James Was Not Talking about Faith in Jesus Christ for Salvation

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1 John 3:14-18 KJV
14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17) But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18) My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Murderers don't have eternal life, and the one who hates their brother is a murderer.

So what does it say about the one who hates their brother? They don't have eternal life, right?

Do you go on to think then that there is someone who has eternal life, then comes to hate their brother, and loses that eternal life? How is it that they would have eternal life, and then go on to hate their brother, if no one who hates their brother has eternal life?

Wouldn't the fact of their hatred mean that they don't actually have eternal life?

Much love!

Also.... John does not speak in guarantees. 1 John 1:7 says..... IF we walk in the light as He is in the light we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

So you have to walk in the light for the blood of Jesus to cleanse you from all sin. It's a condition because the word IF is in the verse. Walking in the light is loving your brother by the use of indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11. So IF we love our brother... the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. No guarantees here. John does not say... we will walk in the light. He says IF we walk in the light. It's a choice. If we confess our sins... he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. So no confessing of your sin and your not forgiven. Care to test the waters on that verse? You have to make choices in life and you are not a robot. You have the choice to decide to confess or not. You have the choice to walk in the light or not. Both hinge on salvation.

 

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How do you not apply verses like Matthew 5:28-30?
Jesus warns against those who look upon a woman in lust will lead to being cast bodily into hellfire?

What about Matthew 13:41-42?
It says the Son of Man (Jesus) will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that offend (sins) and all who work iniquity and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire).

All these passages you've posted, just look at them for what they say, and what they don't say. It's so easy to let ideas sneak in that aren't there.

Hebrews has a couple of passages used frequently by those who think as you do, that give a great demonstration.

Hebrews 3:14 KJV
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Some point to, "if we hold . . . unto the end", as if this determines whether we "remain" partakers. So they read the verse as if, we become partakers of Christ, but if we stop holding our confidence, we will stop being partakers.

But the verse itself actually shows a condition that will exist if we have become partakers. How do we know we have become partakers of Christ, and not just on some "feel good mind trip"? Because it lasts. That's the true teaching of the passage. And there are many places like this.

I actually became much more convinced of OSAS having spent years researching every single passage I could find that anyone used to argue otherwise. But not a single one of them actually support that view.

And they cannot, because the efficacy of Jesus' death is full, compete, when He said, "It is finished", it really was finished.

Much love!

 

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Ephesians 5:1-16 KJV
1) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2) And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3) But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4) Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6) Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7) Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8) For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13) But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Does this passage teach that the born again die again? That sin will eternally separate from God those whom are reconciled to Him? Having "received the reconciliation"?

This passage, when you look to the context, teaches us that these behaviors are for those who do not know God, so don't be like them, because you do.

And it does not negate such passages as, "you shall appear with Him in glory", as if that won't happen.

There is a parallel passage,

1 Corinthians 6:9-20 KJV
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
13) Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14) And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15) Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17) But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

He owns you now, so do what is right, and not what is wrong. But there is nothing here that says the forgiven will be condemned, or the born again will die again, or that even this sin separated the reconciled and redeemed from Him Who declares them justified.

Romans 8:31-34 KJV
31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34) Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Much love!

Okay. Why would Paul say this to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 6? It's because of 1 Corinthians 5. A believer was fornicating in the church and Paul was telling them to kick this guy out. Paul says that believers are not to have company with any brother who is a fornicator. So Paul is telling them that they will not inherit the kingdom of God if they do such sins.

Paul says BE NOT DECEIVED on the matter of how the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.
He that does righteousness is righteous (1 John 3:7).
He that sins is of the devil (1 John 3:8).
BE NOT DECEIVED .... that is what Paul says. I doubt he was referring to the Corinthians in being deceived about Universal Salvationism. There is no indication of such a conversation where the Corinthians thought everyone would be saved. That's just pure imaginary to see that in the context. Paul is referring to believers in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

 

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All these passages you've posted, just look at them for what they say, and what they don't say. It's so easy to let ideas sneak in that aren't there.

Hebrews has a couple of passages used frequently by those who think as you do, that give a great demonstration.

Hebrews 3:14 KJV
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Some point to, "if we hold . . . unto the end", as if this determines whether we "remain" partakers. So they read the verse as if, we become partakers of Christ, but if we stop holding our confidence, we will stop being partakers.

But the verse itself actually shows a condition that will exist if we have become partakers. How do we know we have become partakers of Christ, and not just on some "feel good mind trip"? Because it lasts. That's the true teaching of the passage. And there are many places like this.

I actually became much more convinced of OSAS having spent years researching every single passage I could find that anyone used to argue otherwise. But not a single one of them actually support that view.

And they cannot, because the efficacy of Jesus' death is full, compete, when He said, "It is finished", it really was finished.

Much love!

You are really not addressing the problem in Matthew 13:41-42, though.
What about Matthew 5:28-30?
How do you undo these verses in Scripture?

 

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This is totally illogical. Why would John bother to mention something that does not apply to believers but to unbelievers? He is talking to believers and warning them not to hate their brother. For he is writing to believers. It would be dumb to say that unbelievers hate their spiritual brothers because they don't have any spiritual brothers.

He's writing the way all the apostles wrote, not presuming that the reader is born again, or not, and not presuming that people never think they are right with God when they actually are not. These are ways you can know, and if you read the passages carefully, without one mindset or the other, you will see this.

Like Colossians 3, If you were raised with Christ . . . this is the condition, and if that condition exists, then the outcome is assured, you shall appear with Him in glory.

And in 1 Corinthians 6, Such people will not inherit, and you used to be one of those, but now you are not, so don't act that way.

Much love!

 

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"Not given the same requirement as those who lived out their faith and had time to study their Bible"

First, You are coming from a false premise that God only requires belief only from those on their death beds to be saved.

These scenarios you are giving are mans reasoning to get around Gods ordered/ arranged gospel plan of salvation.

I'm not going along with a false premise.

Forget about the deathbed argument that is always used to get around what Jesus said in His gospel.

Let's look at anyone, who needs to be saved. They all ,no matter their situation must meet Gods requirements in order for Him to save them.

They are,
A Heart (Mind) that desires to know God.Faith
A Heart that is willing to give their life over to God. Obedience/work

Without both You cannot be accepted by God.

To say I truly desire to know God( True Biblical Faith).

Yet not have a mind that does not also desire to submit my will to the God I am seeking to know.

Is a person who does not meet Gods conditions to be saved.

Someone who claims they have faith only. And that faith will save them.
Does not know God.
The Bible teaches those who have no desire to obey God just believe only.
Do not know Him!

Your false premise is not supported by scripture.

1John 2:3-5
He whom says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in Him.
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know we are in Him.

God expects everyone to meet the same requirements to be saved.
But due to physical limitations as I have already pointed out.

This does not change Gods ordained plan on how He has chosen to save mankind.

So, anyone who is on their deathbed must meet the same requirements as anyone one else.

They must have more in their heart than just belief.
They must desire to obey all that God has commanded them.
I would teach every person Jesus' gospel. All of it.
Whether they are unable to physically be baptized or not.
God requires obedience from everyone who is accountable to the gospel.

If a person physically is hindered from being baptized.
If that person could be baptized they better have the HEART to want to be baptized.
If they think that not obeying God just believing in Christ, is enough.
They have created a gospel that Jesus and His apostles never taught.

Faith alone and no desire to obey cannot save anyone.
Faith alone and no desire to obey God on your deathbed cannot save.

It is the same gospel for everyone that is accountable to it. Regardless of circumstances.

Your example of being hired on the job does not represent the true gospel.
That example is once again based off of the false premise that you do nothing initially to be saved ie no obedience.

God does not "hire" anyone who does not first obey His gospel.
There is nothing to obey, In your job hiring story.

In reality there are requirements to getting hired.
One example of obedience to get hired is,
You must submit to drug testing and to be hired, obey the company's rules on the use of illegal substances.
I don't like this argument. It proves nothing.




This has nothing to do with what I believe saves us today.
You know the Jews lacked faith. They were trying to be saved by works.

I don't teach you can be saved by works of man.
And I dont teach you can be saved without faith.

The law of Christ is what must be believed and obeyed today in order to be saved.
1Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who no not God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our lord Jesus Christ.
Christ's law must be obeyed,
James 1:25
But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a DOER of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Jesus law is His will, His new covenant, new testament.
His gospel conditions require obedience not just faith only.

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Faith in Christ and working His will and testament is what saves us.



Wrong Sir. Every commandment must be obeyed!
Obedience is work.
The only way a commandment is not a work is if commandments are not to be obeyed.
Do you know of any commandments that do not require obedience?

James 2:20
But do you want to know O foolish man, that faith without obedience is dead?



So, there is more than one way to be saved?
More than one gospel from Jesus?

Babies are not proof of different requirements to be saved in Jesus' gospel.
Simply because they are without understanding.
If an adult was born severely mentally disabled to the point he was not competent to obey Jesus' gospel.
He would not be required to obey the gospel to be saved.
This like babies does not prove those who are accountable get saved by different requirements.

Also this is not favoritism but fairness. For God does require more from whom he has given greater ability.
God is capable of equal measure based upon the gifts He has given to the individual.
This also does not change the standard for How God has ordered His gospel plan to save mankind.



Sir, your arguments on the thief are just your think sos, mere speculation.
If you cannot back it up with scripture. Then you have no case.



You just taught the opposite of what the Bible teaches, on the purpose of John's baptism.
You say it does not save. Gods word teaches it does save.

For the forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 26:28
For this is My shed blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jesus's blood was shed in order to do what? Answer forgive sins!

John's baptism did what?

Mark 1:4
John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

You changed the purpose of John's baptism.
Be consistent and tell me that Jesus' shed blood was also not for the remission of sins? I know you will not use that argument!
You are making lots of contradictions Sir.




Nope. Babies are not yet given ability.
Therefore what would be favoritism would be to hold them accountable.


No Sir! They cannot be saved by faith alone.
A person unable to move on their deathbed can have a repentant heart.
You are teaching me folks can be saved on their deathbed that do not repent just believe only.

Again, God does not save those who's hearts are not willing to give all their lives/will to God.
Faith and obedience saves. Never just belief only.



Exactly my point!!! They have the right heart/mind!
Who has the right heart that just believes but does not repent?

At this point, if you don't see what I have shown with Scripture, you are never going to see it. There is no point to keep endlessly going back and forth on this point (if you refuse to see the verse points I made).

May God bless you and let's agree to disagree.

 

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Okay. Why would Paul say this to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 6? It's because of 1 Corinthians 5. A believer was fornicating in the church and Paul was telling them to kick this guy out. Paul says that believers are not to have company with any brother who is a fornicator. So Paul is telling them that they will not inherit the kingdom of God if they do such sins.

You don't know who is and who is not born again, all you know is what someone says and does.

And again I'm going to point to a more careful reading.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

It may seem insignificant to you, but not to me . . .

God does not say here that those who steal will not inherit, He says, "thieves" will not inherit.

Why is this important?

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

It's not the behavior, it's the identification. Do you see how this affects the meaning? Such were some of you . . .

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 KJV
18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So we are told to flee the behavior, because we no longer bear the identification. We are no longer who and what we were, so don't act like you are.

Much love!

 

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He's writing the way all the apostles wrote, not presuming that the reader is born again, or not, and not presuming that people never think they are right with God when they actually are not. These are ways you can know, and if you read the passages carefully, without one mindset or the other, you will see this.

Like Colossians 3, If you were raised with Christ . . . this is the condition, and if that condition exists, then the outcome is assured, you shall appear with Him in glory.

And in 1 Corinthians 6, Such people will not inherit, and you used to be one of those, but now you are not, so don't act that way.

Much love!

So telling believers to “don't act that way”... means... salvation is conditional.

The Parable of the Prodigal Son disproves OSAS.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32): Was the prodigal son saved while he was living it up with prostitutes? No. How do we know? Well, when the prodigal son came home to his father, his father said he was “dead” and “alive AGAIN” two times within the parable. His father also said that he was “lost” and now he is “found”, too. Generally when we speak of the lost in the Bible, it is referring to those who are not saved. So the prodigal son was dead spiritually while he was living it up with prostitutes, and he became alive AGAIN spiritually when he came back home to his father and sought forgiveness with him. This same truth is expressed in James 5:19-20, as well.

 

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So telling believers to “don't act that way”... means... salvation is conditional.

How so? No it doesn't.

"You've grown up, so don't act childish." Now, if you act childish, does that mean you are no longer grown up? No, it means a grown up is acting childish, but they are still grown up.

Much love!

 

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You don't know who is and who is not born again, all you know is what someone says and does.

And again I'm going to point to a more careful reading.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV
9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

It may seem insignificant to you, but not to me . . .

God does not say here that those who steal will not inherit, He says, "thieves" will not inherit.

Why is this important?

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

It's not the behavior, it's the identification. Do you see how this affects the meaning? Such were some of you . . .

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 KJV
18) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So we are told to flee the behavior, because we no longer bear the identification. We are no longer who and what we were, so don't act like you are.

Much love!

But you say a person can still steal and be saved, though. So there is no real motivation to stop. One can do evil and be in God's kingdom. Yet, 1 John 3:15 says that to hate your brother is to have no eternal life abiding in you.
He that does not provide for his own is worse than infidel (unbeliever) (1 Timothy 5:8). Why would Jesus warn us to not look upon a woman in lust? He says that by doing so... one's whole body will be cast into hellfire. Jesus does not say there is a free pass for believers doing this or that believers are not capable of doing such. In fact.... it would be pointless to tell unbelievers about this because they cannot be saved without first accepting Jesus as their Savior.

 

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At this point, if you don't see what I have shown with Scripture, you are never going to see it. There is no point to keep endlessly going back and forth on this point (if you refuse to see the verse points I made).

May God bless you and let's agree to disagree.

I don't refuse to see anything. I've spent years studying this very thing . . . for a reason . . . and that reason is not to be blind. It's to know the truth, because it's truth that sets us free. And this truth is very liberating. In fact, it's what gives us that freedom to not walk in sin.

If you don't wish to dialog, simply don't reply. I may continue to post exegesis on these passages. Feel free to ignore.

Much love!

 

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So there is no real motivation to stop.

Not true! Do you only become transformed into Christ's image if you are under threat of condemnation?

That's what drives the flesh into the frenzy of sin. It actually works against you.

Romans 7:5 KJV
5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Much love!

 

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How so? No it doesn't.

"You've grown up, so don't act childish." Now, if you act childish, does that mean you are no longer grown up? No, it means a grown up is acting childish, but they are still grown up.

Much love!

Again, if there is no penalty... nobody is going to really obey. For if there was no penalty to breaking the speed limit on the highway any more then more people will start to speed and drive like maniacs. Others will obey it simply because of safety reasons and they don't want to get in an accident. Again,... they obey out of the consequences of what could happen that is bad.

 

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But you say a person can still steal and be saved, though. So there is no real motivation to stop. One can do evil and be in God's kingdom. Yet, 1 John 3:15 says that to hate your brother is to have no eternal life abiding in you.
He that does not provide for his own is worse than infidel (unbeliever) (1 Timothy 5:8). Why would Jesus warn us to not look upon a woman in lust? He says that by doing so... one's whole body will be cast into hellfire. Jesus does not say there is a free pass for believers doing this or that believers are not capable of doing such. In fact.... it would be pointless to tell unbelievers about this because they cannot be saved without first accepting Jesus as their Savior.

If you, a born again person, tell a lie, will you be condemned? If not, why not? A single lie.

Much love!

 

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I don't refuse to see anything. I've spent years studying this very thing . . . for a reason . . . and that reason is not to be blind. It's to know the truth, because it's truth that sets us free. And this truth is very liberating. In fact, it's what gives us that freedom to not walk in sin.

If you don't wish to dialog, simply don't reply. I may continue to post exegesis on these passages. Feel free to ignore.

Much love!

You are still not dealing with Matthew 5:28-30.
Oh, and no. If there was no penalty to sin... that would not make a person to not sin.
The exact opposite will happen. People will justify whatever sin they like on some level if there is no penalty for sin.
To say so otherwise is confusion.

 

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For if there was no penalty to breaking the speed limit on the highway any more then more people will start to speed and drive like maniacs.

Really? Will you drive like a maniac? I won't. I value my life, and value my car, and value other people, and their cars. So why would I drive like a maniac?

The speed limit or lack thereof doesn't determine what sort of a person I am, whether I am careful or not. But those who aren't careful will be revealed. Then again, they are revealed anyway as I watch them drive.

Again,... they obey out of the consequences of what could happen that is bad.

I drive safely because it is good for all of us.

We live righteously because it is good for us to do so, not because we will be condemned to hell if we don't. That's what salvation is about. We are saved from sin.

Much love!

 

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If you, a born again person, tell a lie, will you be condemned? If not, why not? A single lie.

Much love!

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:42-44).

 

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On the other thread our friend even seemed to imply that a believer getting a Bible verse tattoo risks losing his - or often her - salvation.

Now I see where our friend is coming from doctrinally.

Romans 8.38-39 is powerfully assuring to the true believer; as is John's First Epistle.

 

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Really? Will you drive like a maniac? I won't. I value my life, and value my car, and value other people, and their cars. So why would I drive like a maniac?

You just proved my point. Because there are CONSEQUENCES to your wrong action.
This is the same with the Bible's teaching on Conditional Salvation. If you sin, and you don't confess and forsake that sin... spiritual death will be upon you.

 

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You are still not dealing with Matthew 5:28-30.

Patience! You haven't even posed a question or assertion, at least that I recall, only, you have to deal with the passage. OK.

Matthew 5:28-30 KJV
28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

OK, what specifically are you asking me?

Is this passage teaching that those who were baptized into Jesus Christ's death, who have been recreated in God's pattern, God's spirit children, that God may cast them into hell? Is that what you are asking me?

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