A Fist Full of Doubt's

[2bme]

Doubt is something that is a natural enemy to the believer, especially within a group of believer's. Because a little doubt can deflate the whole souffle of your faith. There were times in my Christian belief I was unsure about the history of the biblical accounts, and the only answer offered to quell those doubts went like this

"Why would the apostles die for a lie"

That answer really made me think about how seriously these followers of Jesus must of been. That seemed to combat those doubt's on some level, but it also blindsided me probing any further. Now I have distance from ye old faith, I see now that answer to the historical reliability of Jesus was really never enough.

If I died for my faith in Jesus, it doesn't benifit anyone else in the end but me. Sure I could die for someone on the earth for the sake of love, but ultimately it means nothing. My death would mostly advance Christianity in some way, promote Jesus. But how does dying for the sake of my belief help the course of history for creating vaccine's or cleaner fuels?

Yeah, that's where I'm at now.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Doubt is something that is a natural enemy to the believer,

There is nothing wrong with doubt, so long as one is looking for answers.

There is plenty of historical evidence for the truth of Christianity, we just have to know it and believe it.

 

[2bme]

There is nothing wrong with doubt, so long as one is looking for answers.

There is plenty of historical evidence for the truth of Christianity, we just have to know it and believe it.

That's not true. You know doubt within religion is met with scorn, and ridicule. Real answers to real questions are not dependent on believing more and more.

 

[marks]

Doubt is something that is a natural enemy to the believer, especially within a group of believer's. Because a little doubt can deflate the whole souffle of your faith. There were times in my Christian faith I was unsure about the facts around the biblical accounts, and the overall answer that was offered to quell those historical doubts was "Why would the apostles die for a lie"

That answer really made me think about how seriously these followers of Jesus must of been. That seemed to combat those doubt's on some level, but it also blindsided me probing any further. Now I have distance from ye old faith, I see now that answer to the historical reliability of Jesus was really never enough.

If I died for my faith in Jesus, it doesn't benifit anyone else in the end but me. Sure I could die for someone on the earth for the sake of love, but ultimately it means nothing. My death would mostly advance Christianity in some way, promote Jesus. But how does dying for the sake of my belief help the course of history for creating vaccine's or cleaner fuels?

Yeah, that's where I'm at now.

To me, the point in saying that the discipled died for their testimony of Jesus Christ is to say that these men truly believed, and they were there, eyewitnesses. The eyewitnesses were so convinced they were unwilling to repudiate their belief even to death.

Those of us who wonder if this is true can reflect on the certainty they had.

Much love!

 

[2bme]

To me, the point in saying that the discipled died for their testimony of Jesus Christ is to say that these men truly believed, and they were there, eyewitnesses. The eyewitnesses were so convinced they were unwilling to repudiate their belief even to death.

Those of us who wonder if this is true can reflect on the certainty they had.

Much love!

Why would they believe in something they witnessed by their own eye's.

 

[Abaxvahl]

If I died for my faith in Jesus, it doesn't benifit anyone else in the end but me. Sure I could die for someone on the earth for the sake of love, but ultimately it means nothing. My death would mostly advance Christianity in some way, promote Jesus. But how does dying for the sake of my belief help the course of history for creating vaccine's or cleaner fuels?

Graces given to others, at least in the Christian worldview. Every grace won helps the whole body, every sin harms the whole as well. It's the same reason why the prayers of one holy monk are better than the many acts of millions of people. If you're not in the faith (which you in particular are not) I can see why you'd think it doesn't matter and only benefits yourself. But Christianity is inherently collectivistic, and no one is saved alone to us, and no martyr is alone.

 

[2bme]

Graces given to others, at least in the Christian worldview. Every grace won helps the whole body, every sin harms the whole as well. It's the same reason why the prayers of one holy monk are better than the many acts of millions of people. If you're not in the faith (which you in particular are not) I can see why you'd think it doesn't matter and only benefits yourself. But Christianity is inherently collectivistic, and no one is saved alone to us, and no martyr is alone.

I'm not busting my brain over this.

 

[marks]

Why would they believe in something they witnessed by their own eye's.

Why not? Don't we all do that routinely?

Much love!

 

[2bme]

Why not? Don't we all do that routinely?

Much love!

I don't know any situation where I'd believe someone is real if I have previously seen them.

 

[marks]

I don't know any situation where I'd believe someone is real if I have previously seen them.

Have you seen "A Beautiful Mind"? With Russell Crowe?

Much love!

 

[2bme]

Have you seen "A Beautiful Mind"? With Russel Crowe?

Much love!

Have I ever!

 

[2bme]

 

[Mantis]

I am so confused. So you would not believe someone existed if you saw them? Jesus spoke to me. That’s why I believe in him. Nothing any human did made me believe in him. But you wouldn’t believe him if you saw him?

I don't know any situation where I'd believe someone is real if I have previously seen them.

 

[Enoch111]

You know doubt within religion is met with scorn, and ridicule.

Well since Christianity is based upon faith, is it any wonder? Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (John 20:21)

As to "religion" there are all kinds of other religions which seek to cause doubt about the truth of Christ.

 

[marks]

I am so confused. So you would not believe someone existed if you saw them? Jesus spoke to me. That’s why I believe in him. Nothing any human did made me believe in him. But you wouldn’t believe him if you saw him?

There was a time I'd have made a similar statement. But once I found the Bible prophecies, I realized there was something that actually IS from outside this continuum.

But in fact, none of that would have meant anything if God were not making Himself known to me at the same time.

Much love!

 

[2bme]

I am so confused. So you would not believe someone existed if you saw them? Jesus spoke to me. That’s why I believe in him. Nothing any human did made me believe in him. But you wouldn’t believe him if you saw him?

No I wouldn't believe that someone existed if I had met them previously.

 

[marks]

No I wouldn't believe that someone existed if I had met them previously.

Why would you believe someone existed even at the first meeting?

(Do I exist?)

Much love!

 

[2bme]

Well since Christianity is based upon faith, is it any wonder? Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (John 20:21)

As to "religion" there are all kinds of other religions which seek to cause doubt about the truth of Christ.

Do you know that all religion's have one thing in common. That you must believe.

 

[2bme]

Why would you believe someone existed even at the first meeting?

(Do I exist?)

Much love!

Of course you don't exist, you're really a cat that is having a dream of being a human.

 

[marks]

Of course you don't exist, you're really a cat that is having a dream of being a human.

I think what my cat dreams is redefining what my "bird feeder" is.

Much love!