Vaccine Adverse Effects

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Nor should one be able to sue a manufacturer if they properly maufactured and listed all the known potential side effects of their medication. ...

You miss the mark on two instances, -- an MSDS provides BOTH the constituents and the risks --, of which NEITHER are provided by the manufacturer or the Government which seeks to IMPOSE such on the citizens. So did you MISS that none of the manufacturers ADVERTISE their "VAX" products on TV where they are required to divulge the Side Effects???

So by default, we see that the manufacturer seeks EXEMPTION from LIABILITY because they know that their "products" are going to injure and kill their "customers".


But those who are either ignorant or brain-washed by the propaganda stand in line.
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Well doctors do have the final say. They know or should know their patients and know fi they are at elevated risk for some of the more serious side effects.
Good.

But have we heard anything at all about doctors having the final say and making exceptions to the purposed mandates?

I haven't, not one word.
 

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Yeah what I supplied to Wrangler was only a sedated outcome of this COVID climate....
Measuring the pain, trauma and sorrows of families, loss of jobs, suicides and other real life events are hard to gauge in numbers, permanent scars etc....These are truly the main adverse effects of COVID and I would say today going forward into the future, this so-called vaccine even more. This latter evil devise is now being used to segregate people, families and lifestyles. We have not seen anything yet.

And I am very sorry Nancy if you, or someone you know are now statistics in these areas you and I have just pointed out...

Thanks Apak, yes, there are several in my family and friends who have put their trust in this "vaccine".
They know where I stand personally and there will be no arguments as those who fear, will fear. :( I pray for their protection.
 

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I did not actually say that these time-events were also considered all actual causes - from the vaccine. Although I would never say that most of these events would be coincidences either. I might lose my shirt on a wager that way. I would image it would be very difficult to test each person accurately and thoroughly (time and money) that has an event after taking the vaccine and say it was or was not truly caused by it. I would wager the introduction of this 'large' variable, the contents of the vaccine, must have had something to do with it, right?
You can't usually tell whether or not the vaccine was the cause by doing tests. What actually happens is that you count up the number of cases of a particular event (e.g. spontaneous blood clots) after the vaccine and compare that with the number of spontaneous blood clots that are known to occur in a population that haven't been vaccinated. If there are a higher proportion in the vaccinated group, then it's likely the vaccine had something to do with the excess number of cases (this was how they spotted that the AstraZeneca jab was linked to blood clots).
It has to be remembered that people are having accidents, heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, strange neurological symptoms, etc (often for no apparent reason) all the time. The mere fact that these events are occurring shortly after a dose of vaccine does not in itself prove anything. You have to do some statistical work on the data before you can use it. This is why raw VAERS data should NOT be quoted as evidence against the use of vaccines.
 
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You can't usually tell whether or not the vaccine was the cause by doing tests. What actually happens is that you count up the number of cases of a particular event (e.g. spontaneous blood clots) after the vaccine and compare that with the number of spontaneous blood clots that are known to occur in a population that haven't been vaccinated. If there are a higher proportion in the vaccinated group, then it's likely the vaccine had something to do with the excess number of cases (this was how they spotted that the AstraZeneca jab was linked to blood clots).
It has to be remembered that people are having accidents, heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, strange neurological symptoms, etc (often for no apparent reason) all the time. The mere fact that these events are occurring shortly after a dose of vaccine does not in itself prove anything. You have to do some statistical work on the data before you can use it. This is why raw VAERS data should NOT be quoted as evidence against the use of vaccines.
Well the curve/graph I showed in the previous post over time, shows a sudden drastic increase over this year in the number of events as compared to at least the previous 30 years. How do we account for all this glaring 'climb' in one year, if all things are equal? That the vaccine JUST aggravated an existing condition and was NOT the cause of harm or death, or suddenly we have had an avalanche of motor vehicle accidents and suicide etc, all in one year. Hard to believe this myself Deb. Cannot buy it at all.

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@Ronald Nolette

Vac manufacturers KNOW what is in their product.
People get “partial” information.
It is more than the actual Virus and Stabilizer.
They have “changed” the “meaning” of Vaccine.
What a prudent person understood what a Vaccine was, 50 years ago, no longer applies.
Vac Manufacturers have petitioned the Courts, TO BE GIVEN a legal Order, that would KEEP their full disclosure of “what is IN their Vaccine” TO BE KEPT from the Public for 50 Years.
Vac Manufacturers DO NOT KNOW, all the adverse negative EFFECTS their product will have on People...IT’S an EXPERIMENT...ON PEOPLE!
What we CAN SEE, IS the Adverse Effects their product DOES have on People who are participating IN the Human Experiment...Some Dying within days, Some Dying after exerting extreme energy (sports figures)...Some having late term miscarriages....Some experiencing dangerous Blood Clotting....Some experiencing quick onset of Organ failures...ie kidneys, heart, liver, etc.

No, the Doctor, Nurse, Government DOES NOT have a FINAL SAY, regarding an Individuals OWN Health matters.
The Individual Does. The Parent of a Minor Child Does. The Guardian Does.

No one cares IF individuals ELECT to be part of a Human Experiment, with a Product that the Manufacturers, want to call a Vaccine, and want to KEEP Secret what is in their “SHOTS” and “BOOSTERS.”

IF such an Experiment, IS another’s Choice, and THEY FEEL, “protected” from a VIRUS.....IF THEY are “SO PROTECTED”
Seriously....WHAT DO THEY CARE....IF another DOES NOT choose to be part of an “long drawn out”, Human pin cushion Experiment with “secret” crap?

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Well the curve/graph I showed in the previous post over time, shows a sudden drastic increase over this year in the number of events as compared to at least the previous 30 years. How do we account for all this glaring 'climb' in one year, if all things are equal? That the vaccine JUST aggravated an existing condition and was NOT the cause of harm or death, or suddenly we have had an avalanche of motor vehicle accidents and suicide etc, all in one year. Hard to believe this myself Deb. Cannot buy it at all.

It's the graph that I find hard to believe. The first bit is suspiciously flat - real life isn't like that. Where does it come from?

The print is small, but if it's from VAERS then the same considerations apply: you can't use raw VAERS data to prove anything. And it's still suspiciously flat: what actually happens is that every time a new vaccine comes out there's an increase in reporting because doctors are particularly alert to potential problems. Even if the Covid vaccines really are worse than all the others, where are the smaller peaks in previous years that should be there? So I'm not buying that explanation. Can't buy it at all.

What really has been different in 2020 compared to the last 30 years has been the lockdown (and other restrictions related to Covid). An increase in many other causes of death is to be expected because of that (it certainly happened in the UK, because the health service was overstretched).
 
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You miss the mark on two instances, -- an MSDS provides BOTH the constituents and the risks --, of which NEITHER are provided by the manufacturer or the Government which seeks to IMPOSE such on the citizens. So did you MISS that none of the manufacturers ADVERTISE their "VAX" products on TV where they are required to divulge the Side Effects???

So by default, we see that the manufacturer seeks EXEMPTION from LIABILITY because they know that their "products" are going to injure and kill their "customers".


But those who are either ignorant or brain-washed by the propaganda stand in line.
Bobby Jo

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Well you need to learn your procedures.

Prescription drugs are not required to have an msds sheet ( I was a captain of a haz mat squad), and yes the manufacturers, because the govt. allowed them to bypass the very lengthy trials and revamping did seek exemption from liability. that is only natural when the govt. is telling you to get a product market ASAP.

Why should they advertise their product on TV or radio or teh web when teh govt. is doing all the pushing?????
 

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Anyone who places THEIR decision making in the hands of another is a fool.

Bobby Jo

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Well then I hope when your mechanic tells you your brakes are shot- you do nto take their word for it, lest you become a hyporcrite. go ahead and drive for thousands of miles more!
 

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Good.

But have we heard anything at all about doctors having the final say and making exceptions to the purposed mandates?

I haven't, not one word.

Well I know my doctor has advised both for and against people being vaccinated. but then I am blessed with a doctor that cares about their patients.
 
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What a prudent person understood what a Vaccine was, 50 years ago, no longer applies.
Vac Manufacturers have petitioned the Courts, TO BE GIVEN a legal Order, that would KEEP their full disclosure of “what is IN their Vaccine” TO BE KEPT from the Public for 50 Years.
Vac Manufacturers DO NOT KNOW, all the adverse negative EFFECTS their product will have on People...IT’S an EXPERIMENT...ON PEOPLE!
What we CAN SEE, IS the Adverse Effects their product DOES have on People who are participating IN the Human Experiment...Some Dying within days, Some Dying after exerting extreme energy (sports figures)...Some having late term miscarriages....Some experiencing dangerous Blood Clotting....Some experiencing quick onset of Organ failures...ie kidneys, heart, liver, etc.

Well it was the govt. that promoted it as a vaccine. It is simply a shot like a flu shot though we all call that a vaccine.

Even if the covid vaccines were tested for the 6-10 years as is normal, all the potential side effects would still not be3 known. that is standard for all medications.

Every medicine is an experiment on people. doctors weigh the benefits against the potential risks and make decisions that the benefits will outweigh the risks. The more virulent a disease or condition, th emore potent and potentially harmful a med can be. This has been the norm for many decades.
 

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Well it was the govt. that promoted it as a vaccine. It is simply a shot like a flu shot though we all call that a vaccine.

Even if the covid vaccines were tested for the 6-10 years as is normal, all the potential side effects would still not be3 known. that is standard for all medications.

Every medicine is an experiment on people. doctors weigh the benefits against the potential risks and make decisions that the benefits will outweigh the risks. The more virulent a disease or condition, th emore potent and potentially harmful a med can be. This has been the norm for many decades.

We do disagree, but so far many people are still taking an active role in making their own health decisions.
I am well aware they “changed” the definition of what a Vaccine is, so what they call “the shot” is irrelevant. Sure they administer it as “simply as a shot”,
But nothing is “simple” about changing a humans DNA.
Sure, new meds go through an experimental phase. And a typical medical drug trial, gives the new med to some, and a placebo to others.
Which shot do you think you got in this human experiment?
 

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We do disagree, but so far many people are still taking an active role in making their own health decisions.
I am well aware they “changed” the definition of what a Vaccine is, so what they call “the shot” is irrelevant. Sure they administer it as “simply as a shot”,
But nothing is “simple” about changing a humans DNA.
Sure, new meds go through an experimental phase. And a typical medical drug trial, gives the new med to some, and a placebo to others.
Which shot do you think you got in this human experiment?

Nearly al medications have an effect on our DNA. and the MRNA protocol has been used for over 3 decades now. It does not change our DNA in any permanent way. All it does is create an artificial spike protein of covid 19, so our immune system can attack it and build an immunity. After two weeks teh spike proteini is gone. It is added to our mRNA so will be temporary in nature because our bodies do not recognize that spike as ours.

Not all drugs go through a placebo trial. It depends on the drug. And I got three dosed of the pfizer medication.
 

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Nearly al medications have an effect on our DNA. and the MRNA protocol has been used for over 3 decades now. It does not change our DNA in any permanent way. All it does is create an artificial spike protein of covid 19, so our immune system can attack it and build an immunity. After two weeks teh spike proteini is gone. It is added to our mRNA so will be temporary in nature because our bodies do not recognize that spike as ours.

Not all drugs go through a placebo trial. It depends on the drug. And I got three dosed of the pfizer medication.

MRNA has been “studied” for years. “Used” on the public at large for years? Disagree.
You appear to not consider, the “studies”. For Science to discover, a “fix” for a “possible new virus”, they must have “the new virus” to study the “effectiveness of the fix”. It’s called “experimentation”. Labs collect and store “individual” known “viruses”. Experimentation, of “what if”, this virus was mixed with another virus, and what would happen if “contracted” (or testing by injection into a test subject animal mammal). How to “fix” the negative result? And how would that “supposed” fix, transfer to a human?
....We are CERTAIN, “people of particular professions” are ALL “upstanding”, “honest”....Right? LOL
....There is ABSOLUTELY, “no possibility of humans to TARGET particular other humans”, nor “HUGE amounts of Wealth to be made”...BY releasing Lab “concoctions”. LOL
....And the “concoctions” released? Under the table, as some “mysterious” phantom. LOL
...And the NEWS “head-lines”? Death is at your door-step! The “FIX” is FREE, voluntary....LOL...oops, I mean, “mandatory”!
...The very SAME, (world governments), that support and fund (with the peoples wealth)...Wars, Abortions, Lab concoctions, etc....(all under the “premise” for the “good of saving lives”)...Cause Targeted Deaths.
No Oxymoron in that scenario!
...Every (behind the closed doors) World Governing Powers, Publicly preach the Sanctity and Value of LIFE, while behind the scenes, endlessly collude, support, HOW TO depopulate, the ever growing and projected exponential increasing world population.
...With increase of modern technology, instigating “continual WARS”, has lost its effectiveness to depopulate.
...But, but, but....FEAR and FREEBIES...has NEVER “lost” its “effectiveness” to “entice” a Majority of People TO rush TO the front of the line “TO TAKE” the freebies.
...AND WHEN “a Minority” of People do not “rush to get the offered Freebies”?
Bad mouth, Threaten, Round up, Encamp, Imprison, Separate, Force.

You decided to TAKE the offered “FREEBIES”.... Based on FEAR?
Others decided to TAKE the offered “FREEBIES”...and ARE DEAD!
Appears their “FEAR” of becoming DEAD, uh...FAILED! Oops!
* A true VACCINE, injects a small amount of a Naturally known virus into the body, FOR THE BODY’S IMMUNE SYSTEM TO Operate Fighting OFF the virus, virtually making the BODY’S IMMUNE SYSTEM, its own EFFECTIVE DEFENSE BECOMING IMMUNE to the Virus.
* A Science “RE-invented” Definition of a VACCINE, is to “inject” “biocreated”, proteins, TO “temporarily” attack “the supposed “IF” one contracts the “supposed” virus.
* The Reinvented definition of a VACCINE, is NOT a “FIX” (VAX) to PREVENT the VIRUS, as in a TRUE VAX...but rather, “TREAT” the virus....”temporarily”.
* AND...1. Continually INJECT over and over.
* AND ..2. Hope the Protein “spiking” INJECTIONS...”don’t wander off to other Body Parts, (organs, bones, blood, etc.) and over load them with the “proteins” to Negatively Affect them...
* OR...is #2, a sinister helpful measure for that pesky population issue?
* The “supposed” virus...MUST be REAL. Eh? “They said so”. They have made little “sketches”. They have “named” it. They have “created” “stats”. They have 24-7 daily for over a year publicly reported to “FEAR” this “invisible, named, sketched virus.”
* Have you noticed what WAS headline news FOR YEARS and IS curiously NO longer headline news? The yearly FLU ??
* Have you noticed EVERY respiratory issue DEATH is “classified”, as Covid...?
....(even cancer patients on their death bed, and auto, falls, accidents, etc. classified as Covid caused deaths)...pfff...spiking stats...SEE the numbers rising..? Scary...keep being in FEAR.
* Did you notice the “back page foot notes” ? Numerous people have Contracted...respiratory issues...(like millions do contract “flu” viruses), but all are classified as “COVID”, and they recovered.
* Have you noticed the CDC’s own foot notes? Recovery from “covid” positive tested via a persons OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM, is 95+% ?

Thanks for sharing, You are confident and got your “so called” Vaccine...3 Times now. I’m sure You will be confident to continue “getting the Jab”, for every “new Variant”, that “mysteriously” appears and hits the headlines, (24-7) with “It’s” new name, sketches, fear, additional “shots”.
Just think, How marvelous modern technology is...Before long...that “immune system” God MADE for you to have, will become, “unnecessary”. ;)
Not needed, Not used, No longer working. DEFUNCT!
AND...of course, becoming USED to getting in line for your “shots”...will never be “suspect”...of WHAT exactly “they have decided” to Include in your habitual “shots”...eh?
Already, Lab Manufacturers ... have “solicited” the courts to “get a 50 year “stay” Order, that would make “WHAT IS IN” their “so called vax concoction”, ILLEGAL to release to the Public at Large, for the next 50 years.
Nothing dubious there...! LOL

Anyway...IFY. Fact is: IF you do NOT USE, your own body parts as Designed, they will become atrophied and no longer ABLE to function as designed.
But hail, hail, FREEWILL! I support YOU exercising your FREEWILL to pick and choose what you desire FOR YOURSELF.
I hope YOU are supportive of others who exercise their FREEWILL to rely on their own Immune System and elect NOT to be a Government forced pin cushion.

Glory to God,
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Ahhhh excuses, excuses, excuses
This is how i feel reading through this thread...

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How in the hell are people still trying to justify adverse events, forced injections and all the rest...
God only knows...

Meanwhile... In Germany...

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They mean physically force... Authorities going door to door

https://banned.video/watch?id=61a95b406f7c517f1f7729cd
 
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Satan did not lie to Jesus about what Scripture said. Rather, he applied it in a way not consistent with the Spirit of God.

Thats a very good point... One worth meditating on...
Many people think they will easily see Satans horns and fire but the bible tells us that he masquerades as an angel of light, so trying to spot him can be difficult sometimes... He will present 95% truth just to convey a 5% falsehood...

Now i can see him clearly and his plan to subordinate us... I look at him but he doesn't flee like he does in my personal spiritual war against him... He mocks me... I turn to God asking Him to let me attack but God laughs at me... Its not my theater of spiritual war, He says to me, these things must come to pass, focus on your spiritual war
 
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