Sabbath Issues

[GEN2REV]

The discussion I was watching was about jackals and dragons.
Which scriptures should dragons be in and which ones are jackals?
And then we have Leviathan.

What are they trying to describe?
And why were they trying to slip in the word dragon in there? Mainly the KJV.

What is a dragon in the Old Testament?
What is a Leviathan in the Old Testament?
Keep in mind the word or understanding of dinosaur did not exist in the biblical era.
How much of it is about living animals and how much of it about connecting something to Satan and how much of it is symbiology?

Yeah, you're having some trouble with the whole thing. I get it.

I just wish I could help you find your grail. Least you could scratch that one off your list.

The Sabbath was first mentioned in Exodus 18 when the Israelites were still in the wilderness, before they ever even arrived at Mt. Sinai. God wanted to test them to see if they would keep His Sabbath Commandment and not gather manna on the Sabbath. 6 days they could gather and on the 7th, they were to rest. It's clear that the Sabbath Commandment had been given by God long before the 10 Commandments on stone tablets.

That's how we know for certain that they weren't given only to the Jews/Israelites. They were clearly given to all who would be called to God and to follow Jesus' example. It's a very sacred day and all who observe it are blessed immensely.

The Sabbath is for ALL Christians.

(Abraham Lincoln was neither Jewish nor SDA.)

 

[GEN2REV]

Nope Jackal for Job 30:29
You should be very concerned about what you believe....because if you say it.....it is usually wrong.

Nope Dragon.
Strong's Concordance
Job 30:29
to jackals,
לְתַנִּ֑ים (lə·ṯan·nîm)
Preposition-l | Noun - common plural
Strong's Hebrew 8577: 1) dragon, serpent, sea monster 1a) dragon or dinosaur 1b) sea or river monster 1c) serpent, venomous snake

It's dragon for every verse I posted in #183.

The Sabbath is possibly the most important commitment a Christian can make to the Lord. It is a day that was so special and important to God Almighty that He blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it, that is - set it apart as very special among all the other days of the week. When we align ourselves with that day, we are aligning ourselves with an actual time period that is blessed. It's almost like a separate dimension that God has made holy for those who choose to worship and honor Him from sundown to sundown on that day.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's clear that the Sabbath Commandment had been given by God long before the 10 Commandments on stone tablets.

Ya the Sabbath Commandment was given a long time ago.....no surprise.
And again you do not even know what the Ten Commandments are.

That's how we know for certain that they weren't given only to the Jews/Israelites.

No and the Bible will tell you that He gave them to the Israelites.
And the New Testament scriptures will tell you that the Old Commandments are not for Christians to observe. Not under the Laws.
Yes the most basic rudimentary morals are reiterated in New Testament....Very few. Christ and the Apostles taught a vastly higher set of morals. That is why Christ was compelled to correct some the Mosaic Laws.
But the storyline of Acts, if you read it, will show you that one of Paul's challenges was go up against people like you. People like you were the enemy of Paul....People like you persecuted the Christians....People like you murdered Stephen.
Judaizers that were trying to force the Law and Jewish customs on Christians. And again you can read about the first Christian Council in Jerusalem that ruled the few things that James thought Christians should observe.

The Jehovah's Witnesses....what a sad joke....fixated on the Old Testament and they don't even know the name of God the Father and just like the Jews they do not believe that Yeshua is a God. And Just like the Jews they do not believe in Hell. If you are going to deny Christ, why not just be a Jew?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Did I say extra-curricular? Honest mistake. I meant extra-biblical. Think I did that in another thread as well. Not sure it called for that level of venom, though, hot head.

Extra-curricular was a very ugly thing to say to you. I am ashamed and full of regret. Please accept my apologies.

For this debate, <extra-biblical> is much worse than <extra-curricular>. Don't worry I do not care about apologies or excuses.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Deuteronomy 5:15....
"Remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and that Jehovah your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. That is why Jehovah your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."

Yahweh Almighty God commanded Israel to observe HIS, Sabbath Day-- not theirs.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That the Sabbath was not enjoined upon any of God’s people until after the Exodus is evident from the testimony of Deuteronomy 5:2, 3 and Exodus 31:16, 17:

Sure, who disputed?
Now note YOUR, OWN, SUNDAY-worshipping 'argument'! It maintains that no Commandment in the New Testament commands the People of God to keep the Sabbath. OK. Then why in the beginning would a Command or Commandment from God have been necessary for the People of God to keep the Sabbath? Would not God's creation-gift of the Seventh Day be incentive enough, especially SINCE GOD USED IT UNTO MAN'S GOOD and salvation through Jesus Christ ultimately?

What makes it necessary for you to believe in Jesus? Is the gift from God, our Lord Jesus Christ, not enough or good enough to believe in Him and love Him with all our heart? If Jesus Himself is no reason for us to believe in Him no Commandment will ever be.
But mark, Genesis 3:24 assures us just what Hebrews 3 and 4 teach us, THAT HARDNESS OF HEART MADE THAT MAN REJECTED GOD, like HARDNESS OF HEART prevented patriarchs and Israelites ever with gracious heart to receive "God's Resting of His Sabbath Day's rest" in their own lives -- fully or scarcely or if at all. The Bible does not mention any!

"THEREFORE", in Hebrews 4 it says "REMEMBERING still Remains for GOD'S People to really believe the Day of GOD'S Resting His Sabbath Day". On the New Earth only, God's People will for the first time truly "keep Sabbath" : "every Sabbath month after month forevermore".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath is possibly the most important commitment a Christian can make to the Lord. It is a day that was so special and important to God Almighty that He blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it, that is - set it apart as very special among all the other days of the week. When we align ourselves with that day, we are aligning ourselves with an actual time period that is blessed. It's almost like a separate dimension that God has made holy for those who choose to worship and honor Him from sundown to sundown on that day.

The Sabbath is certainly no <commitment a Christian can make to the Lord>. All history proves man's commitments, fallacy -- Sabbath-commitments worse than any.

Just so certainly the Sabbath of the Lord God is a day that was so special and important to God Almighty that He made, blessed, hallowed and RESTED the Seventh Day the Sabbath OF THE Lord God - set it apart FROM all other days including the other days of the week - BECAUSE HE HAD A SPECIAL REASON : "HAVING FINISHED ALL THE WORKS OF GOD ON" it. And just here, flop! fall their brains flat!
You Sabbatarians! No you shout! God did not FINISH ALL HIS WORKS, He didn't do ANY work, He rested; God did NOTHING on the Sabbath -- He KEPT it!!
But I challenge you, HOW did God -- how COULD God if He not through, and "FOR MAN" The Man of Galilee, blessed, or hallowed, or rested, or finished the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!? And how DID God and how COULD God WORK these things through and for Jesus Christ, DID HE NOT DO IT, WORK IT, by having raised Him from the dead on the Sabbath!?
Julle steeks donkies! How blind are you! How poor and miserable and dejected yet all you get from the Sabbath truth is how BAD you 'keep' it.

But today's tragic state of affairs concerning the Sabbath the Lord's Day of Rest and Reviving from the dead (Exodus 31:17), for TWO CENTURIES now, is to be blamed on one single state of affairs and that is, the Adventists' state-capture -- THEFT -- and monopolisation of GOD'S Holy Day as were it THEIRS and theirs only and exclusively being indissolubly BOUND fast to all their HERESIES and haughtiness.

When the Sabbath of the Lord God Jesus Lord and Saviour, got <aligned with> the works of man - got drawn in with this dictatorial CHURCH - it got final and fatal for Freedom and Truth. The Sabbath IS BECOME FREE-WILL RELIGION: <It's like a separate dimension that God has made holy for those who choose to worship and honor Him from sundown to sundown on that day.> -- ABSOLUTELY typical SDA!
No, all hope is lost for the Sabbath as long as it remains the Sabbatarians' Sabbath.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Christ was compelled to correct some the Mosaic Laws.

So Christ was compelled to correct Himself.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No and the Bible will tell you that He gave them to the Israelites.

No man, that's no answer. That's liking your own voice.

 

[Grailhunter]

So Christ was compelled to correct Himself.

Hello there Gerard...How are things in South Africa?
What was He correcting? That would be a good discussion.
Probably deeper than this thread.
Take a stab at it and tell me what He was correcting.

 

[Grailhunter]

No man, that's no answer. That's liking your own voice.

That does not make any sense.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And the New Testament scriptures will tell you that the Old Commandments are not for Christians to observe. Not under the Laws.

And I will tell you that you have never read either the New or the Old Testament or you read them comprehending sultsch.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Ya the Sabbath Commandment was given a long time ago.....no surprise.
And again you do not even know what the Ten Commandments are.

No and the Bible will tell you that He gave them to the Israelites.
And the New Testament scriptures will tell you that the Old Commandments are not for Christians to observe. Not under the Laws.
Yes the most basic rudimentary morals are reiterated in New Testament....Very few. Christ and the Apostles taught a vastly higher set of morals. That is why Christ was compelled to correct some the Mosaic Laws.
But the storyline of Acts, if you read it, will show you that one of Paul's challenges was go up against people like you. People like you were the enemy of Paul....People like you persecuted the Christians....People like you murdered Stephen.
Judaizers that were trying to force the Law and Jewish customs on Christians. And again you can read about the first Christian Council in Jerusalem that ruled the few things that James thought Christians should observe.

The Jehovah's Witnesses....what a sad joke....fixated on the Old Testament and they don't even know the name of God the Father and just like the Jews they do not believe that Yeshua is a God. And Just like the Jews they do not believe in Hell. If you are going to deny Christ, why not just be a Jew?

Sorry picture of yourself.

 

[Grailhunter]

And I will tell you that you have never read either the New or the Old Testament or you read them comprehending sultsch.

You are not doing the stuff again are you?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Take a stab at it and tell me what He was correcting.

You said; not I. And I'm not interested in something that interests you.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That does not make any sense.

Sure doesn't!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath is for ALL Christians.

"Honest Abe", Lincoln, "struggled to tell a lie". But he may not have meant it, who knows, but I see in this excellent 'quote', "rise", "by the Power of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave : "on the Sabbath".

 

[GEN2REV]

It's clear that the Sabbath Commandment had been given by God long before the 10 Commandments on stone tablets.

Ya the Sabbath Commandment was given a long time ago.....no surprise.

Exactly, that's how we know they were not given only to Israel at Mt. Sinai. They were given to all mankind all the way back to Eden to allow men to know what sin was. Sin is the breaking of the Commandments. 1 John 3:4

And again you do not even know what the Ten Commandments are.

I know what the 4th Commandment is. Do you know what the 4th Commandment is? What is it?

 

[Grailhunter]

Exactly, that's how we know they were not given only to Israel at Mt. Sinai. They were given to all mankind all the way back to Eden to allow men to know what sin was. Sin is the breaking of the Commandments. 1 John 3:4

We can not break a Old Testament Commandment because they do not apply to us.

Yahweh was dealing with the Israelites in small area of the Middle East.....no world broadcast.

I know what the 4th Commandment is. Do you know what the 4th Commandment is? What is it?

Oh no. I am not falling for that....LOL...You have to find the Ten Commandments first.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath was first mentioned in Exodus 18

<In Exodus 11> is the first place in the OT where the Sabbath is called "the Sabbath". Before, the Sabbath is being described as well as named with its -- with God's --, words for it, namely, sometimes "The Day The Seventh Day", sometimes, only, "The Seventh Day", like in Genesis 2:2,3 and Joshua 6:4,15. In the Fourth Commandment, "The Day The Seventh Day" is used AS in Hebrews 4:4 in the Greek!
You have, in Genesis 2:2,3, all, ready, the Maker, the Day, the blessing, and sanctifying and finishing and Resting of God, on the day of His "Sabbath's-resting", "The Seventh Day", yet you do not all ready, have "The _SABBATH-DAY_ OF THE LORD GOD"???

God and the Word of God are both, the God and the Word, "of ORDER"! The Seventh Day is the Sabbath and the Sabbath is the Seventh Day and no other!