When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[1stCenturyLady]

What in your opinion should the pre-trib catching up be called?

A myth. The GT is a time of testing. The "wrath" of God comes later. Also the GT is the time for the rest of the Jews to be unblinded and come into the Church; not their own church, but THE CHURCH. Pre-tribbers somehow are making the same mistake that Paul warned Gentiles about in Romans 11.

Revelation 12 shows the Antichrist (beast) coming after "the rest of her offspring." Who outside the Jews is Israel? I'll give you some hints if you know your Bible. Jesus is the Root, and the natural olive branches are the Jews, and who are the wild olive branches of Israel that are grafted into Israel.

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken,

No I can not.

What I am reassured of is Jesus Christ had the complete victory over Satan and his demons, hell, Sheol, the grave, death, and sin; for all of the human race.

At the end of the day it will be if we have faith and have love for God and others, not our own personal standpoints in how one sees and perceived the Bible, or what needs to adhered for or doesn’t need to be. (As the Bible can be picked up and read by any individual, and May the spirit guide them to see what the truth is).

In love, respect, kindness, patience, and honor, of Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

Thanks. Your statement affirms your belief that the Son of Man has already returned yet you have not seen Him, which is contradictory to His Return.

When the Son of Man left Earth He promised the “unseen” Holy Spirit would come “IN”to Faithful Converted men, Be With such men forever and Be their comfort and peace, Until the Son of Man returned. That has been in effect for 2,000 years and shall continue Until the Son of Man returns, and Every eye shall see Him. I think you are a bit out of Gods Order and Way. Perhaps review step by step.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

Scott I will ask again, are you 7th Day Adventist, curious?

I already answered.

Still looking for an excuse, someone/something to blame, fishing?

 

[ScottA]

They agree is what I'm telling you. Took and taken is not the rapture. That is wrong thinking and contradicts "destroyed."

Left is not being taken and thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed

The problem is, you do not know when the "taking and throwing" occurred. I am sure there were those who had the same reaction to the Lamb "slain before the foundation of the world." Maybe you'll understand in a thousand years.

 

[ScottA]

We disagree, a future generation that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and Lords return

"This Generation" is referring to a ",Future" generation, that will be eyewitnesses of the signs and the Lords return "Future" unfulfilled

1.) What is near, even at the doors, "The Lords Return"

2.) What is the the day and hour no man knows, "The Lords Return"

Matthew 24:33-
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

You keep saying, "We disagree."

Like I told you before--this is not a discuss, not something our opinions matter in one bit. But it does matter how you/we spend our time until the end, because if we were in disagreement...one of us is against the truth--against Christ.

I have not told you my opinion.

 

[Taken]

A myth. The GT is a time of testing. The "wrath" of God comes later. Also it is the time for the rest of the Jews to be unblinded and come into the Church; not their own church, but THE CHURCH. Pre-tribbers somehow are making the same mistake that Paul warned Gentiles about in Romans 11.

Gods Wrath IS ALWAYS AGAINST the unrighteous. Already gave you the Scripture.
Opening of the SEALS SHALL effect the inhabitants of the Earth AGAINST...
The Lamb of God...The Lamb of God’s Wrath IS DURING THE Opening of the Seals....
You can read that for yourself...Rev 6:, particularly Rev 6:16.
* Not particularly news....The majority of Israel (Gods people), widely called the Jews, are Against the Lamb of God....and shall suffer the Wrath of the Lamb.
* Not particularly news....Atheists and other god worshiping men are Against the Lamb of God....and shall suffer the Wrath of the Lamb.

Is there some SECRET Remedy that Earthquakes, buying and selling of goods, famines.....WILL NOT AFFECT YOU, “as you insist YOU shall be ON Earth during the Great Tribulation?” How will that NOT affect You? Why?
Or do you believe the Lambs Wrath, beginning with the Seals, is not A PART of Gods Wrath?
Or something else?

Revelation 12 shows the Antichrist (beast) coming after "the rest of her offspring." Who outside the Jews is Israel? I'll give you some hints if you know your Bible. Jesus is the Root, and the natural olive branches are the Jews, and who are the wild olive branches of Israel that are grafted into Israel.

Rev IS a RECAP of prophecy fulfilled AND prophetic future.
Israel IS the Elect of God. Those CUT OFF ARE CUT OFF. Those LOST are sought out. The Grafting IN applies to Gentiles, which has been occurring for 2,000 years. The Lost Israel, primarily the 10 Tribes scattered, HAVE Been for 50 years returning to ISRAEL, establishing their citizenship AS Israelis citizens, returning to the little strip of Land designated as ISRAEL, a Nation, since 1948.

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.

Already occurred. During the Son of Mans re-evaluation 2,000 years Ago.

14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Future. During the Tribulation. Mt. Zion the 144,000 with the Lamb.

15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Future. Armageddon at end of thousand year reign when Satan is released to make War with Christ’s Kingdom on Earth.

 

[ScottA]

You haven't answered the questions below

Is that seen below "Future", a novel sized response isnt needed

1.) Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

2.) 1 Corinthians 15:51-53KJV
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

3.) Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Yes--I have:

It is not what I believe, but what I know. But again: The words are true, but your premise is off, therefore also your translation. But I will tell it how it truly is:

1. "Future" is an assumption made by those who Christ had not come to "a second time" Hebrews 9:28. Paul does not say "future", but "each in his own order." But he also assures that those whom had not seen Christ come "a second time", did not miss it--again, because it does not work that way, but rather He comes to "each in his own order." Likewise, "literal" is also assumed, the thinking of men ruled by the flesh rather than the Spirit. Men like to think that this world is literal--but it is not, but merely created. God is literal. So, when you ask about the coming of Jesus being "literal"...my answer is Yes--but not in the way you assume--not at all...and "not with observation" Luke 17:20. As for "coming in the clouds of heaven", you again assume the clouds of this world. "Literal" indeed!
2. By "a future "Literal" immortal glorified body"...this is not from God, but the teachings of men who do not know what they are talking about. No, the flesh is not "glorified"--God whom is spirit, is glorified, as was Jesus when He went to the Father. But many confuse Jesus' bodily resurrection from death in His body, with His ascension into heaven. They are two different events, and two different foreshadowings. His bodily resurrection in the flesh was not His ascension to the Father--which He said, "I have not yet ascended to My Father" John 20:17. Which was only to show that He had conquered death, and was not the "like manner" in which He would come again. But rather, His ascension was going to the Father, which flesh and blood "cannot inherit", and therefore must be in spirit, as God is spirit--this is the fullness of the glory of God. Thus, the "like manner" in which He returns, is in the glory of the Father...and "not with observation" as the world sees. But, go ahead, search the scriptures for a "glorified body"--it's not there.
3. Again, your definition of "literal" is as far off as this world is from heaven. So, Yes, but only according to the [actual] literal reality of God. But, No, to what you likely imagine. That worldly definition bound to the worldly elements is not at all accurate, for "the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat" 2 Peter 3:12.

Receive it or not, but I am not going to keep repeating it.

 

[Taken]

The problem is, you do not know when the "taking and throwing" occurred. I am sure there were those who had the same reaction to the Lamb "slain before the foundation of the world." Maybe you'll understand in a thousand years.

She wants to experience the Wrath of the Lamb, which clearly comes down from Heaven and begins with the Seals. We already know, the Converted are NOT subject to Wrath, any Wrath that comes down from Heaven.
So, guess, A Converted person bodily crucified with Christ...is not sufficient FOR “@1stCenturyLady”.....she apparently needs to suffer the Lambs Wrath, and be Bodily Killed....aka, “her” will be done.

 

[ScottA]

The three and a half years was given in weeks, months and tears, There can be only one correct context. People should be honest about not believing Scripture, rather than trying to obfuscate and confuse.

You are explaining away the truth to fit the thinking of men and according to the times of this world, of which the kingdom is not, nor is the truth in the context of God who is spirit and timeless.

I have told you "hard sayings"--just as Jesus did, resulting in Him adding, "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

Would you rather I dumb it down--or that you should sleep for a thousand years more?

 

[ScottA]

She wants to experience the Wrath of the Lamb, which clearly comes down from Heaven and begins with the Seals. We already know, the Converted are NOT subject to Wrath, any Wrath that comes down from Heaven.
So, guess, A Converted person bodily crucified with Christ...is not sufficient FOR “@1stCenturyLady”.....she apparently needs to suffer the Lambs Wrath, and be Bodily Killed....aka, “her” will be done.

 

[Truth7t7]

John 2 and Matthew 24 are two different subjects. Whereas Matthew 24 speaks about the destruction of the temple, John 2 talks about "rearing it up in three days."

We disagree, the pharisees spoke of a "Literal" temple in destruction, and John gave the Lords definition of the temple being talked about, it was the temple of his body

Your apparent belief is as that of the pharisees, it's not a "Literal" temple to be destroyed, it's very simple and clearly before your eyes

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Truth7t7]

I already answered.

Still looking for an excuse, someone/something to blame, fishing?

Yes you now reply after "Several Days" in non response, thanks for your reply

 

[ScottA]

Yes you now reply after "Several Days" in non response, thanks for your reply

Was it just me...or was the website down for 3 days?

 

[Truth7t7]

You keep saying, "We disagree."

Like I told you before--this is not a discuss, not something our opinions matter in one bit. But it does matter how you/we spend our time until the end, because if we were in disagreement...one of us is against the truth--against Christ.

I have not told you my opinion.

You share your opinion and nothing more, and it's my opinion its wrong

 

[dad]

Yes I believe that Jesus has already returned and is already reigning and everything has been restored like the Garden of Eden.

Nuff said

 

[Truth7t7]

Was it just me...or was the website down for 3 days?

Thanks for the info on the website being down, my apology

 

[dad]

You are explaining away the truth to fit the thinking of men and according to the times of this world, of which the kingdom is not, nor is the truth in the context of God who is spirit and timeless.

To open ones eyes and see that both in Daniel and Revelation the days are given and weeks as well as years has nothing to do with explaining away anything.

I have told you "hard sayings"--just as Jesus did, resulting in Him adding, "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

If you understood the sayings He already said we might think you had some chance of also getting deeper.

Would you rather I dumb it down--or that you should sleep for a thousand years more?

You can continue pretending you understand and need to baby feed others if you like.

 

[Truth7t7]

You can continue pretending you understand and need to baby feed others if you like, for all I care.

I agree 100% well said

 

[ScottA]

You share your opinion and nothing more, and it's my opinion its wrong

You have no say, nor do you know the truth.

 

[ScottA]

To open ones eyes and see that both in Daniel and Revelation the days are given and weeks as well as years has nothing to do with explaining away anything.
If you understood the sayings He already said we might think you had some chance of also getting deeper.
You can continue pretending you understand and need to baby feed others if you like, for all I care.

I agree 100% well said

So be it.