Secure Eternal Salvation

[Ferris Bueller]

First of all - the Catholic Church isn't a "denomination"

The instant the Eastern church split away you became a denomination.
Just by definition you are a denomination since there are more than one Christian faiths.
The most you could claim, if it was true, is that you might be the only true denomination among all the Christian denominations.

 

[Cassandra]

Well I pity you and your crippled relationship with God. I hate sin and wish no one ever sins.

But for you I hope god will grant you a season of unbelief, and when that season ends you will see that god never left you , never once stopped loving you as a son and your eternal home stood as secure as when you were actively believing.

I cannot wish you well in this path of philosophy. Though you think so, it is very very unbiblical and leads to many many evils.

Bolds mine.

This is awful.

God loves everyone, disbelief or no.
The thing I find horrible here is that you wish a season of disbelief, so he can see that God never stopped loving him. I bet he kinda figured out that God loved him, no matter what, when he was saved. It is written all over the Bible, which he seems to have a good grasp of.
God loves those who do not inherit the kingdom, too.
Who does the "season of unbelief" hurt? Jesus. Why in the name of God would you want someone to hurt the Lord? This is the whole thing here." If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" Heb 6:6. And you wish this on Ferris, just so you can prove I don't know what.
We want to do His will, because we love Him. It is a relationship of love, or it is no relationship. If we fall, we can go boldly to the throne of grace, but we have to go to the throne to get there. I take it you don't have to.
Just because you mouth the words, "I'm sorry, Lord. forgive me", doesn't mean that if you go goofing around God is still going to save you. You need to be in a daily walk with Christ, not sit on your laurels thinking you are okay, no matter what.
So you don't believe in sanctification, right?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Taught?
All one has to do is read the plain words of the Bible to see the anti-OSAS message.
It's OSAS that has to jump in between the reader and the Bible to make the Bible 'not really' mean what it says.
Do you realize how many times you have to say a passage of scripture 'doesn't really' mean what it says to defend OSAS doctrine?

Wrong again! But that hasn't stopped you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, being arrogant is thinking you are better than others because of your place in Christ and as a result don't have to fear being cut off.

"They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid." Romans 11:20
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Good grief, man, just read the Bible for what it says!

Once again- I will take my own counsel about my own heart instead of trusting you. You really suck at mind reading BTW.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then why did you go to Bible college, lol?

To teach those that wish to be taught and to first learn! YOu don't have to believe me- you deny the word of God so why should I expect you to believe me!

My major advantage over you is that I used to believe one could lose their salvation. Then I dug into Scripture and realize the lie that losing ones salvation is.

I notice y9ou never respond to all the verses that show one cannot lose their salvation. YOu have to keep editing God and put the implied to the dozens of verses (as long as you keep believing).

I hope you are never elevated by God to teach. For if you try to teach this false doctrine to others, that will be a very heavy consequence to be borne by you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Taught?
All one has to do is read the plain words of the Bible to see the anti-OSAS message.
It's OSAS that has to jump in between the reader and the Bible to make the Bible 'not really' mean what it says.
Do you realize how many times you have to say a passage of scripture 'doesn't really' mean what it says to defend OSAS doctrine?

Wrong again! No! I never said that a verse doesn't mean what it says. It is you who twist the verses because you just stay in teh English and do not bother to study to show yourself approved.

You ignore context, language, form and structure.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hey, if you don't need good spelling, I don't need good grammar!

But anyway, you need to understand that the person who stops believing no longer belongs to Christ that he should have some kind of obligation to not deny them. They are no longer a part of himself for him to not be able to deny them. 1 John 2:24-25 2 John 1:9

How infantile of you!!!! I suppose if others jump off a bridge you will too? My poor spelling is due to severe arthritis! Your abuse of grammar is due to intellectual laziness.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Bolds mine.

This is awful.

God loves everyone, disbelief or no.
The thing I find horrible here is that you wish a season of disbelief, so he can see that God never stopped loving him. I bet he kinda figured out that God loved him, no matter what, when he was saved. It is written all over the Bible, which he seems to have a good grasp of.
God loves those who do not inherit the kingdom, too.
Who does the "season of unbelief" hurt? Jesus. Why in the name of God would you want someone to hurt the Lord? This is the whole thing here." If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" Heb 6:6. And you wish this on Ferris, just so you can prove I don't know what.
We want to do His will, because we love Him. It is a relationship of love, or it is no relationship. If we fall, we can go boldly to the throne of grace, but we have to go to the throne to get there. I take it you don't have to.
Just because you mouth the words, "I'm sorry, Lord. forgive me", doesn't mean that if you go goofing around God is still going to save you. You need to be in a daily walk with Christ, not sit on your laurels thinking you are okay, no matter what.
So you don't believe in sanctification, right?

It is awful, I fully agree! But believing and God forbid teaching others that they can lose their salvation is a far worse crime against the precious blood shed for us. I would prefer that one who holds this belief falls into a season of unbelief, then when they recover, find out God 's love never left them and their sonship is still as secure as ever!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God loves those who do not inherit the kingdom, too.

John 3:36 disagrees with you. God already knows everyone who is or will be saved! tbhe rest have His wrath abiding on them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who does the "season of unbelief" hurt? Jesus. Why in the name of God would you want someone to hurt the Lord?

This is incorrect. Sin only hurts us, never the Lord!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

" If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" Heb 6:6. And you wish this on Ferris, just so you can prove I don't know what.

Just like Ferris, you need to learn the who and the why this was written. It was never written for Gentiles. All Scripture is equally inspired of God, but not all Scripture is equally applicable to all people.

 

[Cassandra]

This is incorrect. Sin only hurts us, never the Lord!

Oh Yes it does.! What are you thinking?

 

[Cassandra]

Just like Ferris, you need to learn the who and the why this was written. It was never written for Gentiles. All Scripture is equally inspired of God, but not all Scripture is equally applicable to all people.

And you know this how?
2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Cassandra]

John 3:36 disagrees with you. God already knows everyone who is or will be saved! tbhe rest have His wrath abiding on them.

There you go.
John 3:36 " He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him"

So if you are in a period of unbelief you will not be obeying the Lord. This verse says that person will not receive life. He gets God's wrath.

So that verse does not say what you think it says.

Sorry, not a winner. Thanks for playing.

 

[amadeus]

Oh Yes it does.! What are you thinking?

"Jesus wept" John 11:35

He was, I believe, weeping for more than the death of Lazarus!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That's NOT the unity of the ONE Body of Christ (John 17:20-23).
That's utter chaos . . .

Here's the unity of the body of Christ that Jesus prayed for - "I in them":

"that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us..." John 17:21
"...so that they may be one as We are one— I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united" John 17:22-23
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"I in them". That's how we are unified. That prayer got answered when the Holy Spirit was sent into the world to indwell each person who believes. And so, all believers, individually, spread out to the four corners of the world are unified in Christ and each other by virtue of the indwelling of the one Holy Spirit, not by virtue of a one world church institution.

Meanwhile, practical, outward unity of the brethren in the Spirit is achieved by being at peace with one another, not by unity of doctrine.

"...the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:3​

Unity of doctrine can't happen, and won't happen in this life, because we're all at different levels of personal growth:

"...until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ." Ephesians 4:13​

The simple fact that there are always those still learning and maturing to the full measure of Christ shows us that unity of doctrine is not possible in this life. Not that God doesn't want us in unity of doctrine:

"I appeal to you, brothers...that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction." 1 Corinthians 1:10
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But that happens, individually, over time, as each of us grow in knowledge and understanding, not by virtue of attending a unifying, one and only approved institution as the Catholics insist. Your unity of the true people of God in an institutional entity of priests and doctrine is not Biblical. That's not what the unity of the body of Christ is! Our unity is through the Spirit in the bond of peace as each of us in the disunity of our doctrines are growing up into unity of faith and knowledge.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What a ridiculously shallow understanding of Christ's Church and what it means to be "called out".

To be part of Christ's Church and to be "called out" requires obedience - which is ALL part of what "Faith" is:
- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- Suffering with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)
- And YES - going to Church (Heb. 10:25).

"...the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" Romans 4:6​

"Righteousness apart from works"...the Kryptonite of the Catholic church.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And as usual - you DODGED the question.
I asked you if you reject the idea that the Scriptures are our SOLE Authority.

I dodged nothing (the absence of your exegesis of Hebrews 6:4-6, now that's a dodge, lol).
The word of God is not just black and white words by itself.
The word of God includes the voice of the Holy Spirit explaining and expounding on the written word through the gifts of wisdom and discernment given to various believers in the body of Christ.

Now, about that Hebrews 6:4-6 exegesis you owe me...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

John 3:36 " He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him"

So if you are in a period of unbelief you will not be obeying the Lord. This verse says that person will not receive life. He gets God's wrath.

OSAS: "It doesn't really mean what it says."

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ans apparently YOU don't because you "believe" that His Church went into apostasy...

I believe Biblical prophecy was fulfilled, and is, being fulfilled.
Apparently, you don't.

28Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God,g which He purchased with His own blood.h 29I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30​

We know from history that the institution of the Catholic church was the beginning of the fulfillment of Paul's prophecy.

...thereby nullifying His promise that it wouldn't (Matt. 16:18).

The promise of an overcoming church does not get nullified just because the outward religious organizations of man, including yours, are corrupt and lead many astray. Because as I said, the church is composed of individual believers, and is not a religious institution. There are those believers who did keep believing, and they were preserved despite all the corruption of men drawing people off into their corrupt systems of 'religion'. Just as true believers today will be preserved if they keep believing and resist these corrupt institutions.