The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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Grailhunter
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All that is left is figuring out, what are those ten items in chapter 20, because God did not call them the Ten Commandments. They are not the words that God used to form a covenant between Himself and Israel.
Why was it important to speak them from Mt Sinai?
What are their significance?
Are they still relevant?
BarneyFife
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I have already explained that the Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath, and I observe that as did the apostles and the apostolic churches. You will not find a single verse in the NT indicating that Christians were observing the 7th day Sabbath.
Behold
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Right now we are observing Shabbat in Israel.
If you get in your car and go to the Old City in Jerusalem, you will be assaulted by hyper religious jews who are dressed in black and think they are going to heaven.
They worship the LAW, and they are rejected by God, because they have not submitted to God's righteousness, that is the blood of Jesus.
How about that.
But back in the OT....before the Cross was raised, and the Law of MOSES was in effect, you had to do it.
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Oceanprayers
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I believe the shoehorn analogy arrives when someone thinks to omit the feminine factor from the source of both male and female in the created and creation.
In God's image were created male and female.
Omit the masculine pronoun
from a text written by men ascribed to a patriarchal social paradigm and there should be no issue.
Oceanprayers
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Then why call oneself a sabbath day keeper if one isn't really? Isn't that also a false witness?
Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
How do you apply the message in the scripture above to mean and yet still say we have to keep the sabbath day as if Jesus will not overlook it?
I believe you are misreading them for why His disciples nor Paul is giving any instructions to the Gentile churches in any of their epistles.
As bad as it is today that the majority of the churches are not keeping the sabbath, yet not one was chastened in the Book of Revelation for breaking the sabbath and not one was exhorted for keeping the sabbath either. Did God blinked or is the emphasis on keeping the sabbath is no longer necessary because Jesus Christ is in us & with us always for why we are guiltless for we are saved since having believed in Jesus Christ.
Jesus had risen the bar higher for Paul warned believers about how we speak as in most cases, taking the Lord's name in vain is done in anger.
Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Any believer that teaches that Sunday is the new sabbath is wrong. The sabbath remains as Saturday but we are guiltless for profaning it because we are saved. That is why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath because Jesus Christ & His righteousness in us trumps the sabbath for why we are saved.
Don't have time to look back at our entire exchange, but I probably meant to post Revelation 17:8. It's the other part of the Book of Life refutation of OSAS.
"... they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world,... "
Revelation 17:8
Their names were never there... so it is not Biblically accurate to claim that ALL of mankind is written in it.
BarneyFife
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You'll have to scratch the 7th day bit off of your lovely tablets. You haven't explained anything, you've simply rationalized it. There's a difference.
GEN2REV said:
Yep, it's ok.
The very next verse, which you are purposely omitting and ignoring in your false assessment, states:
"These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons."
Leviticus 23:4
Is the 7th day of every single week a season? Not hardly. It goes on...
"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover(a very specific FEAST). And of the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord (a very specific feast at a very specific time of year, in a specific season) seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. "
Leviticus 23:5-6
And so on. THOSE are the beginning of the list of FEASTS.
The Sabbath is NOT a feast.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Jesus still referenced John the Baptist's and the Father's witnesses for why His sole witness of Himself is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. 35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
So no scripture twisting here.
Now this is what Jesus said about man testifying of himself in seeking his own glory again;
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
This is what John the Baptist did when Jesus had come;
John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
So why are Christians seeking to be identified by the works of the law, rather than serve Him for what He has done in having saved us for believing in Him? We are not to be known as disciples of Sabbath Keeping in seeking their own glory but the disciples of Jesus Christ in seeking His glory.
BarneyFife
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To deny the status of the Sabbath as a moral imperative you have to rationalize. It's really that simple: RATIONALIZATION, and that's all you're going to see here.
"We know what the Bible says, and we're not going to do it!"
With respect, you won't find anything that says they didn't, either. Which is probably more relevant since it was assumed prior to the NT.
Christ surely didn't stand "for to read" in the synagogue on the Sabbath day, which was His regular custom, on the 1st day of the week to celebrate the day of His yet-to-come resurrection. It was most assuredly the 7th day Sabbath, commemorating the day that He hallowed and sanctified at Creation week.
Luke 4:16
He died on a Friday and His disciples observed the very next day Sabbath.
Luke 23:56
John 19:31
ETA: And there are actually many more verses in the NT that show Christians observing the 7th Day Sabbath. Happy to supply if needed.
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@GEN2REV
I recognize what Christ has done in having saved me by believing in Him & as Lord of the sabbath is why I am guiltless for profaning the sabbath.
For Sabbath Day Keepers to repent for denying how He is able to make us stand regardless of keeping the sabbath, they need to stop identifying themselves as Sabbath Day Keepers and quit saying they are observing the sabbath " as if like the Jews when they are not " and just say we honor the Lord on that day.
Otherwise, they better repent by worshipping the Lord on Sunday so other sabbath day keepers that are doing it for salvation & the Jews can see your faith in Jesus Christ that you are saved for simply coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.
BarneyFife
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Come on, Baby---Let's do the twist!
Come on, Bay-ee-bay---Let's do the twist!
When have I once spoken of my own glory? All I have done is testify to what the Bible says.
LOLCassandra is Seventh Day Adventist, and a very nice person like yourself. :cool:
She posts great pictures of ferrets, so I take her doctrines in stride. It's what you'd call a trade off.
I was expecting a pix of a ferret...
but OK, I see what you mean!
Being a Sabbath Day Keeper
By exalting yourself over other believers for being a Sabbath Day Keeper when you are really not? You had said you do not keep it perfectly.
Believers shall know other Christians by our faith in Jesus Christ; not for keeping the sabbath. Jews do that.
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