When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Ziggy]

They thought Christianity was cult a long before Q was a thing..

1Co 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Be careful where you get your news from.

Hugs

 

[Taken]

Imaginary. It's not biblical. Pure fiction.

I wasn’t addressing a statement you said....but since you commented, exactly what are you calling “pure fiction” ?

The “word” rapture? Or The “event” called the rapture?

 

[ewq1938]

I wasn’t addressing a statement you said....but since you commented, exactly what are you calling “pure fiction” ?

The “word” rapture? Or The “event” called the rapture?

Pre-trib rapture.

 

[Taken]

Pre-trib rapture.

You stated the Lord descends to the clouds......for a pause....then returns to earth.
What is that pause for ?

 

[Ziggy]

The Original:

Q - The Plan to Save the World (1080p60)

judge for yourselves.

We are here.
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[ewq1938]

You stated the Lord descends to the clouds......for a pause....then returns to earth.
What is that pause for ?

To wait for the raptured saints to arrive.

 

[Taken]

To wait for the raptured saints to arrive.

Elaborate. You appear to be saying, the rapture event is “pure fiction”, while also saying it is not “fiction”. What IS your standing?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I cant disagree, my statement was a generalization

The temple being destroyed not one stone upon another was symbolic of the Lords body in his death, burial, resurrection, that took place in the 1st century, other than that "Symbolic" fulfillment, Matthew 24 is 100% future

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus' statement about the temple contained detail that is hard to ignore. The idea that not one stone would be left seems specific enough to require a real, actual fulfillment. No?

 

[Ziggy]

Depends on the interpretation of stone.

Perhaps it was that unholy, unspiritual house that was constructed and ruled by man, that would come crumbling down.

And that which was raised up is:
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Psa 127:1 [[A Song of degrees for Solomon.]] Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

 

[ewq1938]

Elaborate. You appear to be saying, the rapture event is “pure fiction”, while also saying it is not “fiction”. What IS your standing?

Pre-trib rapture is "pure fiction". I made that clear so you need to read my posts better.

 

[Taken]

Pre-trib rapture is "pure fiction". I made that clear so you need to read my posts better.

I read your posts. You are saying “Pre-trib rapture is pure fiction”...then contradict yourself and say “the rapture is the saints arriving up”.

Since you can not explain your contradiction, we can just leave your contradiction to BE your definition of CLEAR.

 

[ewq1938]

I read your posts. You are saying “Pre-trib rapture is pure fiction”...then contradict yourself and say “the rapture is the saints arriving up”.

Since you can not explain your contradiction, we can just leave your contradiction to BE your definition of CLEAR.

There is no contradiction. Do you not understand that some believe in a rapture before the Great Tribulation and some believe it is AFTER the Great Tribulation? And that ALL believe and know the rapture is "the saints rising up"??

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @dad,

Yes I believe that Jesus has already returned and is already reigning and everything has been restored like the Garden of Eden. People make the choice to eat from the tree of life, or the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. God desires for all to come to understanding the victory of the Lord Jesus Christ, over sin, death, the grave, hell, Sheol, Satan and his demons.

You do not have to believe me though,

In love, peace, mercy, kindness, patience, of Christ,

Matthew Gallagher

 

[Taken]

There is no contradiction. Do you not understand that some believe in a rapture before the Great Tribulation and some believe it is AFTER the Great Tribulation? And that ALL believe and know the rapture is "the saints rising up"??

And some confuse the difference between the
Rapture of those already Crucified with Christ, sav-ED, quickened...
AND
Those who Shall believe during the Tribulation, Physically Die for their Belief, And Shall be Saved and Quickened and their body’s risen UP to reign with Christ FOR coming into Belief AND all ENDURING IN BELIEF, to the end of their physical life.

Scripture reveals TO BE SAVED NOW..... Saved for Receiving Conversion.(kept in Belief BY Gods Power IN Them)
Or
SHALL BE SAVED at physical death ... Saved for enduring Belief. (remaining in Belief BY their own power)

Saved NOW or SHALL BE SAVED, are two different things, at two different times, and apply to two different people.

* SAVED NOW ARE NOT SUBJECT to WRATH of Gods Great Tribulation.
* SHALL BE SAVED ARE Subject to Wrath of Gods Great Tribulation...until the day they are killed. <—- and hopefully THEY will experience Physical Death during the first portion when ¼ of the World population is Killed during the Seals opening.

Surely you must know the Difference Between....Believing and Conversion!
Surely you must know Many Believe....Long before they are prepared to MAKE a True life long Commitment and Confess their Belief to the Lord God.

 

[Taken]

Yes I believe that Jesus has already returned and is already reigning and everything has been restored like the Garden of Eden.

Matthew Gallagher

Really? Can you clue us in on What Jesus LOOKS LIKE? Since all Shall SEE HIM....and I know of no one who has SEEN Him.

 

[Ziggy]

the rapture is "the saints rising up"

Oh yes they are!
And ISN'T IT GLORIOUS ??!!!!


Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Taken,

No I can not.

What I am reassured of is Jesus Christ had the complete victory over Satan and his demons, hell, Sheol, the grave, death, and sin; for all of the human race.

At the end of the day it will be if we have faith and have love for God and others, not our own personal standpoints in how one sees and perceived the Bible, or what needs to adhered for or doesn’t need to be. (As the Bible can be picked up and read by any individual, and May the spirit guide them to see what the truth is).

In love, respect, kindness, patience, and honor, of Christ,
Matthew Gallagher

 

[Truth7t7]

Have you been watching the Trucker Convoy in Ottowa, Canada?

So many people coming together. Sharing food and clothing and blankets with the homeless.
So much love in the air.
And then there are these other people that are really thrashing out that they are there.
They don't see the love, they see terrorists. lol
What are they afraid of?

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Even so, Amen.

Hugs

I stand with the freedom convoy 100%, then it moves to the Literal return of Jesus in the clouds of heaven, turning into a cloud of witness in using a verse in suggestion

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus' statement about the temple contained detail that is hard to ignore. The idea that not one stone would be left seems specific enough to require a real, actual fulfillment. No?

I disagree, John 2 is self explanatory, the literal temple talked about was seen in the Lords body, it's that simple

The 70AD destruction of the temple, played no part in fulfillment whatsoever

The temple being destroyed not one stone upon another was symbolic of the Lords body in his death, burial, resurrection, that took place in the 1st century, other than that "Symbolic" fulfillment, Matthew 24 is 100% future

"He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body"

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I disagree, John 2 is self explanatory, the literal temple talked about was seen in the Lords body, it's that simple

The 70AD destruction of the temple, played no part in fulfillment whatsoever

The temple being destroyed not one stone upon another was symbolic of the Lords body in his death, burial, resurrection, that took place in the 1st century, other than that "Symbolic" fulfillment, Matthew 24 is 100% future

"He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body"

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 2 and Matthew 24 are two different subjects. Whereas Matthew 24 speaks about the destruction of the temple, John 2 talks about "rearing it up in three days."