Vaccine Adverse Effects

[Bobby Jo]

... unless one can prove that doctors and nurses and the media are colluding to intentionallt decieve Americans (for what purpose) ...

? Because satan and his human minions are trying to decimate humanity?

And while SOME Doctors and Nurses are complacent and complicit, MANY are STANDING UP and SPEAKING OUT against the MASS MURDER. So the LIARS point the former, and ignore the latter; and make a myriad of excuses for which they will be held accountable for in this life and the next (Rev. 14:10).

So the Faithful such as @Aunty Jane and others proclaim the TRUTH; but the liars lie.
Bobby Jo

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[Ronald Nolette]

and if people took better care of their health,

And if Adam and Eve never sinned...... We can talk about the whjat ifs, but we should deal with what is.

People are basically lazy and would rather pop a pill or take a j@b than alter their lifestyle and improve the function of their own immune system. Those with healthy immune systems survived the mutated strains at home with a 99% recovery rate. Most said it was like a mild case of the flu.

They count everyone who died "with" c0v!d as though they die "from" it....the figures are fudged to imply that this v!rus is way more deadly that it really is. People could educate themselves and become their own advocates if they test positive for C19.

so what is your answer? Let all the lazy people die???

Yeah covid death numbers are somewhat fudged. My daughter deals with all teh stats for covid in the hospital she works at. anyone who dies with a + test is attributed.

But so aren't the numbers of people who die from the shot are fudged. If someone dies and they got real sick or died close to the time htey got teh shot- it is attributed to that as well! Even so with over 320 million shots administered we know with har evidence that vaccinated people fair much much better than unvaccinated.

The v@xxing has proven that it isn't working....

Well hospital reporting and the hard empirical evidence proves you wrong! It is not a vaccine, it is a prophylaxis like a flu shot. It was introduced with tthe caveat it would not be 100% effective. Anbd it has shown that vaccinated people fair much better than the unvaccinated. I wish it was perfect, but we live in an imperfect world, and I am not as bitter as you and christo- del rio and wrangler and taken towards government, big pharma and the media, though I know they are all corrupt.

 

[Wrangler]

unless one can prove that doctors and nurses and the media are colluding to intentionallt decieve Americans (for what purpose)

This demand for proof is the dead give away of your evil motivations; a time tested approach. Implied is the premise that unless we prove something to you, then your scheme ought to move forward without delay. Wrong! This is not how freedom works.

Well I simply listen to ER nurses and doctors!

This implied superiority of authority is another dead give away of your evil intentions. Guess what? Since when did we surrender our freedom to your authority of ER nurses and doctors? Never!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

?Hypocrisy? -- Calling others liars.

But it's ok, we all make choices in life, -- some that we might not suffer loss, and others which are to our detriment either temporal or eternal. And for some it's to late to repent:

1 Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared,​

So go your own way and receive your "reward".
Bobby Jo

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And what have I been hyhpocritical on? why don't you get specific. Several people have accused me of that here, but not one has had the strength of character, integrity nor courage to back up teh accusation with evidence.

And if people lie about what i believe and have clearly told them so, what would you call them?

 

[Wrangler]

so what is your answer? Let all the lazy people die???

I'm OK with letting all the ambitious people die - those that seek power over others.

The idea that you have a greater responsibility for people's lives than they do - under the guise that they are too lazy to do what it takes to live - is preposterous!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

? Because satan and his human minions are trying to decimate humanity?

And while SOME Doctors and Nurses are complacent and complicit, MANY are STANDING UP and SPEAKING OUT against the MASS MURDER. So the LIARS point the former, and ignore the latter; and make a myriad of excuses for which they will be held accountable for in this life and the next (Rev. 14:10).

So the Faithful such as @Aunty Jane and others proclaim the TRUTH; but the liars lie.
Bobby Jo

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so Christian nurses, Christian doctors, Christian immunologists,Christian virologists and geneticists and microbiologists are all in on this grand conspiracy???

I have personally listened to over a dozen doctors and nurses that as you said "are standing up and speakin gout" against this so called mass murder.

Not one of them is an immunologist, not one is a virologist or geneticist or infectious disease expert. Nor any molecular biology fields that actually stusdy these things.

I have heard on TV obs.gyn's, periatricians, geriatric specialists, internal med people, ER doctors as well as many nurses. So what studies did they do to give them this expert knowledge?

They are all smart and well educated- just not in the field they are going on the air to denounce. I trust my ortthopedic surgeon to deal with my chronic cacut arthritis, but I have little trtust in him to diagnose my heart conditions.

I always thought the gospel was the truth we are to proclaim. I missed anywhere that says to have any positive words' about the covid vaccine is working against the truth and makes me complacent, complicit and lying? Are you able to show me or is this just another accusation that is given without any evidence.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

? Because satan and his human minions are trying to decimate humanity?

And while SOME Doctors and Nurses are complacent and complicit, MANY are STANDING UP and SPEAKING OUT against the MASS MURDER. So the LIARS point the former, and ignore the latter; and make a myriad of excuses for which they will be held accountable for in this life and the next (Rev. 14:10).

So the Faithful such as @Aunty Jane and others proclaim the TRUTH; but the liars lie.
Bobby Jo

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How many is many? Is it like the misused statisitc used by Christians to scare peole? I am talking about teh headline in hysterical christians web sites and talk shows that sya teen boys who get vaccinated are 600% more likely to get myocarditis than those who don't get vaccinated. what these henny penny the sky is falling believers will not tell you is that only 1/100,000 teen boys come down with myocarditis and that so far only 7 cases in teh Us in 2021 haqve been reported after a vaccine was given. Is that too many? sure, but in 2021 12,000 teen boys are reproted dead from covid. Even if that number is twice as high as reality we are still talking 6,000 deaths from covid. which is worse to you 7 cases of myocarditis which is curable or 6,000 deaths which is kind of final???

I await your answer

 

[Bobby Jo]

T... This implied superiority of authority is another dead give away of your evil intentions. Guess what? Since when did we surrender our freedom to your authority of ER nurses and doctors? Never!

Liars always move the goal posts; arguments and evidence never persuade someone who's intentionally dishonest. They are as satan, their father.

However, WE CAN KNOW THE TRUTH, because the TRUTH ALWAYS COMES OUT:

Trump has it all, and is releasing it as quickly as the "milk-drinkers" can become the "meat-eaters". And we're QUICKLY becoming adept at chewing and digesting MEAT!


With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM

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[farouk]

Well I simply listen to ER nurses and doctors!

We have a relative with a lot of qualifications in the subject and she confirms that the virus is so infectious; makes me glad of the vaccine.

 

[Bobby Jo]

We have a relative with a lot of qualifications in the subject and she confirms that the virus is so infectious; makes me glad of the vaccine.

GOOD JOB.

She's UNDER-QUALIFIED, and you've been duped:

Pfizer Whistleblower, Karen Kingston Drops Major Truth Bombs... She Says Covid Vaccine Death Mandate Is An Act Of War

Pfizer Whistleblower, Karen Kingston Drops Major Truth Bombs... She Says Covid Vaccine Death Mandate Is An Act Of War

Pain Coming, Published 22 days ago​

Bobby Jo

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[Aunty Jane]

Well I simply listen to ER nurses and doctors! And unless one can prove that doctors and nurses and the media are colluding to intentionallt decieve Americans (for what purpose), then what I have been told by eyewitnesses is not unusual but a common phenomena across the land.

It’s not the frontline workers we blame because they have their protocols to follow in the ICU....
They are bound by the hospital rules and who do the hospital administrators rely on for their data?
Too many frontline workers are afraid of losing their jobs just like a lot of other folks who have mandates for v@xxes. Some, through the exercise of their own conscience, have chosen not to accept what they fear is worse than the v!rus. And since many of those who succumb to C19 are fully v@xxed, they do not see the point in risking a sh0t that could also kill them when they are not sick. So many have come forward with worrying aftereffects of the shot and no one is taking responsibility. Doesn’t the fact that you can’t sue them for grievous bodily harm ring alarm bells? If you are disabled by the j@b, and can no longer work, where is the compensation? It doesn’t exist.

Useless vaccine? do you have empirical research showing it is useless? From all I seen now since the shots have been happening for a year now- death rates for teh vaccinated and serious illness rates among tghe vaccinated are multiple times lower than the unvaccinated. that is strong tangible empirical evidence that teh vaccine is more than useless.

The fact that v@xxed people are still dying from the v!rus is proof that it is useless at preventing transmission.
That is what v@xxinations are supposed to do.
Each successive strain is less deadly than the last.....but more transmissible....so this is why the switch to case numbers. To keep the fear factor going so people will queue for their endless b00sters.

53 year old singer Carlos Marin of Il Divo fame passed away in Britain from complications of C19 and he was fully v@xxed. If you can still get the v!rus and die, you can still pass it on to others. Others are no more safe from you than they are from unv@xxed people. Yet there is still this aversion to the unv@xxed as if they are the cause of all the problems.

what is your answer? what do you do? Nothing? Wait? or what.

You follow what has been shown to be effective in other countries who did not get the v@xx!nes because of financial constraints. Pfizer refused to sell to poor countries, ensuring their profit margins remained high.

Ivermectin, hydroxycroquine, vitamin D, zinc, massive doses of vitamin C and other drugs shown to be effective to prevent the symptoms from escalating. It is the hyper-inflammatory response to the v!rus that kills people, so anti-inflammatory drugs that are already available can work and have been shown to be effective. This rubbish about the drugs not being tested for illnesses other than what they are “approved” for is a joke. These drugs have been “approved” and used for decades. The j@bs OTOH are not tested long term, and the truth about its adverse effects is being covered up. Medical opinions that differs from the status quo, are silenced.

8YOu h ave complained alot here, but I have not seen one solution to deal with covid-19 yet.

Prevention is better than cure. People need to change their lifestyle. Lazy people don’t want to do that. They want a quick fix that allows them to do whatever they want. The truth is that those who die from C19 have the health issues that this v!rus uses to kill them. When the health issues are self induced due to lifestyle choices and are completely preventable, who do you blame for taking up the ICU beds?

And if Adam and Eve never sinned...... We can talk about the whjat ifs, but we should deal with what is.

Dealing with what is means doing all we can to boost our own God-given immune systems rather than choosing lifestyles that suppress it. A little education is all it takes.

so what is your answer? Let all the lazy people die???

Educate the lazy people on how to prevent getting sick in the first place. The only ones who succumb to this v!rus are those whose immune response is poor. Obesity and type two diabetes are self inflicted lifestyle diseases, completely curable with a change in diet. No medications required. We do not have to dig a grave with our teeth. Doctors know very little about nutrition...they are taught to prescribe drugs. Food is the most powerful drug on the planet....we used to be able to grow it for free as God intended, but look at what we rely on the commercial system to give us.....fast food and nutrient poor, shelf life enhanced poison. Even so called fresh food is not fresh, but stored sometimes for years before it gets to the supermarket shelves. And we wonder why there is so much illness...?

We have handed over our health to a world controlled by the devil. (1 John 5:19)

But so aren't the numbers of people who die from the shot are fudged. If someone dies and they got real sick or died close to the time htey got teh shot- it is attributed to that as well! Even so with over 320 million shots administered we know with har evidence that vaccinated people fair much much better than unvaccinated.

How are the people harmed by the v@xx better off? They were not sick before the j@b. 99% of people recover at home with only mild flu symptoms regardless of whether they got the sh0ts or not.....and with the current strain that number who recover well has increased as the number of deaths and hospitalisation decreases. How is this pandemic reported to be so serious when only such a small percentage of people get sick enough to need ICU treatment?
Do we understand the difference between dying “with” c0vid and dying “from” it? This is where the truth gets lost.

Well hospital reporting and the hard empirical evidence proves you wrong! It is not a vaccine, it is a prophylaxis like a flu shot. It was introduced with tthe caveat it would not be 100% effective. Anbd it has shown that vaccinated people fair much better than the unvaccinated. I wish it was perfect, but we live in an imperfect world, and I am not as bitter as you and christo- del rio and wrangler and taken towards government, big pharma and the media, though I know they are all corrupt.

There is an agenda that is plain for all to see.....follow the money trail. The anti-v@xxers have no ulterior motives....why would qualified medical personnel risk their jobs and reputations to expose the corruption behind this agenda if it wasn’t important? The producers of these drugs and the ones manipulated by the media and big pharma, have a vested interest in our ill health. Do the math.

You say you didn’t pay for your v@xxes? If you are a tax payer, then you certainly did. Big pharma is not getting richer by the minute because the money is coming from somewhere......guess from whose pockets this money is getting robbed? Multi $$$billions.

 

[Bobby Jo]

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There is an agenda that is plain for all to see ...

... and some people's agenda is DISINFORMATION, as we also see. -- It's sad that some go down a path thinking they will be "rewarded" only to find "punishment".


With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo & ELAM

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[Aunty Jane]

... and some people's agenda is DISINFORMATION, as we also see. -- It's sad that some go down a path thinking they will be "rewarded" only to find "punishment".

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The devil plays on ignorance as much as he does deception.....we need to do our own research from both sides, and people need to stop making excuses to believe those who don’t give a hoot about our physical health as long as their financial health is in good shape.

We need to identify the liars and why they want to spread those lies. It’s obvious to a few of us, but those who swallow the media reporting are just the “sheeples” who swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.....education is the key.
Christians should know who is running this tragic show. (1John 5:19)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

AuntyJane, your avatar should be like…a wise old owl or something…

 

[Aunty Jane]

AuntyJane, your avatar should be like…a wise old owl or something…

That is nice of you to say so, but I don’t consider myself wise, I only want to promote God’s wisdom. I am really a clown at heart.

 

[Wrangler]

so Christian nurses, Christian doctors, Christian immunologists,Christian virologists and geneticists and microbiologists are all in on this grand conspiracy???

One logical fallacy after another … Appeal to Majority, Appeal to Strawman … What matters is not what people say but facts.

The most important fact is free people do not have to explain their health care decisions.

All claims of scientific superiority/trust the science are destroyed by the FDA/CDC saying they need 60 years to release the data upon which they approved the so-called vaccine to today’s generation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We have a relative with a lot of qualifications in the subject and she confirms that the virus is so infectious; makes me glad of the vaccine.

Well according to some of the screamers on this thread, she is in cahoots with the devil! Course that is very juvenile and they refuse to support it with any scripture, but they do scream loudly here. and not one of them yet has had the courage to step up and say what they would do if they were in charge when all this broke out.

My wife works in the ER. she has seen way too many body bags from covid to last 10 lifetimes.

 

[farouk]

Well according to some of the screamers on this thread, she is in cahoots with the devil! Course that is very juvenile and they refuse to support it with any scripture, but they do scream loudly here. and not one of them yet has had the courage to step up and say what they would do if they were in charge when all this broke out.

My wife works in the ER. she has seen way too many body bags from covid to last 10 lifetimes.

@Ronald Nolette With religious extremists, it's a case of, Why spoil a good story with facts?

Trusting your wife is graciously strengthened in the sometimes harrowing work that she does...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And since many of those who succumb to C19 are fully v@xxed, t

And exactly how many is your many??? anmd what evidence do you have to support your many?

they do not see the point in risking a sh0t that could also kill them when they are not sick. So many have come forward with worrying aftereffects of the shot and no one is taking responsibility.

How many are your "so many"?

But once again what is your answer to stem the tide from the
hundreds of thousands of deaths either from covid or attributed to covid for it enflamed a preexisting condition to the point of death?

What would you do? Ball is in your court. Why don't we get your answer to that before you throw out more "generic" , many's with no numbers and no research.

How are the people harmed by the v@xx better off? They were not sick before the j@b. 99% of people recover at home with only mild flu symptoms regardless of whether they got the sh0ts or not.....and with the current strain that number who recover well has increased as the number of deaths and hospitalisation decreases. How is this pandemic reported to be so serious when only such a small percentage of people get sick enough to need ICU treatment?
Do we understand the difference between dying “with” c0vid and dying “from” it? This is where the truth gets lost.

Well to quote you from a previous post ( or paraphrse) people are basically lazy and do not do enough investigation to find out if the shot is right for them or not. I do not recommend anyone take a shot before they consult with their physician. All medications have risk some more than others.

But what would you have people do if the shot wasn't around? There is no known prophylaxis other than the shots. Teh meds available only work within the first 72 hours when most have not shown symptoms. So what is your answer.

YOu are strong in complaining about what is happening and conflating things without evidentiary support, but you have been silent as a tomb in proposing alternatives.

We are now at 811,000 deaths and counting and several millions more who have spent serious hospital time due to covid directly or indirectly. If you want to say that number is grossly inaccurate- please provide more than just your say so.

There is an agenda that is plain for all to see.....follow the money trail. The anti-v@xxers have no ulterior motives....why would qualified medical personnel risk their jobs and reputations to expose the corruption behind this agenda if it wasn’t important? The producers of these drugs and the ones manipulated by the media and big pharma, have a vested interest in our ill health. Do the math.

Well show me the evidence that they are in some sinister cabal to keep us ill.

But this is a different agenda altogether. This is the politics and fiscal issues surrounding this disease. If you want to start a thread on this, I would probably agree with you on many points! Is big pharma making money? Sure they are. Should they? Absolutely! People scfream about how much money big pharma rakes in when in fact there profits are about 8% of revenue! Where are people screaming about big tech where software firms make 60-70% profits?

do you know the average cost big pharma shells out before they sell their first pill? You probably would deny it.

You say you didn’t pay for your v@xxes? If you are a tax payer, then you certainly did. Big pharma is not getting richer by the minute because the money is coming from somewhere......guess from whose pockets this money is getting robbed? Multi $$$billions.

Can you show me teh facts you used to say big pharma is making multi billions form the shot?

But why don't you answer this simple question- Aunty Jane, you now are in charge- what would you do to stem trhe tide of this virus that came from China and is dropping people like flies. What are you going to do to show you care?

 

[Wrangler]

My wife works in the ER. she has seen way too many body bags from covid to last 10 lifetimes.

What’s awesome is the notion that people with the ‘vaccine’ are also dying is denied.