1stCenturyLady
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When God wrote His laws on our hearts. We know what to do, and we also know the meaning of His Word by His Spirit. The natural man cannot understand the Spirit of the Sabbath, only the letter of the old law.
The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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When God wrote His laws on our hearts. We know what to do, and we also know the meaning of His Word by His Spirit. The natural man cannot understand the Spirit of the Sabbath, only the letter of the old law.
quietthinker
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I suppose one can rationalise anything, however in the process a hardening occurs imperceptibly.
The Commandments written by Gods finger stand my dear irrespective of man's flexibility.
Let's see:
Jesus said "If you love Me, keep My Commandments."
John 14:15
Which Commandments were Jesus' Commandments? He couldn't have a set separate from what His Father had commanded.
Jesus said He can only be about His Father's business.
Luke 2:49
Jesus said He obeyed all His Father's Commandments - the 10 Commandments.
John 15:10
"Ye are My friends if ye do whatsoever I command you."
John 15:14
John 1:1 tells us Jesus was present with the Father at Creation, and that He was/is God. Therefore, He was present at Mt. Sinai and we know nothing was ever created that Jesus Himself didn't create. John 1:3
Therefore the 10 Commandments, written in Stone by the very finger of God, were written/created by Jesus Christ.
His Commands are His Father's Commands. His own keeping of the Sabbath, as well as His disciples' keeping of it after His death on the Cross, tells us that His Commandments were all the 10 Commandments. Luke 23:56
He displayed Himself keeping them, (Luke 4:16) and commented upon almost all of the 10 in the Gospels. Those He didn't comment upon, He kept for all to see.
Try as all of you may, you just can't bury the Truth that's indelibly inscribed into the Word of God. It's all there for anybody with a pure heart for Truth to find.
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1stCenturyLady
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I'm sure you keep the letter of keeping that one day holy. But I hope you have also been born again of the Spirit which means your old carnal nature has been taken out of you. Personally I actually felt it lift out of my body. It was a heaviness, but after it left, I felt like I could float. Now I can rest in Christ who has given me His divine nature, and I know in my heart what to do, and keep myself righteous. It is daily, and moment by moment, no longer one day a week.
1stCenturyLady
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If you keep the teachings of Jesus, you will be fine. 1 John 3:23-24. However, you must be born again to keep them. That means you must be filled with the Holy Spirit of God so you can abide in Him, as He abides in you.
1stCenturyLady
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Yes, Jesus kept the Old Covenant commandments, because He loved His Father, and lived under them. And now what Jesus has preached to us is what we need to obey to be His followers, in the same zeal as Jesus kept His Father's, because we love Jesus. His commandments are boiled down to this 1 John 3:23-24. They are the New Covenant. Keep both of these and you establish the whole law.
quietthinker
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Who can dispute a personal experience? Whatever experiences we have and however we interpret them they do not override or nullify what God has plainly stated.
I know a little about unusual subjective experiences 1CL and the temptation is to give them all sorts of spin, however I daren't interpret them to void God's Commandments. Doing so (which is not uncommon) is allowing oneself to be led by a power other than God's.
1stCenturyLady
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Just the opposite. The Old Covenant was all about commandments that we had to keep with our own willpower. But the sin nature is too strong, making the Law inept to make us righteous. That is why Jesus came.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
So instead of us having a sinful flesh to battle, Jesus took it away, and gave us a divine nature like His. His nature is not burdened down with darkness that weighs a ton!
Romans 6:6-7
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
According to the Scriptures, There Are TWO Different programs
with Different "sets Of Commandments." Which are "FOR us"?:
A) Jesus' commandments to the Twelve, and the nation of Israel,
given to them, on the earth, under the gospel of the kingdom!:
1) SELL EVERYTHING AND follow HIM"? The twelve and ALL believers
at Pentecost obeyed! (Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-37) Is this FOR us, today?
Consequences of Disobedience To CHRIST's Commandment!
(Acts 5:1-11) We should ALL [who HAVE NOT obeyed] "be DEAD," Correct?
2) "...to OBSERVE ALL That I (CHRIST!) Have COMMANDED you..."
[in what MANY think is THEIR "great commission"] (Mat_28:19-20)? ie:
"Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes
and the Pharisees sit in Moses' [Law] seat: ALL therefore whatsoever they
bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for
they say, and do not." (Mat_23:1-3) Is this for us, today??
Thousands of Jewish BELIEVERS, who LOVED Christ AND Obeyed HIM
had NO "Such ANTI-Obedience" problem that MANY have today!:
"And when they heard it, they glorified The LORD, and said unto him,
Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which
believe; and they are ALL zealous of The [Moses'] Law:" (Acts_21:20)
Question:
So, WHY do Critics accuse others of being "anti acts_2:38," when
THEY themSELVES are ANTI-OBEYING ALL the rest That Christ
Commanded, Under The LAW, besides water?
God's Answer to ALL this Confusion?:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
B)
CHRIST's ONE Simple Commandment, From HEAVEN, TO Paul,
FOR us, TODAY, Under God's Gospel Of PURE GRACE!:
1)
Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE your neighbor
as yourself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)
Ok, my mistake, TWO simple commandments:
2)
Isn't it true that God Commanded us to "study" to resolve ALL the
above CONFUSION, "to be Approved Unto HIM" (2 Timothy 2:15)?:
More helpful/Confirming "studies" [IF you wish...]:
God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery
"Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY
GRACE and Peace! Amen?
quietthinker
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The Sprit has been around since creation 1CL. It has been speaking to peoples hearts just as Ezekiel said 'the still small voice'
In these last days Spiritualism is joining hands with the Christian Message and peddling a Spirit, one of deception. It is prevalent in many Churches.
The scriptures are given a spin which contradicts even it's most basic tenants
Experience eclipses God's plain words and names it as being from Jesus.
Did you know there are demons with the name of Jesus?
Everything you stated in this post is true. But it's your claim about what it all means that is out of alignment.
What is the significance of Jesus Christ's Spirit?
It lived a physical life of perfection, without a single sin from physical birth to physical death. When Jesus died upon the Cross, His Spirit of sinless perfection was sealed forevermore. "It is finished!!"
Now, He could send His perfected Spirit into any and all believers for the purpose of enabling/empowering them to overcome sin. What is sin? It is the breaking of the Commandments, the Law. 1 John 3:4
Step 1: You must first truly believe that Jesus lived, and died for our sins.
Step 2: You are gifted with His Holy Spirit, perfected by a lifetime of obedience to God's Laws, that has overcome all sin in the world.
Step 3: You must put away all sin and live a life devoted to God with the power of the Holy Spirit as your guide, your comforter and your enabler to obey and keep the Commandments.
The Commandments of God were never done away with and never will be. They are the very basis for the definition of sin and they are what sets God's Children apart from all else.
Jesus obeyed all the Commandments of His Father and commanded those who loved Him to do the same.
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Brakelite
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So Spirit led Christians are exempt from God's commandments because they intuitively know what to do? Unless of course they don't want to do right?
For all the naysayers, Fact #7 at 12:50 is for you.
10 FACTS you need to know about the 10 Commandments
10 FACTS you need to know about the 10 Commandments
Jim B
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EXACTLY! Christians are exempt from God's commandments because they intuitively know what to do. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth, not a set of written rules.
What does your Bible say about observing the speed limit or how much TV is acceptable to watch?
1stCenturyLady
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I agree that there are are doctrines of demons out there VERY prevalent in all the denominations. It has to do with the issue of sin. SDAs are not involved in these doctrines of demons that I have seen. Answer this question: What did Jesus accomplish on the cross regarding Christians who follow Him and the issue of sin?
1stCenturyLady
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That is because Jesus was conceived with the seed of the Father, so He lived his whole life free from sinful desires.
1 John 3:9
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
That is what Jesus meant by you must be born again.
Not to overcome sin, but to have no sin. You only quoted 1 John 3:4; now read it in the context of the next verse. You are so focused on sin, you fail to recognize your Savior.
No, that is not what John 15:10 says. We are to keep the commandments of JESUS, like Jesus kept perfectly the commandments of His own Father. We are to follow Jesus and His New Covenant, like Jesus kept the commandments of the Old Covenant that He lived His life under until "It is finished." What what finished?
Jesus had two categories of commandments that the Father didn't teach the Jews. 1 John 3:23-24.
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He (Jesus) gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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1stCenturyLady
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The divine nature of God cannot desire to do wrong. That is why Jesus never sinned, and those born again of the seed of the Father cannot either.
Jim B
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The OP says that the 10 commandments are forever. That is true, but only for those who are under the old Mosaic covenant. I and every other Christian are not under the OT law; we're under God's grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Do you really need a "rule book" to tell you not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, etc?
Do you really need a "rule book" to tell you not to steal, not to kill, not to commit adultery, etc?
BrotherDThomas
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@GEN2REV,
YOUR QUOTE FROM POST #1254 THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY QUESTIONS IN MY POST #1250 TO YOU, BUT TO ONLY RUN AWAY FROM THEM: "Which do you think there will be more of in Heaven, those who made a sincere effort - from the heart - with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit ...
...or those who ... didn't ... even ... try? Which of those involves enduring faith, ... and which casts it by the way side?
I'll respectfully ask you once again, in Numbers 15:32-36 relative to Exodus 35:2, our Jesus ordered Moses and the people present, to murder the man that defamed the Sabbath day by "picking up sticks," therefore, are you willing to do the same in following this commandment by Jesus the Christ towards people today that does the same infraction? And if you don't, then you do not love Jesus. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
Subjectively speaking, I as a True Christian, can't murder anyone that Jesus says to do, because of that person not respecting the Sabbath. This I will have to account for upon Judgment Day. How about you?
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@GEN2REV,
YOUR QUOTE FROM POST #1254 THAT HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY QUESTIONS IN MY POST #1250 TO YOU, BUT TO ONLY RUN AWAY FROM THEM: "Which do you think there will be more of in Heaven, those who made a sincere effort - from the heart - with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit ...
...or those who ... didn't ... even ... try? Which of those involves enduring faith, ... and which casts it by the way side?
I'll respectfully ask you once again, in Numbers 15:32-36 relative to Exodus 35:2, our Jesus ordered Moses and the people present, to murder the man that defamed the Sabbath day by "picking up sticks," therefore, are you willing to do the same in following this commandment by Jesus the Christ towards people today that does the same infraction? And if you don't, then you do not love Jesus. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
Subjectively speaking, I as a True Christian, can't murder anyone that Jesus says to do, because of that person not respecting the Sabbath. This I will have to account for upon Judgment Day. How about you?
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