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What do you do when you are having a theological disagreement with someone, and they insult you? It seems to me it’s best to ignore the insult and explain where the other person’s logic is wrong.

Jesus explained what happens when we insult people (Matthew 5:22). There are people who claim they are following Jesus, who apparently aren’t.
 

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What do you do when you are having a theological disagreement with someone, and they insult you? It seems to me it’s best to ignore the insult and explain where the other person’s logic is wrong.

Jesus explained what happens when we insult people (Matthew 5:22). There are people who claim they are following Jesus, who apparently aren’t.
If I have more to say, I'll just say it as dispassionately as I can. But if it looks like emotions are running hot, I'll disengage from the conversation. Life is too short to waste in internet p!$$ing matches, and if it gets to that point, nobody's listening to what I'm saying anyway.
 
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Unfortunately, that strategy only emboldens the jackals, and leaves the board in control of whoever can howl the loudest and stamp their feet the hardest. Appearing weak gets you targeted by the predators.
 
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There’s two groups of people I avoid having Bible discussions with:

1. Sectarian Believers.
2. Unbelievers.

It’s never edifying and it grieves my spirit having a Bible conversation with these two groups.
 
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Unfortunately, that strategy only emboldens the jackals, and leaves the board in control of whoever can howl the loudest and stamp their feet the hardest. Appearing weak gets you targeted by the predators.
But if you ignore the insult and show the other person the error in their logic, I think you will quiet them down.
 
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There’s two groups of people I avoid having Bible discussions with:

1. Sectarian Believers.
2. Unbelievers.

It’s never edifying and it grieves my spirit having a Bible conversation with these two groups.
Such discussions can be painful, but if you can ignore the hostility and show them where they are wrong, then I think the satisfaction outweighs the pain. Why else would we be here?
 

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Sometimes people just enjoy twisting and picking others' words apart and insulting them, often because of their own insecurities. That happened to me a couple days ago. I was told that since I felt joy when I was filled with Holy Spirit, that I was operating in a kundalini spirit. I just explained my position a couple or few times and then put them on ignore.

Things like that are why I very seldom get involved (on forums) with Biblical discussions. And that's sad. But I don't enjoy debating and strife, so I mostly avoid the discussions.... sad to say.

I'd rather discuss scripture with people who love the Lord and are excited about the treasures in His Word. I have a few friends who I discuss scriptures with who share that excitement and enthusiasm.
 
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show them where they are wrong

Show sectarians or unbelievers where they are wrong?

Good luck!

I have wasted time and energy doing that very thing.

But according to scripture we are to engage in this very act (which seems futile in the moment, but perhaps has positive results in the long run):

“And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.” (Ezekiel 2:7)
 

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Show sectarians or unbelievers where they are wrong?

Good luck!

I have wasted time and energy doing that very thing.

But according to scripture we are to engage in this very act (which seems futile in the moment, but perhaps has positive results in the long run):

“And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.” (Ezekiel 2:7)
Flaws in logic can be exposed. Doesn't that usually silence them?
 

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Sometimes people just enjoy twisting and picking others' words apart and insulting them, often because of their own insecurities. That happened to me a couple days ago. I was told that since I felt joy when I was filled with Holy Spirit, that I was operating in a kundalini spirit. I just explained my position a couple or few times and then put them on ignore.

Things like that are why I very seldom get involved (on forums) with Biblical discussions. And that's sad. But I don't enjoy debating and strife, so I mostly avoid the discussions.... sad to say.

I'd rather discuss scripture with people who love the Lord and are excited about the treasures in His Word. I have a few friends who I discuss scriptures with who share that excitement and enthusiasm.
The Lord has taught me things that bring me great joy, and I like to share what I've learned. I find people aren't always pleased with this.
 

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Perhaps so. When someone says something unkind, the temptation is to respond.
PS ....I just noticed my typo. (lol) I went back and fixed it. Sometimes I don't catch those on my little phone screen. I don't use autocorrect because that gets me into a lot more messes! lol
 

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What do you do when you are having a theological disagreement with someone, and they insult you? It seems to me it’s best to ignore the insult and explain where the other person’s logic is wrong.

Jesus explained what happens when we insult people (Matthew 5:22). There are people who claim they are following Jesus, who apparently aren’t.
While I agree with the general principle that casting insult isn't loving, there are two proverbs which I consider when in argument with individuals who are professing "Christianity" while acting maliciously in posts.

Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness,
Or you will also be like him.
Answer a fool as his foolishness deserves,
So that he will not be wise in his own eyes.

Proverbs 26:4-5 NASB

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Proverbs 26:4-5 NKJV

Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
lest he be wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:4-5 ESV

These two verses are not Christian instruction, but wisdom literature (but Christ tells us to be wise as serpents and gentle as lambs.) I've provided 3 popular translations, all considered as from accurate sources, but the Hebrew isn't as specific as Greek or English. Perhaps you'll notice that the NASB translation is "softened" compared to the ESV and NKJV versions, probably to conform to our modern notions of Christian charity. I believe that the ESV and NKJV are more accurate in their sharpness because these verses imply a use in the form of judgment and rebuke.

Some transgressors are more responsive to a slap in the face than a kiss on the cheek. It's not endearing, but shaming. Our society has lost a healthy sense of shame, an emotion which opposes pride and forces self inspection, leading to repentance in the heart softened by God.

There's obviously a huge difference between abusiveness and sincere correction, but are you angry at your parents, counselors, authority figures who motivated you to change your behavior to instill character in you?
Are you angry at God who disciplines you through the circumstances of your life?
No one likes to be on the "business end" of the rod of correction, but those who learn by it grow in wisdom.

Now, you might say, what gives anyone the right to rebuke you, especially when you see no fault in yourself. King David demonstrates a godly perspective when forced to retreat from Jerusalem by the usurpation of his throne by his son Absalom.
5 Now when King David came to Bahurim, there was a man from the family of the house of Saul, whose name was Shimei the son of Gera, coming from there. He came out, cursing continuously as he came. 6 And he threw stones at David and at all the servants of King David. And all the people and all the mighty men were on his right hand and on his left. 7 Also Shimei said thus when he cursed: “Come out! Come out! You bloodthirsty man, you rogue! 8 The Lord has brought upon you all the blood of the house of Saul, in whose place you have reigned; and the Lord has delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom your son. So now you are caught in your own evil, because you are a bloodthirsty man!”

9 Then Abishai the son of Zeruiah said to the king, “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? Please, let me go over and take off his head!”

10 But the king said, “What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah? So let him curse, because the Lord has said to him, ‘Curse David.’ Who then shall say, ‘Why have you done so?’ ”

11 And David said to Abishai and all his servants, “See how my son who came from my own body seeks my life. How much more now may this Benjamite? Let him alone, and let him curse; for so the Lord has ordered him. 12 It may be that the Lord will look on my affliction, and that the Lord will repay me with good for his cursing this day.” 13 And as David and his men went along the road, Shimei went along the hillside opposite him and cursed as he went, threw stones at him and kicked up dust.
2 Samuel 16:5-13
King David didn't forgive his tormentor. He even advised Solomon to have Shimei executed when he passed the throne down to Solomon. But David recognized that God allowed or even caused this behavior by Shimei and might possibly bless him in his affliction. David believed in God's sovereign control over creation and held to a belief similar to what the Apostle later wrote in Romans chapter 8:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. Romans 8:28

This doesn't excuse our transgression in acting abusively, but those things which we endure as abuses actually demonstrate our blessings in Christ.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great
is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Matthew 5:10-12

Rebukes are different from insult, but they can be received as the same. Rebukes imply fault while insult belittles. What's the actual difference? Both tear down a person rather than lift them up, but do you want to lift up transgression?
Do you want people to be content in their faults?
Open rebuke is better
Than love carefully concealed.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Proverbs 27:5-6
Again, this is wisdom literature, not Christian instruction, but King David took the perspective that everything ultimately came from the hand of God, and he allowed that perspective to mold his behavior.

Job expressed a similar attitude toward life:

10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips. Job 2:10

The final word belongs to Jesus and a standard difficult, but not impossible to live up to:

And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise. Luke 6:31

You'll notice that Jesus lays the burden of response at our feet. We're fundamentally responsible for our own behavior, our own responses, not for the behavior and response of others. If you don't want to be goaded, don't goad. If you don't want to be insulted, don't insult.

We can never fully know the motive of another person's words or actions, we can only know our own, and the fundamental truth that another may intend something for evil, but God's intent is only good.
 
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