The 1st century way to be saved via water and Spirit baptism

[user]

I’m sure you are disappointment as you obviously feed on contention. Do you have a problem with the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19? Do you believe that Romans 6:3-5 some how negates Matthew 28:19?

Matthew 28:19 isn't the only account of the great commission...

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[4] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.
[49] And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
[50] And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

[51] And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
[52] And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:


They return to Jerusalem and are filled with the Holy Ghost, and when this is noised abroad this is what happens...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


In fact, let me encourage you to do a word search for Father, Son, Holy Ghost and you will discover there is only one (1) hit - that is Matthew 28:18 ... Jesus was telling them what to DO, NOT what to REPEAT verbatim.

 

[Truther]

These were only foreshadowings.

The apostle Paul ("line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little") elaborated to say, "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual."

He (Paul) also, even then--two thousand years ago counselled against such religious practices, saying:

"For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits."
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So, no, the early church did not get it right...and sadly, the church has only promoted those things he counselled against and made a desert out of what might have been a fruitful field.

I see what you think.

The early church of Acts 2 got it wrong and you got it right.

Hmmm...seen 'em say that before.

 

[Truther]

If the information from the article that I shared with you went right over your head, then you are thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable. I will now leave you to your childish games and your folly. You are not fooling anyone except the already fooled.

It is a childish game to watch you refuse to say what the name of the son is?

Or, are you playing games with God and truth.

I see the latter.

 

[mailmandan]

It is a childish game to watch you refuse to say what the name of the son is?

Or, are you playing games with God and truth.

I see the latter.

You only see what you want to see.

 

[Truther]

You only see what you want to see.

No, I know that you know the name of the son and you and I know it is not son.
You say you were baptized in the name of the son and not the name of Jesus Christ.
I just want to know what other name you used other than Jesus Christ?

 

[Truther]

You and I are called sons but that’s not our names

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: 1st century salvation = water and Spirit?
Yes and no. Please note the following:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Especially Luke 7:29-30;
Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST,
for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law = Yes, water AND Spirit!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Mystery/GRACE! = NO water and Spirit! According To
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 ◄◄◄)
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Conclusion: Yes, previously, there WERE two baptismS.
No! Currently, God Has "Only ONE" Baptism Today? = ONE!

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for
us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's
{Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!?
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FULL "study" of ALL Bible baptisms is here:

"Divider" Poll THIRTEEN Bible baptisms

LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, That Has Solved my Confusion. May This Also be used for the
Encouragement of Many others. Amen.

 

[TLHKAJ]

As per this verse which has been quoted only in part over and over .....

1 Peter 3:21-22
[21]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
[22]Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

.... it's not the putting away of the filth of the flesh that saves, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.

Jesus Himself told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him (Jesus) in paradise that day. When was the thief baptized with water???

The baptism of John is often called "the baptism of repentance." It is about repentance ....a heart decision to forsake a sinful life and follow Christ.

Acts 19:3-4
[3]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
[4]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

No, I know that you know the name of the son and you and I know it is not son.
You say you were baptized in the name of the son and not the name of Jesus Christ.
I just want to know what other name you used other than Jesus Christ?

It’s all explained in the article. Did you even bother to read it? Jesus Christ is the only begotten/unique/one of a kind Son of God. Jesus is God in essence/nature. Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinitarian formula because they reject the Trinity. Do you also reject the Trinity? To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Do you reject the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19? H20 cannot save you and neither can reciting baptismal formulas.

 

[mailmandan]

You and I are called sons but that’s not our names

Believers are adopted “sons” but we are not the only begotten/unique/one of a kind “Son” of God/God in the flesh. (John 1:1-14; Colossians 2:9)

 

[ScottA]

It looks like you are saying Jesus goofed when he told Nicodemus, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

And Mark 16:16 says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Paul wrote to the Romans saying, "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

On the contrary, I am also saying what Jesus told Nicodemus...which is first the natural and then the spiritual. The point being that Jesus initiated that new spiritual birth, but the early church fathers went back to the elementary principles and practices that were only to teach of the real need to stop walking in the flesh and to walk in the spirit.

However, there are both narratives in the gospels, for which they need to be "rightly divided": those words regarding the flesh of that (this, Jesus') generation who were still to be baptized with water symbolizing being born of women. But during that generation, with the coming of Christ and the Holy Spirit, things were to change. So, the apostles continued to teach Israel the according to the old man of flesh, but yes, Paul "pressed on" to the new--to the Spirit...that greater calling of God.

 

[ScottA]

I see what you think.

The early church of Acts 2 got it wrong and you got it right.

Hmmm...seen 'em say that before.

No...Paul got it right, teaching of the old man and the new, and to "press on" "leaving behind those elementary principles."

As for me, I hear His voice...which you now dis me for, preferring milk, against the very things that make up the full gospel.

 

[Truther]

It’s all explained in the article. Did you even bother to read it? Jesus Christ is the only begotten/unique/one of a kind Son of God. Jesus is God in essence/nature. Oneness Pentecostals reject the Trinitarian formula because they reject the Trinity. Do you also reject the Trinity? To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Do you reject the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19? H20 cannot save you and neither can reciting baptismal formulas.

So, were you baptized in the name of the son or not?

Do you know what the son's name is?

If you think Matt 28:19 is Jesus admitting that his name is "son", I can sell you the Hollywood Bowl for penny's on the dollar.

I am baptized in the name of the son(Jesus).

It was super easy for me to see in 1979.

I compared Matt 28:19 to Acts 2:38 and bingo, I figured it out at 18 years old...


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Peter had the same understanding as I did as a teen.

Can you see it yet at your age?

 

[Truther]

Believers are adopted “sons” but we are not the only begotten/unique/one of a kind “Son” of God/God in the flesh. (John 1:1-14; Colossians 2:9)

Amen.

My point is our names are not "son", nor is Jesus' name "son".

"Son" is a descriptive title of being a child of a father.

There are billions of folks called "son" alive right now, but they all have actual names.

The son of God(Jesus) had an actual name too.

Take a guess what that name is?

 

[Truther]

No...Paul got it right, teaching of the old man and the new, and to "press on" "leaving behind those elementary principles."

As for me, I hear His voice...which you now dis me for, preferring milk, against the very things that make up the full gospel.

I dis everyone but the NT words.

I trust nobody's interpretation.

I reject mass commentary as differing levels of lies.

The foundation of Christendom changes not, because it is in the Bible.

New revelations of what the Bible "forgot to say" are not invited to the faith party.

 

[mailmandan]

So, were you baptized in the name of the son or not?

Do you know what the son's name is?

If you think Matt 28:19 is Jesus admitting that his name is "son", I can sell you the Hollywood Bowl for penny's on the dollar.

I am baptized in the name of the son(Jesus).

It was super easy for me to see in 1979.

I compared Matt 28:19 to Acts 2:38 and bingo, I figured it out at 18 years old...


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter had the same understanding as I did as a teen.

Can you see it yet at your age?

You still just don’t get it and probably never will.

 

[Truther]

You still just don’t get it and probably never will.

Get that Acts 2:38 is Peter's perfect understanding of Jesus' commission per Matt 28:19?

Get the Biblical concept that the actual name of the son is "Jesus"?

What else don't I get and probably never will?

 

[ScottA]

I dis everyone but the NT words.

I trust nobody's interpretation.

I reject mass commentary as differing levels of lies.

The foundation of Christendom changes not, because it is in the Bible.

New revelations of what the Bible "forgot to say" are not invited to the faith party.

In which case you are selectively leaving out Jesus' commission to the Helper, the Holy Spirit, and Paul, to continue in those things of which He had "more to say" that the apostles could "not bear" then, to lead us into all truth. The bible did not "forget to say", but you have forgotten to include all:

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." John 14:16-17

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." John 16:12-13
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By disregarding the complete gospel you stifle the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

In which case you are selectively leaving out Jesus' commission to the Helper, the Holy Spirit, and Paul, to continue in those things of which He had "more to say" that the apostles could "not bear" then, to lead us into all truth. The bible did not "forget to say", but you have forgotten to include all:

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." John 14:16-17

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." John 16:12-13
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By disregarding the complete gospel you stifle the Holy Spirit.

Jesus was speaking to his disciples, not you, I or the Pope.

They were shown by the Holy Ghost what we today must adhere to.

Read the Bible right.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus was speaking to his disciples, not you, I or the Pope.

They were shown by the Holy Ghost what we today must adhere to.

Read the Bible right.

You should take your own advise.

The apostles and disciples to whom Jesus spoke, were the start of the church of which we are also included, if we are also born of the same Spirit. If we follow Him...we also are His disciples.