It does not mean any specific denomination; it means the "invisible body of Christ."​

“I would say” by what authority do you have to declare anything!

only the apostolic church founded by Christ has authority from Christ to do so!

 

[Taken]

it is as not the angel Gabriel?

Like is not scripture?

Luke 1:28
Wycliffe Bible

28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

Not a catholic version!

So, an Angel greeted Mary? Not the first time or the last time an Angel greeted a human person.
So, Mary was blessed? Not the first time or the last time a human person was blessed.

How does Mary being greeted and blessed make her “sinless”?

Why does Scripture FLAT OUT SAY JESUS was without Sin....but you can NOT QUOTE one Scripture that says Mary was without Sin?

Answer....Because Scripture says no such thing About Mary being Sinless.

 

[Moriah's Song]

“I would say” by what authority do you have to declare anything!

It's called "my constitutional rights" to give my opinion, especially since all those "traditions" of the RCC give me the right to speak of the heresies within the kind of system that keeps their members by means of "fear" rather than the truth of scripture.

 

[Pearl]

either you’re not really saved or you cannot deny Christ!

can’t be both!

I do not deny Christ and I am saved. Have been for 44 years. And baptised. And received the Holy Spirit. Do not judge by your own standards or false doctrines. I have blessed assurance that Jesus is mine and I am his. I do not need your approval or the approval of any other person. I have God's. And it is wonderful and glorious.

 

[Pearl]

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

Our Father in heaven, holy is your name, let your kingdom come and your will be done on the earth as it is done in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. Do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours for ever. amen.