Why was there a reformation?

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As has been noted on this forum, we’ve got almost as many different beliefs as there are people it seems, and the question that came up about today being Reformation Day, has been why did the Reformation happen??

its quite simple actually, people teaching the gospel without knowing the gospel. As a result, you end up with an ever changing gospel. We see this in galatians 1:6.

i thought some fellow presbyterians might be able to answer this question much better than me though. Enjoy and learn.
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Nah... that Galatians 1:6 verse was not about any such idea that people strayed from The Gospel because they didn't know what The Gospel was. That idea is crazy!

What Apostle Paul was having to deal with were JEWISH CONVERTS TO CHRIST that were trying to get believing Gentiles to conform to JEWISH TRADITIONS linked with the 'old covenant', like being flesh circumcised and law keeping to be saved in Christ.

Gal 5:1-12
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
KJV


In that verse 12 above, per the Greek, it has a word that points to the privy parts. Paul was actually saying, in anger, he wished their private parts were 'cut off' because of the trouble they stirred among the Galatians involving flesh circumcision!

Thus the keeping of the law to be in Christ is the CONFUSION those Jewish converts were spreading among the Gentile Galatians, that... being the "leaven" they were ADDING to The Gospel. It was not because the Galatians were ignorant of what Paul and the Apostles taught about The Gospel. It was about being persuaded by MEN'S DOCTRINES added... to The Gospel, a matter Lord Jesus warned His disciples and us about in Mark 8:15-21.

In Mark 8:15-21, Lord Jesus warned about the leaven of the Pharisees, and of king Herod (an Idumean). His disciples thought He was saying that because they didn't bring bread (literal bread to eat). Jesus then had to remind them that when He broke the five loaves, how many baskets of 'fragments' did they gather up afterwards? They said 12 baskets. The meaning is this. Five in Biblical numerics represents grace. The five loaves, whole going out, represents The Gospel going out to the five thousand. The baskets of fragments leftover were much more than what went out. Thus the 12 baskets of fragments represents MEN'S LEAVEN DOCTRINES added. Jesus was saying to beware of that kind of working.

So when men use A SINGLE VERSE to create a whole doctrinal movement, taking the verse out of the Scripture context, that's a sign of the leaven. It's important to always... verify the meaning of a verse WITHIN ITS BIBLICAL CONTEXT.
 

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Nah... that Galatians 1:6 verse was not about any such idea that people strayed from The Gospel because they didn't know what The Gospel was. That idea is crazy!

What Apostle Paul was having to deal with were JEWISH CONVERTS TO CHRIST that were trying to get believing Gentiles to conform to JEWISH TRADITIONS linked with the 'old covenant', like being flesh circumcised and law keeping to be saved in Christ.

Gal 5:1-12
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
KJV


In that verse 12 above, per the Greek, it has a word that points to the privy parts. Paul was actually saying, in anger, he wished their private parts were 'cut off' because of the trouble they stirred among the Galatians involving flesh circumcision!

Thus the keeping of the law to be in Christ is the CONFUSION those Jewish converts were spreading among the Gentile Galatians, that... being the "leaven" they were ADDING to The Gospel. It was not because the Galatians were ignorant of what Paul and the Apostles taught about The Gospel. It was about being persuaded by MEN'S DOCTRINES added... to The Gospel, a matter Lord Jesus warned His disciples and us about in Mark 8:15-21.

In Mark 8:15-21, Lord Jesus warned about the leaven of the Pharisees, and of king Herod (an Idumean). His disciples thought He was saying that because they didn't bring bread (literal bread to eat). Jesus then had to remind them that when He broke the five loaves, how many baskets of 'fragments' did they gather up afterwards? They said 12 baskets. The meaning is this. Five in Biblical numerics represents grace. The five loaves, whole going out, represents The Gospel going out to the five thousand. The baskets of fragments leftover were much more than what went out. Thus the 12 baskets of fragments represents MEN'S LEAVEN DOCTRINES added. Jesus was saying to beware of that kind of working.

So when men use A SINGLE VERSE to create a whole doctrinal movement, taking the verse out of the Scripture context, that's a sign of the leaven. It's important to always... verify the meaning of a verse WITHIN ITS BIBLICAL CONTEXT.

All scripture is inspired!
Ain’t nothing about context?
Who decides context?
How does context make Jesus not the way the truth and the life in Jn 14:6???
 

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DIY religion!

Nowhere does the Bible say to read and make doctrine for yourself?

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Eph 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Saul was persecuting the church, and Christ said “why persecute me”? Acts 9:4

Rebellion and rejection of the church or apostles or council or teaching of church or apostles or council is rebellion and rejection of Christ!

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Jn 15:1-5 Christ united to his apostles (the church) bearing fruit! (The salvation of souls)

The church and the apostles exist by his commands and authority! Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23

An attack on the church is an attack on Christ!

There is an unbreakable union between Christ and His Holy Church!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Gates of hell shall NOT PREVAIL!

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4 Jn 20:21-23

Eph 5: 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Prophecy of the new covenant church fulfilled in the apostles union with Christ!

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18
matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Isa 22:21-22
eph 2:20

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ...

The church is the ark of salvation, to attack the church is to attack salvation!

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10





but the church is an extension of Christ

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Saul was persecuting the church, and Christ said “why persecute me”? Acts 9:4

Rebellion and rejection of the church or apostles or council or teaching of church or apostles or council is rebellion and rejection of Christ!

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The church and the apostles exist by his commands and authority! Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 20:21-23

An attack on the church is an attack on Christ!

There is an unbreakable union between Christ and His Holy Church!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Gates of hell shall NOT PREVAIL!

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one, what Christ did the church continues to do, the church is an extension of Christ!
To attack the church is to attack Christ!
Acts 9:4 Jn 20:21-23


Eph 5: 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
I don't make doctrine for myself, nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship Mary as a Goddess either, or other Saints, just God through Jesus Christ.
 

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I don't make doctrine for myself, nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship Mary as a Goddess either, or other Saints, just God through Jesus Christ.

and we agree only God may be worshiped and adored

Defending her dogmas is not worship

Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17
 

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I don't make doctrine for myself, nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship Mary as a Goddess either, or other Saints, just God through Jesus Christ.
@JohnPaul It's so good to be really open to what God's Word teaches about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and the work of the Lord Jesus at the Cross.
 

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As has been noted on this forum, we’ve got almost as many different beliefs as there are people it seems, and the question that came up about today being Reformation Day, has been why did the Reformation happen??

its quite simple actually, people teaching the gospel without knowing the gospel. As a result, you end up with an ever changing gospel. We see this in galatians 1:6.

i thought some fellow presbyterians might be able to answer this question much better than me though. Enjoy and learn.

The post #2 is enlightening.
No Catholic seethes with hatred for Christians.
They don't waste their time despising a community of people who are not Catholic and then lie and claim their motive for their seething hatred is love of truth.

They hate. They assail, personally attack, Protestants. Over and over again. Not because they're Catholic. They're not.
But because they want to show their hate for Christians.

And be compensated for their sick obsession by thinking that their obsession will cause Christians who read them to hate Catholics due to that one person's example when they claim to be a Catholic.

We're witnessing mental illness. Obsessive compulsive disorder expressing itself as an anti-Christia, anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic, Troll!

I know Catholic people. They don't care that Protestants exist outside the church. They're assured in their faith and leave it at that.

What expresses itself on these boards isn't a Catholic.
They're sins. Repeatedly and in malice.
A real Catholic wouldn't behave that way because the confessional guarantees it.
A real Catholic doesn't repeat the sins of malice hatred for Protestants, confess, as is requisite, and repeat the sins they'll have to confess again, and again.

We feed that sin when we respond to the sin filled bait.
 
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The post #2 is enlightening.
No Catholic seethes with hatred for Christians.
They don't waste their time despising a community of people who are not Catholic and then lie and claim their motive for their seething hatred is love of truth.

They hate. They assail, personally attack, Protestants. Over and over again. Not because they're Catholic. They're not.
But because they want to show their hate for Christians.

And be compensated for their sick obsession by thinking that their obsession will cause Christians who read them to hate Catholics due to that one person's example when they claim to be a Catholic.

We're witnessing mental illness. Obsessive compulsive disorder expressing itself as an anti-Christia, anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic, Troll!

I know Catholic people. They don't care that Protestants exist outside the church. They're assured in their faith and leave it at that.

What expresses itself on these boards isn't a Catholic.
They're sins. Repeatedly and in malice.
A real Catholic wouldn't behave that way because the confessional guarantees it.
A real Catholic doesn't repeat the sins of malice hatred for Protestants, confess, as is requisite, and repeat the sins they'll have to confess again, and again.

We feed that sin when we respond to the sin filled bait.
Great post, Why not embrace all faiths that believe in Christ as the son of God?

After all are we not all Christian despite the title? I’ve seen seething hatred towards Jehova’s Witnesses and Mormons too.

We should focus on God the Father and Jesus Christ his only begotten son and we’d all find a common ground.
 
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The post #2 is enlightening.
No Catholic seethes with hatred for Christians.
They don't waste their time despising a community of people who are not Catholic and then lie and claim their motive for their seething hatred is love of truth.

They hate. They assail, personally attack, Protestants. Over and over again. Not because they're Catholic. They're not.
But because they want to show their hate for Christians.

And be compensated for their sick obsession by thinking that their obsession will cause Christians who read them to hate Catholics due to that one person's example when they claim to be a Catholic.

We're witnessing mental illness. Obsessive compulsive disorder expressing itself as an anti-Christia, anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic, Troll!

I know Catholic people. They don't care that Protestants exist outside the church. They're assured in their faith and leave it at that.

What expresses itself on these boards isn't a Catholic.
They're sins. Repeatedly and in malice.
A real Catholic wouldn't behave that way because the confessional guarantees it.
A real Catholic doesn't repeat the sins of malice hatred for Protestants, confess, as is requisite, and repeat the sins they'll have to confess again, and again.

We feed that sin when we respond to the sin filled bait.

you too are free to enter the new covenant church by baptism

there’s more of you than us
Feel free to defend you’re new gospel
Go for it
I’ll read whatever you want to send me and answer any questions
Go for it
 

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baptism doesnt save.

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)


Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by faith alone! Rom 13:11

God says baptism! Ez 36:25:27
Jesus Christ says baptism! Mk 16:16
Peter says baptism! Acts 3:38 1 Pet 3:21
Paul say baptism! 1 cor 1:16 1 cor 12:13
The apostles say baptism! Acts 2:38 acts 8:36-38
For 2000 yrs the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always taught baptism per matt 28:19

Eph 4: 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Ez 36:25-27 promise of justification by washing away sins by virtue the merits of Christ blood, sanctified by the grace of God, given a new heart of love by the Holy Spirit!


Acts 8
Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch!

Obviously Philip preached “FACAGA”
Faith alone Christ alone grace alone

How did the eunuch know about baptism?

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
 

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How can a simple man like me know the truth and all you Bible scholars not?

Jesus Christ is the son of God, not God himself, one needn’t be a clock maker to be able to tell time.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I will die for him if necessary but to speak such blasphemies as many of you speak I cannot understand for God almighty created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in between and sent his son here in human form to save us from eternal sin so that those of us who believe in him and that he is the only begotten son of God, shall have ever lasting life and not perish, the son of God, Jesus Christ is the Son of God our Savior who shall return as the Lion, it’s pretty simple, Jesus never claimed to be God but referred to God as his father, pretty simple if you ask me.
 

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How can a simple man like me know the truth and all you Bible scholars not?

Jesus Christ is the son of God, not God himself, one needn’t be a clock maker to be able to tell time.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I will die for him if necessary but to speak such blasphemies as many of you speak I cannot understand for God almighty created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in between and sent his son here in human form to save us from eternal sin so that those of us who believe in him and that he is the only begotten son of God, shall have ever lasting life and not perish, the son of God, Jesus Christ is the Son of God our Savior who shall return as the Lion, it’s pretty simple, Jesus never claimed to be God but referred to God as his father, pretty simple if you ask me.

you forgot the necessity of Christian baptism
Christ and his church are required for salvation

are you denying the divinity of Christ or the holy trinity?
 

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There are many different beliefs because there are many different persons in the world. We aren’t clones.

And there will forever continue to be thus, even if we were to live in a theocracy where all other views were visablly suppressed ( which would just hide the other views).

Exactly. The bickering over doctrine would be funny if people weren't so hateful over it.
 
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you forgot the necessity of Christian baptism
Christ and his church are required for salvation

are you denying the divinity of Christ or the holy trinity?
I would never deny the divinity of Christ, I would rather die an excruciating death than deny our Lord. You forget me and who I was, I’ve been baptized in your Church!
 
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Peter is head of the church on earth and administers the kingdom

Saying it over and over again does not make is true. Where is your Scriptural evidence?

Read about Joseph under pharaoh
His brother obeyed him and his authority

You are comparing a State official AS EQUAL to a member of body of Christ?
 

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How can a simple man like me know the truth and all you Bible scholars not?

Jesus Christ is the son of God, not God himself, one needn’t be a clock maker to be able to tell time.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I will die for him if necessary but to speak such blasphemies as many of you speak I cannot understand for God almighty created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in between and sent his son here in human form to save us from eternal sin so that those of us who believe in him and that he is the only begotten son of God, shall have ever lasting life and not perish, the son of God, Jesus Christ is the Son of God our Savior who shall return as the Lion, it’s pretty simple, Jesus never claimed to be God but referred to God as his father, pretty simple if you ask me.

and yet, another Unitarian. Wow, you scatter one and they all tun out.
The Trinity is Biblical and its theme runs through the NT. In john 10:30, Jesus said “I and the Father are one.”
This link will help you out.
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org
 

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The Trinity is Biblical and its theme runs through the NT.

Totally untrue on both counts. "The trinity is Biblical" goes against the fact that the trinity is not actually in the Bible. The Bible's themes are explicit in every Epistle's prologue; Father (who is Sprit and whose Spirit is Holy) and his (adopted) Son.
 
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and yet, another Unitarian. Wow, you scatter one and they all tun out.
The Trinity is Biblical and its theme runs through the NT. In john 10:30, Jesus said “I and the Father are one.”
This link will help you out.
Is Jesus God? Why should I believe that Jesus is God? | GotQuestions.org
Unitarian? I believe in God Almighty and Jesus Christ his only begotten son, how am I a Unitarian? It’s more like most of the members on here are Unitarians, you all believe Gid, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, that sounds more like Unitarianism to me.
 

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Why was there a re-formation?
Because its Antonym insuled Jesus mission and purpose.

13 opposites of reformation confiscation, recession, degenerate, ruin , digress downturn, relapse, slide, slight change, deterioration, ruining, scatter, worsening.

There is a chat site dedicated to Christianity that bans anyone who speaks of the heresy of monotheism and against tritheism, aka Trinity.

Some say Christ don't return till the church is united, one mind.
If that were true the Devil has certainly insured that day would never come.

Just look at any CF. Division, bickering, trolling, mockery, blasphemy.

What's worse? The world isn't a better place these 2000+ years A.D.
 

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Unitarian? I believe in God Almighty and Jesus Christ his only begotten son, how am I a Unitarian? It’s more like most of the members on here are Unitarians, you all believe Gid, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, that sounds more like Unitarianism to me.

oh wow. Ok, lets just start back at the beginning. Hey, its gonna be ok. So a unitarian believes that God the Father alone is God. So i am a presbyterian, and we believe in the Trinity. The Trinity is one God in three separate persons.
So heres another link which will help you understand what the Trinity is.
What does the Bible teach about the Trinity? | GotQuestions.org