Secure Eternal Salvation

[Marymog]

Silly Mary of course I do. The RCC church is a sad story of heretics and false teachings starting around 400 AD and continues today. Its most proud moments are in the dark ages. They were in fact trying to keep the uninformed in darkness and without knowledge by doing everything they could to prevent the common folk from having access to the scriptures. The RCC church has a rap sheet longer than a roll of toilet paper. Crooked Popes, False Popes, Insane Popes, and supposable all infallible. There are so many false teachings in the CC that it's difficult to list them all.

There are evil, crooked, and false teachers that have been involved in every know denomination but the CC has been consistent with problems. The early church had them too. Simon Magus was one of the first. Some even think Simon Magus was part of the downfall of the church in Rome. I'm not sure of that myself.

Some of us come down directly and bluntly about our views concerning the doctrine of the CC not because we hate Catholics but because we pray and hope they will see the truth before it's too late. I feel the same way about JW, SDA, and Mormons.

Well, I asked you who taught you this and you never answered. You just doubled down into another anti-Catholic rant that twists Christian history. Sooooooo WHO TAUGHT YOU THIS?????

Where is your evidence that The Church keeping the common folk from having access to Scripture?

Soooooo Protestant denominations haven't been "consistent with problems"? Are you being serious? The very first Protestant (Luther) had "problems" which is why some men broke away from him because of his "problems" (like wanting to remove books from the NT). Those men then had problems and the men of that denomination broke away from them and so on and so on until we get people like you, 500 years later, that have fallen FAR from the original Protestant. But YOU don't have any "problems"...do you TEXBOW? YOU are the one who can point out everyone else's "problem"? Simply fascinating..........

To be direct and blunt is fine. To pretend that Protestantism is any different than Catholicism in it's problems is hypocriticale. Are you a hypocrite TEXBOW? How about your friend @Ferris Bueller who "liked" your post? Do you agree with everything he says? Both of you disagree with The Church but I bet both of you disagree with each other all the time on this forum. Is that a problem TEXBOW? Of course it isn't because Ferris and the Mormons and Catholics and JW's will always be wrong and you will always be right....Won't you TEXBOW?

I'm just being direct and blunt about your views! But then again YOU, the leader of your church, will never be "evil, crooked and a false teacher. Will you? Of couse we will never know since I don't know your doctrine. You can find my doctrine anytime you want. Catechism of the Catholic Church (vatican.va)


Where can I find your doctrine TEXBOW? Well, that's a problem now isn't it.........

 

[amigo de christo]

Then, congratulations.
You agree with the Catholic Church.

We dont pray to angels , saints and mary , so no we DONT agree with babylon.

 

[TEXBOW]

Well, I asked you who taught you this and you never answered. You just doubled down into another anti-Catholic rant that twists Christian history. Sooooooo WHO TAUGHT YOU THIS?????

Where is your evidence that The Church keeping the common folk from having access to Scripture?

Soooooo Protestant denominations haven't been "consistent with problems"? Are you being serious? The very first Protestant (Luther) had "problems" which is why some men broke away from him because of his "problems" (like wanting to remove books from the NT). Those men then had problems and the men of that denomination broke away from them and so on and so on until we get people like you, 500 years later, that have fallen FAR from the original Protestant. But YOU don't have any "problems"...do you TEXBOW? YOU are the one who can point out everyone else's "problem"? Simply fascinating..........

To be direct and blunt is fine. To pretend that Protestantism is any different than Catholicism in it's problems is hypocriticale. Are you a hypocrite TEXBOW? How about your friend @Ferris Bueller who "liked" your post? Do you agree with everything he says? Both of you disagree with The Church but I bet both of you disagree with each other all the time on this forum. Is that a problem TEXBOW? Of course it isn't because Ferris and the Mormons and Catholics and JW's will always be wrong and you will always be right....Won't you TEXBOW?

I'm just being direct and blunt about your views! But then again YOU, the leader of your church, will never be "evil, crooked and a false teacher. Will you? Of couse we will never know since I don't know your doctrine. You can find my doctrine anytime you want. Catechism of the Catholic Church (vatican.va)


Where can I find your doctrine TEXBOW? Well, that's a problem now isn't it.........

Every belief I have is confirmed in the scriptures. I test all input of knowledge and theology. I look to God's word as my source. As I explained to you once that unless you demote your flesh and promote your Spirit you will never understand the Holy Spirits' role in knowledge, wisdom, and the other gifts of the Spirit. It's a daily battle between the flesh and the Spirit and we are commanded to walk in the Spirit. I fail at this at times because like your Pope I'm not infallible but I have the promise of forgiveness in repentance. You need an organization, you need a man. I only need the Holy Spirit and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ to guide me.

I've never made claim to have any problems all men do. I'm pointing to false doctrine. I do not pretend that Protestantism is any different than Catholicism in regard to each having their own false doctrines, you find this issue among protestant denominations also but this thread is not about listing the problems of each denomination. If you care to start such a post on each denomination's false beliefs I will chime in.

Lazy Mary. You must stick your head in the sand to ignore all the historical facts concerning the CC vile and tortoreus actions against the reformers. Bishop John Stokesley, Thomas More (a hit man for the CC) who the CC venerated as Saint Thomas More, Cuthbert Tunstell the Bishop of
London, and many others left a legecy of shame. Your Saint Thomas More who challenged Tyndale's efforts at every turn to prohibit his English translation of the Bible. More opposed Sola Scriptura, Faith Alone and most all Protastant beliefs. More didn't like yourself believe that God shall write in the hearts with the Holy Spirit. Tyndale had to go into hiding and remain on the run for his efforts in translating the Bible to English. Of course the CC played a part in the arrest of Tyndale and his burning at the stake after he was strangled. Your Saint Thomas More is credited in Foxes book of Martyrd as torturing many protastants. Richard Hunne was killed on the esiastical charge of denying the authority of the church because he refused to pay the priest a fee for the burial of his baby son. The CC was overrun by evil men.

Tyndale said this about your early church leaders previous religious vows, he presented priests as taking any number of prostitutes, but
hypocritically remaining unmarried . Priests appear as warmongers, creating wars between princes to preserve their own power . He ironically lists the many rituals of the church, suggesting that their main point is to raise money for priests. He asks why the Mass is in Latin, and replies that it is to keep the people mystified by revealing nothing, and charging money, too, for a ceremony that almost none of the flock could understand. By this means, the clergy succeeded in cheating the people at once of their worldly goods and of their salvation.

Remember Tyndale was once a Catholic himself. His knowledge was from first hand witness.

As you can see the message today is the same as then. The Catholic church did everything in its power to shut down the English translation of the Bible. Why, for control, perserve their power, greed.

Anti-Protestantism dates back to before the Protestant Reformation itself, as various pre-Protestant groups such as Arnoldists, Waldensians, Hussites and Lollards were persecuted in Roman Catholic Europe.

Pope Paul III sanctioned the first society pleged to extinguish protestantism.

St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572. I suspect that the CC would like to cancel this history.

An inbred Charles V was a Holy Roman Emperor but even he didn't dig up a dead Pope and put him on trial. Volumes have been written about the autrocities and torturous actions taken in the name of punishing heritics (Protestants) by Your Church.

There have been evil men in all denominations but it's total ignorance to suggest that the reformers committed anything on the scale of the CC evil deeds. Not even a fraction.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And there’s ANOTHER lie.

Paul never talked about “faith alone. In fact – YOUR Protestant Father, Martin Luther had to ADD the word “alone” to his German translation Rom. 3:28 because it was NOT there in the original verse.
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[/QUOTE]

What a moronic understanding of what James wrote.

Secondlt - your idiotic

one thing is for sure. If I was looking for truth to the word of God I would not look to you. You can not even talk without attacking those who disagree with you. With these types of posts. I do not understand why your allowed to continue in this chat room. Most of them you would have been banned.

But one thing I have learned. They are graceful in this chatroom.

But I will not for one more second put up with your bullying

Good day sir.

I pray one day you eat the true bread of life Jesus spoke of in John 6.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

But one thing I have learned. They are graceful in this chatroom.

AMEN! Like The AMAZING GRACE Of God!! Amen?

 

[Marymog]

Lazy Mary. You must stick your head in the sand to ignore all the historical facts concerning the CC vile and tortoreus actions against the reformers. Bishop John Stokesley, Thomas More (a hit man for the CC) who the CC venerated as Saint .... The CC was overrun by evil men.

Hey TEXBOW,

You don't know me and if you did you would know that I am not "lazy" in regard to Christian history. It was the writings from Christian history (the Apostolic and Early Church Fathers) that brought me out of the confusion you are in; Protestantism! I have read the words of the men who were students of the Apostles and I trust them MUCH more than I trust you. If you say anything that doesn't match up with what they wrote YOU are automatically wrong. Hands down....


I have previously acknowledged on this forum....multiple times....that over the last 2,000 years there have been some men in The Church who were corrupt. That DOES NOT make Church doctrine corrupt. Judas was corrupt....did his actions negate the teachings of the other 11 Apostles???? No, of course not. The Church has apologized for its past behavior.

Did you know the Protestants of the Reformation did the same things that The Church did; killed, tortured, trials for heresy etc etc? They not only did this to Catholics but to other Protestants soooooooooooooooooooo PLEASE stop talking to me about what my forefathers of The Church did. I had nothing to do with that. I am my own person. Talk to me about me and what I say. Judge me by my character....not what my forefathers did. That is unless you want me to start focusing on what your Protestant forefathers did WHICH WAS THE SAME THING. In other words, don't be a hypocrite.

STOP canceling history TEXBOW....Your forefathers are as guilty as mine! How about if you and I just focus on what we say to each other?

DEAL? :cool:

 

[Marymog]

Every belief I have is confirmed in the scriptures. I test all input of knowledge and theology. I look to God's word as my source. As I explained to you once that unless you demote your flesh and promote your Spirit you will never understand the Holy Spirits' role in knowledge, wisdom, and the other gifts of the Spirit. It's a daily battle between the flesh and the Spirit and we are commanded to walk in the Spirit. I fail at this at times because like your Pope I'm not infallible but I have the promise of forgiveness in repentance. You need an organization, you need a man. I only need the Holy Spirit and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ to guide me.

I've never made claim to have any problems all men do. I'm pointing to false doctrine. I do not pretend that Protestantism is any different than Catholicism in regard to each having their own false doctrines, you find this issue among protestant denominations also but this thread is not about listing the problems of each denomination. If you care to start such a post on each denomination's false beliefs I will chime in....

Oh goodness TEXBOW.

So you believe YOUR belief is confirmed in Scripture?? What if what you "confirm" from Scripture is opposite of what the Apostolic or Early Church Fathers or 1st century Christian writings "confirm"? For instance: They all taught that the bread/wine taken at communion IS His body/blood. Do you agree with that?

YOU are pointing to false doctrine. How do you know when a doctrine is false? What criteria do you use? But then again you already admitted you "fail at times" sooooooo maybe when you tell me that The Church is teaching a false doctrine to me I shouldn't believe you? After all, what you are telling me might be the time that you are failing and eventually you will stop failing and realize you are wrong!!! Something to think about TEXBOW.....

And a little house cleaning here: The Church does not teach that the Pope is infallible in all things! If that's what you believe please show me where you learned that.

Mary

 

[TEXBOW]

Oh goodness TEXBOW.

So you believe YOUR belief is confirmed in Scripture?? What if what you "confirm" from Scripture is opposite of what the Apostolic or Early Church Fathers or 1st century Christian writings "confirm"? For instance: They all taught that the bread/wine taken at communion IS His body/blood. Do you agree with that?

No. I do not believe in hocus pocus. The CC has materialized the spiritual. In your mass, you actually worship a pancake (wafer) made by nuns. Efficacious salvation to the dead, your false prayers for the dead in a false purgatory. No matter how many candles you burn your priest cannot save someone from hell. To say I'm not worried about being dammed as stated in the council of Trent is an understatement. I feel sorry for you.

 

[TEXBOW]

Corruption has dominated the CC from its earliest days. The forged Donation of Constantine was the foundation to establishing false power and authority. The leadership has deceived millions for their own power and greed. We cannot count the number of souls led into deception by the CC. I have to guess that hell will be a bit more miserable for those evil partners with Satan who abused so many. There is nothing remotely similar in the Protestant religions. For every paragraph you can find on abuses within the Protestant faith there are 100 books on the evil, corrupt and false teachings from the catholic church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

We dont pray to angels , saints and mary , so no we DONT agree with babylon.

As usual - you jump into a conversation without having actualy read the posts.

I was referring to @Ferris Bueller's statement regarding faith and works.
Your idiotic anti-Catholic rant is nothing more than a diversion.

Come prepared next time . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Where is your evidence that The Church keeping the common folk from having access to Scripture?

TEXBOW is correct. Not even trained clergy could view the scriptures without first being schooled in Catholicism:

Tyndale began a Bachelor of Arts degree at Magdalen Hall (later Hertford College) of Oxford University in 1506 and received his B.A. in 1512, the same year becoming a subdeacon. He was made Master of Arts in July 1515 and was held to be a man of virtuous disposition, leading an unblemished life.[17][incomplete short citation] The M.A. allowed him to start studying theology, but the official course did not include the systematic study of Scripture. As Tyndale later complained:

They have ordained that no man shall look on the Scripture, until he be noselled in heathen learning eight or nine years and armed with false principles, with which he is clean shut out of the understanding of the Scripture.​

William Tyndale - Wikipedia.
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The Catholic church told students what the scriptures meant before they even had a chance to look at the scriptures, lol!

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[Ferris Bueller]

Soooooo Protestant denominations haven't been "consistent with problems"? Are you being serious? The very first Protestant (Luther) had "problems" which is why some men broke away from him because of his "problems" (like wanting to remove books from the NT). Those men then had problems and the men of that denomination broke away from them and so on and so on until we get people like you, 500 years later, that have fallen FAR from the original Protestant. But YOU don't have any "problems"...do you TEXBOW? YOU are the one who can point out everyone else's "problem"? Simply fascinating..........

To be direct and blunt is fine. To pretend that Protestantism is any different than Catholicism in it's problems is hypocriticale. Are you a hypocrite TEXBOW? How about your friend @Ferris Bueller who "liked" your post? Do you agree with everything he says? Both of you disagree with The Church but I bet both of you disagree with each other all the time on this forum. Is that a problem TEXBOW? Of course it isn't because Ferris and the Mormons and Catholics and JW's will always be wrong and you will always be right....Won't you TEXBOW?

Unless you are referring to another post, I did not see TEXTBOW praising the Protestant church. Did you just jump to the conclusion that he thought the Protestant church was the cat's pajamas just because he condemns the Catholic church?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Where can I find your doctrine TEXBOW? Well, that's a problem now isn't it.........

It's the Bible, of course, lol.
This is hard for Catholics to imagine because they have been taught that no one outside of the priesthood can understand the scriptures. It has to be interpreted and summarized in another detailed document for them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

one thing is for sure. If I was looking for truth to the word of God I would not look to you. You can not even talk without attacking those who disagree with you. With these types of posts. I do not understand why your allowed to continue in this chat room. Most of them you would have been banned.

But one thing I have learned. They are graceful in this chatroom.

But I will not for one more second put up with your bullying

Good day sir.

I pray one day you eat the true bread of life Jesus spoke of in John 6.

Wow - another LIE.

I never attack those who simply "disagree" with the Catholic Church.
I expose people like YOU, who LIE about what the Church believes and teaches - but your incredible hypocriisy is noted..

There are MANY non-Catholic here and elswhere with whom I have had wonderful confer conversations because they were charitable. You and your cronies on this threaf, however have proven to be nothing mpore than the usual, run-of-the-mil ignorant anti-Catholics.

A little advice: Be charitable in your "disagreements" and try your hardest NOT to lie.
After all - God commands you NOT to bear false witness (Exod. 20:16) - so take it seriously.
Remember:
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Finally - I eat the True Bread of Life at each and every Mass as commanded by our Lord (Matt. 26:26–28, Luke 22:19–20, Mark 14:22–24, 1 Cor. 11:23–25).
It's a shame that YOU don't . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Corruption has dominated the CC from its earliest days. The forged Donation of Constantine was the foundation to establishing false power and authority. The leadership has deceived millions for their own power and greed. We cannot count the number of souls led into deception by the CC. I have to guess that hell will be a bit more miserable for those evil partners with Satan who abused so many. There is nothing remotely similar in the Protestant religions. For every paragraph you can find on abuses within the Protestant faith there are 100 books on the evil, corrupt and false teachings from the catholic church.

There was evil in the Church from the beginning, starting with Judas, who was hand-picked by Jesus Himself (John 6:70-71).
Jesus warned that their would be false teachers from WITHIN (Matt. 7:15-20) - so for you to be "shocked" that there were bad people in Church history simplky shows your ignporance of Scripture.

YOUR problem is that you try to justify the sins of your Protestant sects as being "less" than those that happened withiun the Church. The SAME sins of murder and greed and adultery and lies and child molestation gave happed and ARE happening within your Proterstant factions, my Pharisaical frind
S, for YOU to preach that God will turn a blind eye to YOUR sins just because you believe that they are "not as bad" borders on blasphemy.

The Church is not a museum opf "perfect" people.
It is a hospital for sinners - and ALWAYS has been . . .

 

[TEXBOW]

There was evil in the Church from the beginning, starting with Judas, who was hand-picked by Jesus Himself (John 6:70-71).
Jesus warned that their would be false teachers from WITHIN (Matt. 7:15-20) - so for you to be "shocked" that there were bad people in Church history simplky shows your ignporance of Scripture.

YOUR problem is that you try to justify the sins of your Protestant sects as being "less" than those that happened withiun the Church. The SAME sins of murder and greed and adultery and lies and child molestation gave happed and ARE happening within your Proterstant factions, my Pharisaical frind
S, for YOU to preach that God will turn a blind eye to YOUR sins just because you believe that they are "not as bad" borders on blasphemy.

The Church is not a museum opf "perfect" people.
It is a hospital for sinners - and ALWAYS has been . . .

I've repeated several times that all denominations have had evil people in leadership positions. Men are men and men sin. You try to compare the sins of reformers with the long history of satan's partnership with the CC. There is no comparison. Have you thought about the fact that Judas was dead before God sent his Holy Spirit? I do not justify any sin. I hate sin. I hate false doctrine as it deceives souls and ushers them into hell. God will not turn a blind eye towards any sin. You have resorted to just making up my position on this matter. We see thru you. I pray for you.

A Catholic is in no position to counsel the world on child molestation. Your Church has and is protecting those guilty of sexual abuse to this very day. Your Church is also protecting the Homosexual Priest Pipeline out of South America. It is estimated that several hundred thousand children, mostly boys have been molested in the CC. One man tells of the Bishop fondling him as a young boy while the Bishop was Hail Mary praying. How sick.

Over 1700 Priest have been accused of sexual abuse of a child. Over 333,000 children were abused in Catholic Churches in France alone. Over 1000 in Pennsylvania that we know of. I would guess the number of abused around the world is in the millions. It is a global satan infested organization. Bury your head in the sand. I wouldn't want to admit it either if I were you. Are all Catholic Priest corrupt, NO. Are all Catholic Churches corrupt NO. Their supreme leadership is. The Church is well aware of the abuses and turns its head. They continue to ignore the numerous problems with a homosexual Priest in Paterson NJ to this day. It is a global infestation.
Many in the CC turn their eyes away because they are deceived into false traditions the Church has created to subject its followers. I do feel bad for them. I do not hate those who are in the CC, I hate false doctrine. I hate Satan and his minions.

You cannot see it. I understand.

 

[TEXBOW]

TEXBOW is correct. Not even trained clergy could view the scriptures without first being schooled in Catholicism:

Tyndale began a Bachelor of Arts degree at Magdalen Hall (later Hertford College) of Oxford University in 1506 and received his B.A. in 1512, the same year becoming a subdeacon. He was made Master of Arts in July 1515 and was held to be a man of virtuous disposition, leading an unblemished life.[17][incomplete short citation] The M.A. allowed him to start studying theology, but the official course did not include the systematic study of Scripture. As Tyndale later complained:

They have ordained that no man shall look on the Scripture, until he be noselled in heathen learning eight or nine years and armed with false principles, with which he is clean shut out of the understanding of the Scripture.​

William Tyndale - Wikipedia.
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The Catholic church told students what the scriptures meant before they even had a chance to look at the scriptures, lol!

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She knows these things. A person would have to ignore all the evidence. Tradition is more important than truth to some.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hey guys, I found something interesting yesterday in my reading, beginning remarks of 1 Thess.

your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hopein our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you see it? He makes a distinction and uses two different words. Work that comes through trust, and labor done that is prompted by love.

 

[TEXBOW]

Hey guys, I found something interesting yesterday in my reading, beginning remarks of 1 Thess.

your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hopein our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you see it? He makes a distinction and uses two different words. Work that comes through trust, and labor done that is prompted by love.

Yes. Your salvation produces good works with love. Works are evidence of salvation and not a cause for salvation.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Blah, blah, blah. Don’t get mad but blah.