When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Taken]

Many will fight tooth and toe nail, trying to establish a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, that's found no place in scripture.

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Rev 20:

• [2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

• [3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

• [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

• [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

• [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

• [7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[ewq1938]

Smiles, you talk about how you cant understand those who see the great tribulation taking place over the centuries

LOL. Christ said the Great Tribulation would be SHORTENED from it's original length not made longer! What a ridiculous and unbiblical teaching that is!

The Great Tribulation is 42 months long, not centuries.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Gods Wrath IS ALWAYS AGAINST the unrighteous. Already gave you the Scripture.
Opening of the SEALS SHALL effect the inhabitants of the Earth AGAINST...
The Lamb of God...The Lamb of God’s Wrath IS DURING THE Opening of the Seals....
You can read that for yourself...Rev 6:, particularly Rev 6:16.
* Not particularly news....The majority of Israel (Gods people), widely called the Jews, are Against the Lamb of God....and shall suffer the Wrath of the Lamb.
* Not particularly news....Atheists and other god worshiping men are Against the Lamb of God....and shall suffer the Wrath of the Lamb.

Is there some SECRET Remedy that Earthquakes, buying and selling of goods, famines.....WILL NOT AFFECT YOU, “as you insist YOU shall be ON Earth during the Great Tribulation?” How will that NOT affect You? Why?
Or do you believe the Lambs Wrath, beginning with the Seals, is not A PART of Gods Wrath?
Or something else?



Rev IS a RECAP of prophecy fulfilled AND prophetic future.
Israel IS the Elect of God. Those CUT OFF ARE CUT OFF. Those LOST are sought out. The Grafting IN applies to Gentiles, which has been occurring for 2,000 years. The Lost Israel, primarily the 10 Tribes scattered, HAVE Been for 50 years returning to ISRAEL, establishing their citizenship AS Israelis citizens, returning to the little strip of Land designated as ISRAEL, a Nation, since 1948.




Already occurred. During the Son of Mans re-evaluation 2,000 years Ago.



Future. During the Tribulation. Mt. Zion the 144,000 with the Lamb.



Future. Armageddon at end of thousand year reign when Satan is released to make War with Christ’s Kingdom on Earth.

“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I want to point out a couple things in this verse.

1. They already have robes. They are not naked as those who are unsaved. (“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”...“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

No one but Jews become saved during the GT. No new Gentiles become saved, so those who come out of the GT who were not Jews, but Gentiles, were already in the Church at the beginning of the GT. 2 Thes. 2:8-12.

Jesus spoke 7 letters to His Church throughout the ages. There are some who need to repent, and some who are already worthy. " 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

Laocedia is the church with fake Christians. "17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see."

Here is the church in the worst trouble, because of their pagan doctrine of the queen of heaven (Jezebel). "21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come. 26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

 

[dad]

Luke 21:
[27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
[28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
[29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
[33] Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.



Correct. ^ that is not the Rapture.
It’s a warning and revelation and expectation to those who DID NOT accept the Lords Conversion. They are going to go through Gods Tribulation.
LESS THEY TAKE HEED....and become worthy to BE Prepared, BE Accounted to Escape the Wrath of God, Be Converted, Be Risen up off the face of the Earth...ie Raptured.——->

I see no warning in those verses. It is encouragement that when the things begin to happen, it is time to look up for our redemption is near.

Luke 21:
34] And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
^ AMEN !! ^

Since you already admitted that was not talking about the Rapture, not sure why you post this?

What on people ON EARTH DOING WHEN THEY SEE the Son of Man Coming?
Matt 24:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Correct. That is when every eye shall see Him and He returns TO the earth. Of course the worldly people will not like it.

Really? Are you going to be ON earth, look up, see the Son of man coming....
And MOURN?

The ones that mourn are the unsaved and this is not the Rapture but the second coming and return to earth of Jesus with us His saints that were already taken up long before this.

 

[dad]

LOL. Christ said the Great Tribulation would be SHORTENED from it's original length not made longer! What a ridiculous and unbiblical teaching that is!

The Great Tribulation is 42 months long, not centuries.

He did not say the length was shortened. He said the days would be shortened. Shortened to what we know. He tells us the weeks and months and days.

 

[Truth7t7]

Comes. Yes. Ends...not in any less time than the things that happen in it take.
The heavens pass away at the end of the 1000 years so we know that day includes that.

To claim that the heavens being "Dissolved" takes place "After" a literal 1,000 year gap, and no mention of the earth being dissolved?

Perhaps Luke 17:29-30 seen below takes place in the gap theory also?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

I was not aware that we knew all the purposes God has?

No possibility. It says we shall rule and reign with Him for the 1000 years! Look around. That is not happening on earth.


Whether he is or not doesn't affect the fact that he will be when the 1000 years start!

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

You are not reigning with Christ now. I kid you not.

Looking at one example of 'the day of the Lord' I see this

Isa
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

In verse 12 we see it is talking about the day of the Lord.
Isaiah 2:12
For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

If Jesus returned to earth, say, at 3 pm, do you really think all swords on earth would be beaten into plowshares? And if it was all burned up who needs plowshares anyhow? Do you think that by 5 PM that day the world would no longer learn war? Do you think the world would be taught His ways by 6PM that day? Do you think people would be going all over saying come to Jerusalem by 7PM? Do you think His kingdom would be well established by 8PM, and that people would be taught His ways and walking in His paths by 9PM?

Isaiah chapter 2 is showing nothing more than the eternal kingdom "After" the day of the Lord takes place, you will closely note the fear of man and his breath will be taken from his nostrils (In That Day)

Isaiah 2:20-22KJV
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

 

[ewq1938]

He did not say the length was shortened. He said the days would be shortened.

That's the same thing. It was a certain amount of days, and he shortened it down to less days. It originally was 7 years and now it's half of that. This whole centuries long GT is not scriptural and contradicts what Christ said.

 

[ewq1938]

To claim that the heavens being "Dissolved" takes place "After" a literal 1,000 year gap, and no mention of the earth being dissolved?

Perhaps Luke 17:29-30 seen below takes place in the gap theory also?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

That happens LONG after the second coming, seen in Revelation 21.

 

[Truth7t7]

That happens LONG after the second coming, seen in Revelation 21.

Scripture teaches the Lords fire in judgement takes place when he is "Revealed", and that is "Immediate"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Truth7t7]

WHOOPS! ERROR!


Rev 20:

• [2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

• [3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

• [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

• [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

• [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

• [7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

The Lord returns in fire and final judgement, just as post #493 shows, please respond to that post

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. Christ said the Great Tribulation would be SHORTENED from it's original length not made longer! What a ridiculous and unbiblical teaching that is!

The Great Tribulation is 42 months long, not centuries.

I fully agree the tribulation is 42 months long, smiles!

 

[Oseas]

Not sure what point you were trying to make. It sounds like you feel we all need to go through the wrath of God.

I see that the line up of your vision still needs of some corrections to fit with the real and true events that will happen from now on, day after day, strictly, yes, strictly according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.
First of all, I would like to make a record that Israel will NEVER be invaded by Russians' armies or other nation.

How really will Israel be invaded?

What will really happen in Israel is that the false messiah will manifest himself (by the way, he was already born decades ago) and he will sit on his throne in Jerusalem saying he is God, showing himself that he is God by great signs and wonders of lie he has power to do. THIS SATANIC EVENT will cause a great impact in the world as a whole, even the CHRISTIANS BELIEVERS will be astonished with this event and with the great wonders that will be made by the false messiah: And now? Believe or not believe in that Jewish Man messiah of the Jews?
As a God, he will make a COVENANT with the Man Beast of sea, in fact he will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority to the Gentile Beast of sea now enthroned in Jerusalem, and the CURT will be given to the Gentile peoples, Gentile nations, and the Holy City shall they tread under foot AS AN INVASION forty and two months-1.260 days. THIS IS/WILL BE THE FIRST HALF OF THE WEEK 70th Daniel 9:v.27 and Revelation 13:v.5

IN THE OTHER HAND, THERE WILL NOT BE WWIII, the only World War that will happen from now on and until the END of the times is written in Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, and 12:v.7, combined with Revelation 16:v.13-16, and Revelation 19:v.11 to 21, and 1Corinthians 15:v.24-28.

You and ALL must be ready.

What does the Word of GOD say?
JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:

VERSE 6 - Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: Actually, this is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day).

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand, for now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, so far, inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-, and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:
7 But the HEAVENS and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the HEAVENS shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God (Day of Judment), wherein the HEAVENS being on fire shall be DISSOLVED (IN WHAT HEAVEN ARE YOU, ACCORDING EPHESIANS 1:v.3, AMONG OTHERS?), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens (THE THIRD, AND THE HEAVEN OF THE HEAVENS-Luke 20:v.35-36) and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

FOR NOW, we are in the beginning of sorrows, but the sorrows will be incrased exceedingly from now on and the torment too. As is written in Luke 21:v.26-27: ,
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of HEAVEN (EPHESIANS 1:v.3) shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud(cloud? Psalm 97:v.2) with power and great glory.

Be careful or get ready.

Revelation 6:v.14-17
The HEAVEN (HEAVEN? Ephesians 1:v.3 among others-Check it- , by the way, the HEAVEN which are now) will be departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and (by alegory) every mountain and island were (will be) MOVED out of their places. (as it is above described in red color).
15 And the kings (the rulers) of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(the Lord's Day-Revelation 11:v.18); and who shall be able to stand?

 

[dad]

To claim that the heavens being "Dissolved" takes place "After" a literal 1,000 year gap, and no mention of the earth being dissolved?

The earth cannot be dissolved and Jesus and us rule it at the same time. You conflate the time when the heavens and earth are made new with the return of Jesus and our rule on this earth. The period simply lasts longer than you thought.

Perhaps Luke 17:29-30 seen below takes place in the gap theory also?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Jesus will destroy and kill all enemies on that day. Fire is involved then as well.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Think of the key words here being "in which"

That is correct in that day the heavens will pass away. At the end of that 1000 years to be precise.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Wherein. In that time. In that day of the Lord. At the end of it to be precise.

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Yes we sure do and we know when that comes.

 

[Truth7t7]

The earth cannot be dissolved and Jesus and us rule it at the same time. You conflate the time when the heavens and earth are made new with the return of Jesus and our rule on this earth. The period simply lasts longer than you thought.
Jesus will destroy and kill all enemies on that day. Fire is involved then as well.
Think of the key words here being "in which"

That is correct in that day the heavens will pass away. At the end of that 1000 years to be precise.


Wherein. In that time. In that day of the Lord. At the end of it to be precise.
Yes we sure do and we know when that comes.

We Strongly Disagree

You have provided much speculation, assumption, and opinion, that's all void of scriptural support

The enormous amount of scripture provided proves otherwise

Jesus will return in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, there won't be a Millennium on this earth, it will be "Dissolved"

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[dad]

We Strongly Disagree

You have provided much , speculation, assumption, and opinion, that's all void of scriptural support

The enormous amount of scripture provided proves otherwise

Jesus will return in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, there won't be a Millennium on this earth, it will be "Dissolved"

Jesus Is The Lord

The scripture you gave said nothing like you tried to make it say. Period.

 

[ewq1938]

We Strongly Disagree

You have provided much speculation, assumption, and opinion, that's all void of scriptural support

The enormous amount of scripture provided proves otherwise

Jesus will return in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, there won't be a Millennium on this earth, it will be "Dissolved"

You are contradicting your own doctrine. All Amills believe in an Earthly Millennium, all of them including you. You guys think it's happening now and you guys are somehow ruling over the nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are contradicting your own doctrine. All Amills believe in an Earthly Millennium, all of them including you. You guys think it's happening now and you guys are somehow ruling over the nations.

Amills deny a literal "Future" Millennium on this earth at the Lords return

Yes Revelation 20:1-6 is seen in the Lords spiritual realm of no earthly time

Yes satan is currently bound from Deceiving the nations to battle, and will be loosed at the end of the tribulation

Yes Jesus will return in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

 

[Timtofly]

If they were what mystery would there be? What makes more sense, having the marriage supper in heaven and then returning to earth to rule, or yo-yoing up then down the same half hour for no apparent reason?

Church does not come back until 1,000 years later as the New Jerusalem.

This world is still not our home yet. That heavenly city is still above.

 

[Timtofly]

That doesn't make sense. The end is the end.

The end of what?

You want English? Perhaps it is the end of English as well?