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Jesus came to give His life as a ransom for many because God's chosen people could not keep the law to save themselves and so it is His turn now.
No. He came to live as an example of how to live perfectly, obeying every single one of the 10 Commandments, that is how He fulfilled them; and to be the final and perfect sacrifice for sin. That all who believed in Him and His life and His sacrifice would be forgiven of all their previous sins and be allowed to now receive His Spirit which assists in following His Ways to obey all Commandments and receive salvation at the end of their physical lives.
See the paradox here? Unless our righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven,
No paradox at all. The Scribes and Pharisees were not righteous in the least.
So it is not about keeping His commandments in how we enter in but by the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus Christ apart from the law is how we enter in that surpasses the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees.
Keeping the Commandments is what people do naturally who love Jesus. Just as Jesus tells us.
John 14:15
John 15:14
 

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Paul was a regular "keeper of the Sabbath" while he was a persecutor of Christians. After he was converted, he was a regular keeper of the Lord's Day -- THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. But as an apostle and missionary, he used the Sabbath days in the various synagogues throughout the Roman empire to preach Christ. But his goal was not "keeping the Sabbath" but converting the unbelieving Jews. You go fishing were the fish congregate. But you do not become a fish.

@GEN2REV & @Jim B & @mailmandan & @BrotherDThomas @Behold

I agree.

As to Jesus of Nazareth, not only was He under the Law, but He kept the Law perfectly and went to the synagogues on Sabbath days. Yet He also healed on Sabbath days to show the Jewish religious leaders that they were not doing good works on Sabbath days -- as God expected. And they hated Him for exposing their hypocrisy. So when Sabbatarians ignore the Lord's Day, they too are being hypocritical. The 7th day Sabbath was given to Israel, not to Gentile Christians who are wannabe Israelites.

His disciples did not keep the sabbath day perfectly but Jesus defended them from the Jews that were seeking to condemn His disciples for profaning the sabbath in Matthew 12:1-8 by pointing out two incidents in scripture where saints had profaned the sabbath but were guiltless because they were in the Temple. Then Jesus moved to defend His disciples by saying One greater than the Temple was here, meaning He was with His disciples for why they are guiltless. And that is why Him being in us and withy us always is why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath because we are saved whereas the Jews were keeping the ten commandments to be saved under the Old Covenant.

WAS THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH GIVEN TO ISRAEL? ABSOLUTELY
12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

So what is the sign for the Christians under the New Covenant?

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

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Paul was a regular "keeper of the Sabbath" while he was a persecutor of Christians. After he was converted, he was a regular keeper of the Lord's Day -- THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. But as an apostle and missionary, he used the Sabbath days in the various synagogues throughout the Roman empire to preach Christ. But his goal was not "keeping the Sabbath" but converting the unbelieving Jews. You go fishing were the fish congregate. But you do not become a fish.
Couldn't be more wrong. If that were the case, Acts 13:42 & 44 wouldn't read as they do because Paul and Barnabas would've simply preached what the gentiles requested the very next day, the 1st day of the week. They neither did that nor did it the following week.

Wrong.
As to Jesus of Nazareth, not only was He under the Law, but He kept the Law perfectly and went to the synagogues on Sabbath days. Yet He also healed on Sabbath days to show the Jewish religious leaders that they were not doing good works on Sabbath days -- as God expected. And they hated Him for exposing their hypocrisy. So when Sabbatarians ignore the Lord's Day, they too are being hypocritical. The 7th day Sabbath was given to Israel, not to Gentile Christians who are wannabe Israelites.
Wrong.

As proven in the OP, and also in post #1050, Israel is a spiritual race. They are God's children and God is a spirit. John 4:24 Thus, they are a spiritual children.

Deuteronomy 29:14-15 proves that they were written/given to all mankind forever to come and Deuteronomy 29:29 proves they were expected by God to be obeyed forever.

WAS THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH GIVEN TO ISRAEL? ABSOLUTELY
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The day of Christ's resurrection -- the first day of the week -- THE LORD'S DAY.
The Lord's Day is the Sabbath day.

Here is the only verse in scripture that uses that phrase.
Revelation 1:10

And here is the only verse that defines it.
Isaiah 58:13
 

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No. He came to live as an example of how to live perfectly, obeying every single one of the 10 Commandments, that is how He fulfilled them; and to be the final and perfect sacrifice for sin. That all who believed in Him and His life and His sacrifice would be forgiven of all their previous sins and be allowed to now receive His Spirit which assists in following His Ways to obey all Commandments and receive salvation at the end of their physical lives.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is in you means you are saved, brother, for believing in the Lord Jesus Christ 7 that God has raised Him from the dead.

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o paradox at all. The Scribes and Pharisees were not righteous in the least.
Keeping the Commandments is what people do naturally who love Jesus. Just as Jesus tells us.
John 14:15

In context. if you apply that for all His commandments, then you would never get the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So then this is being important, what are the commadments Jesus was speaking about before verse 15?

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So the commandments as in plural is the repeated commandment to believe Him over and over again to get the Holy Ghost at our salvation.

John 15:14

That is for discipleship in bearing fruit and that our joy may be full so that we may continue in His love when, with His help, we are abiding in Him & His words so that we do not get cut off ( verse 6 ) for when we stop abiding in Him & His words as His disciples. John 15:1-8

If believers are running that race to obtain salvation then they are engaging in dead works that deny Him as their Savior ( Titus 1:16 ) for why they will be denied by Him as disqualified, but even though left behind, He still abides ( 2 Timothy 2:12-13 ) for why when they die, their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ) awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels of wood and earth, the vessels unto dishonor in His House to serve the King of kings on earth for the 1000 year reign of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:18-21
 

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The day of Christ's resurrection -- the first day of the week -- THE LORD'S DAY.

I understand that in order to defer from the sign of God's chosen people under the Old Covenant but that is not really supported by scripture.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

I believe this defers us from the Old Covenant; our faith in Jesus Christ. We are known as the children of God by faith in Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

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Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is in you means you are saved, brother, for believing in the Lord Jesus Christ 7 that God has raised Him from the dead.

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In context. if you apply that for all His commandments, then you would never get the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So then this is being important, what are the commadments Jesus was speaking about before verse 15?

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So the commandments as in plural is the repeated commandment to believe Him over and over again to get the Holy Ghost at our salvation.



That is for discipleship in bearing fruit and that our joy may be full so that we may continue in His love when, with His help, we are abiding in Him & His words so that we do not get cut off ( verse 6 ) for when we stop abiding in Him & His words as His disciples. John 15:1-8

If believers are running that race to obtain salvation then they are engaging in dead works that deny Him as their Savior ( Titus 1:16 ) for why they will be denied by Him as disqualified, but even though left behind, He still abides ( 2 Timothy 2:12-13 ) for why when they die, their spirits will be with the Lord in heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ) awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels of wood and earth, the vessels unto dishonor in His House to serve the King of kings on earth for the 1000 year reign of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:18-21
It doesn't follow any logic at all that Christ would obey all His Father's 10 Commandments if it was not the example He wished to make.

For Him to live a life completely contrary to what He expected His disciples, and all His followers to come, to live would make zero sense whatsoever. Yet we have this:
John 15:10

That's a hard one to overcome for those who desperately want to teach people to disobey God's Commandments.
 

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It doesn't follow any logic at all that Christ would obey all His Father's 10 Commandments if it was not the example He wished to make.

For Him to live a life completely contrary to what He expected His disciples, and all His followers to come, to live would make zero sense whatsoever. Yet we have this:
John 15:10

That's a hard one to overcome for those who desperately want to teach people to disobey God's Commandments.

It is not so hard when defending the faith & hope we have in Jesus Christ by His grace & by His help.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I do not see the good fight is about keeping the sabbath day, brother. So trust Jesus Christ that you want Him to make sure you are in the right.
 

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I understand that in order to defer from the sign of God's chosen people under the Old Covenant but that is not really supported by scripture.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

I believe this defers us from the Old Covenant; our faith in Jesus Christ. We are known as the children of God by faith in Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And if you ARE the children of God by faith in Jesus, then you are spiritual Israel. God's firstborn. Exodus 4:22

And you are expected to obey the 10 Commandments, even unto the End Times. Deuteronomy 4:30-31 KJV
 

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It is not so hard when defending the faith & hope we have in Jesus Christ by His grace & by His help.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I do not see the good fight is about keeping the sabbath day, brother. So trust Jesus Christ that you want Him to make sure you are in the right.
Your gang aint doin the bang-up job you think you are and this thread is not about the Sabbath.
 

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From your arguments you might as well be SDA. Both you and SDA’s teach “salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.”
I teach exactly what scripture teaches to a 'T'. I use all scripture to build and support my case and let God's Word do all the talking.
 

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And if you ARE the children of God by faith in Jesus, then you are spiritual Israel. God's firstborn. Exodus 4:22

Yet you deny we are saved. and thereby deny Him as your Savior. Where is the Good News of Jesus Christ? Where is the joy of your salvation?

And you are expected to obey the 10 Commandments, even unto the End Times. Deuteronomy 4:30 KJV

No. He wants me to trust Him to help me follow Him. That is obeying the gospel that God is going to do this. He started His work and we are to have confidence in Him to finish it to His glory. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith.

His commandments exceeds and surpasses the Old Covenant commandments for why the Old Covenant waxes and vanishes away because they are no longer necessary for obtaining salvation for we are saved. Now we look to him to help us follow Him because His commandments are higher than the works of the law that the Jews could not do at all and so we can't by the religious flesh either in doing the best we can, but He can help us to follow Him for why all our hopes are on Him and not on us.
 
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