Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BarneyFife]

If you start hanging around real Christians in small non-denominational churches you will not be subjected to the legalism of the unsaved in the major denominations. Try it. You'll find humble, level-headed, Spirit filled people there to fellowship with. Not perfect people. But real people of God who know the falseness of, both, legalism and Hyper Grace theology.

I gotta say, FB, this is a little surprising, if not disappointing. I once read from research by the (reputable) Barna Group that benevolent altruism and/or consecration rates were similar among nearly all people groups, small, large, religious, or otherwise. In other words, human nature is the same everywhere. It sounds a lot like you're blaming large denominations for true legalism, which is extremely rare anywhere. Small, non-denominal churches do not have a monopoly on the fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit is drawing people right now who've never even heard the name "Jesus." And I'm not saying all religions and philosophies are correct or headed toward the same goal.

Nearly all of what people like to call "legalism' is actually just people trying to justify their own actions to themselves and other people. Let's face it: They're not fooling God. People who are extremely scrupulous to the detriment of others generally don't have any kind of devotional life or personal relationship with Jesus. It's usually quite evident. And it's the essence of self-righteousness. :) We're still pals, right? ;)

 

[marks]

I maintain that Legalists like you are “ Fallen From Grace”.....

Certainly not relying on grace!

Self reliance is delusion, in my opinion.

Much love!

 

[Truman]

That the heart is just wild is one of the wildest, and potentially most harmful heresies that I've ever heard!

 

[BarneyFife]

I would never sink so low as to call you a “ hypocrite”

Except for right here:

stop being the REAL “ hypocrite”

 

[BarneyFife]

“We ALL Stumble”......James

“The Sin That SO EASILY besets us”

“ If we sin, we have an Advocate for our sins”

God's entire plan of Chastisement for wayward Believers would be a complete waste of time if His Children did not commit sins.....get real....

You can't get any more real than the red letters, my friend.

 

[marks]

Living in sin is unbelief

No it's not.

You may be believing, and in process. The renewing of the mind.

You base everything on a false equivalency.

And you don't care that this is so. This informs me.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Empty and meaningless label that serves only to be dismissive.

I don't want *ANYBODY* to attach that False Label to me ! I have warned people about this previously ! Over and Over! Now STOP IT ! I do NOT believe in “ Hyper Grace!” I believe in * SUPER* Hyper Grace !!! Please respect my wishes and and label me properly in the future.... Thanking you in advance.....BB.....( the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, Covered by God’s Amazing Grace, Simply because I give Him what He wants—- TRUST! I supply the Trust and He takes care of my Behavior- a thing that constantly improves without my even trying ......not that it counts for my Salvation ( that was a “ gift” I received by Believing in Jesus and His Gospel ) , But God has “ cleaned up my act” much more that this audience could appreciate .....you think I’m bad now? Lol.....you should have seen me 50 years ago before I turned to God , asked for Forgiveness and got His Spirit in me.....All I ever did was “ turn” (The True Repentance required for Salvation) to Him and He did the rest....He still has a little way to go with me, Believe it or not .....lol......

 

[marks]

You can't get any more real than the red letters, my friend.

They are ALL the Words of Christ.

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

Sorry, but these days I tend to “ gloss over” the majority of the posts from certain poorly taught and confused souls....Ive developed a low- tolerance for the pablum spewed from religionists....why read stuff that just turns out to be another variation of “ Jesus Saves—- BUT!”.......If you’ve seen “ one” Gospel Perversion, you’ve seen them all.....My thinking is always , “what do Newbies need to hear that will help rescue them from the Legalistic Chains that you guys want to wrap them in....” I don’t talk “ TO” you guys—— I talk “ Past” you.....”Time’s a- wasting....”. I hope my grammar arose to your standards......lol.....

So why does the Bible have approximately 3/4 million words for us to read? This is what I can't figure out. People all have their pet verses and doctrines and many act like nothing else matters when Jesus says we must live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. :

 

[marks]

I don't want *ANYBODY* to attach that False Label to me ! I have warned people about this previously ! Over and Over! Now STOP IT ! I do NOT believe in “ Hyper Grace!” I believe in * SUPER* Hyper Grace !!! Please respect my wishes and and label me properly in the future.... Thanking you in advance.....BB.....( the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, Covered by God’s Amazing Grace, Simply because I give Him what He wants—- TRUST! I supply the Trust and He takes care of my Behavior- a thing that constantly improves without my even trying ......not that it counts for my Salvation ( that was a “ gift” I received by Believing in Jesus and His Gospel ) , But God has “ cleaned up my act” much more that this audience could appreciate .....you think I’m bad now? Lol.....you should have seen me 50 years ago before I turned to God , asked for Forgiveness and got His Spirit in me.....All I ever did was “ turn” (The True Repentance required for Salvation) to Him and He did the rest....He still has a little way to go with me, Believe it or not .....lol......

Just saying Grace. Unless you want to diminish what Grace is, it's hyper. Total. Complete.

It's what I don't understand, that others don't undertstand, we are reconciled by Christ, not ourselves!

Much love!

 

[Addy]

I don't want *ANYBODY* to attach that False Label to me ! I have warned people about this previously ! Over and Over! Now STOP IT ! I do NOT believe in “ Hyper Grace!” I believe in * SUPER* Hyper Grace !!! Please respect my wishes and and label me properly in the future.... Thanking you in advance.....BB.....( the True “ Chief Of Sinners”, Covered by God’s Amazing Grace, Simply because I give Him what He wants—- TRUST! I supply the Trust and He takes care of my Behavior- a thing that constantly improves without my even trying ......not that it counts for my Salvation ( that was a “ gift” I received by Believing in Jesus and His Gospel ) , But God has “ cleaned up my act” much more that this audience could appreciate .....you think I’m bad now? Lol.....you should have seen me 50 years ago before I turned to God , asked for Forgiveness and got His Spirit in me.....All I ever did was “ turn” (The True Repentance required for Salvation) to Him and He did the rest....He still has a little way to go with me, Believe it or not .....lol......

I can't follow this thread anymore because well... basically everyone is blocked... which makes the flow of conversation a bit strained... However I am enjoying the peace and quiet... and BB... it just makes it look like you are TALKING to yourself... It took me awhile to realize what was happening.... as I was wondering why you were just talking and NOT quoting anyone.... HOWEVER... when someone gets blocked... EVERYTHING about them disappears.... including when someone quotes them....

 

[BarneyFife]

No it's not.

You may be believing, and in process. The renewing of the mind.

You base everything on a false equivalency.

And you don't care that this is so. This informs me.

Much love!

Yes it is. :)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You can't get any more real than the red letters, my friend.

After Jesus ascended back to Heaven , He used Paul as His Mouthpiece.....we have been ORDERED to follow Paul now, as Paul followed Jesus.....Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles.....Paul said NOTHING that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.....Paul’s Words could very easily be printed in Red....they SHOULD be.....

 

[BarneyFife]

I have warned people about this previously !

That's where you draw the line, eh?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

How did you gloss right over the emboldened part of my post then? You got all judgmental, but if you would have just read and comprehended that part you would not have posted what you did. You passed it right over. How is that an ad hominem attack?

I feel no obligation to answer your specific question and/or accusations ....there is nothing you say that I have not seen before and responded to before....I do gloss over your posts....I have so many things to respond to....and these responses don’t see the light of day unless it’s something I want a Newbie to see.....no disrespect intended , but I DO talk “ past” you — not “ TO” you, most of the time ....sorry...

 

[BarneyFife]

After Jesus ascended back to Heaven , He used Paul as His Mouthpiece.....we have been ORDERED to follow Paul now, as Paul followed Jesus.....Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles.....Paul said NOTHING that was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.....Paul’s Words could very easily be printed in Red....they SHOULD be.....

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Hebrews 1:2)

 

[BarneyFife]

Paul’s Words could very easily be printed in Red....they SHOULD be.....

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you type faster than you can think, BB. :)

 

[Addy]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you type faster than you can think, BB. :)

I think he might actually RESEMBLE that comment.... OOOPS.... Did I say that out loud. LOL
Barny... I don't think you and I agree on things here... but I do like you... ( which I suppose means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things )... but I just had to say it...

 

[marks]

Yes it is. :)

But it's not. Unbelief = unbelief.

Are you saying that there are NO Christians with repetative sins? Christians who have not yet broken free from habitual sins? Sins that arise out of mental disorders?

OK. Are we talking about adultery and murder, or snippiness and scoffing? Or, like me, all of it?

I read post after post after post, I sit here for hours reading posts. All these people who say they are oh so righteous, and they snip and snipe and provoke and misrepresent (a nicer word for lie), and ridicule and all that rot, day in and day out, but NO, they don't "live in sin"! That's what OTHERS do.

I'm not fooled.

Much love!

 

[Grailhunter]

@Blood Bought 1953
Awww! You think you are being abused? God love ya!
How about all the people that listen to you and do not clean up their act and by your testimony are lead to hell!
I going to try to nail you down here...but we know how that is going to turn out.
So are you saying that someone that believes in Christ can commit all manner of sin...lifelong...lifestyle can go to heaven?
Homosexuals
drug users
abortionists
murderers
child molesters
rapists
etc

Are we going to spend eternity with these people in heaven?