Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BloodBought 1953]

Who are these people??? Those who are living unrepentant lifestyles?? And I think you know me well enough to understand that I will speak frankly but that I do RESPECT you... and I even LIKE you.... Shhhh.... Don't tell BB....

What is the determining factor of such a person?? I don't understand where these CHRISTIANS are located...

I like Ferris also......he is my favorite “ Springboard” to get Paul’s True Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there.....I can’t change” him”..... I don’t try....I talk “ past” him and get a treasure-trove of great teaching out there for the Newbies that his ilk has not gotten to and ruined yet.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No. But I wouldn't consider them born again, even if they claimed to be.

And as far as the 'gay' issue goes. The temptation to engage in homosexual acts is not a sin in and of itself. Acting on it is. I know there are people who are tempted by same sex attraction and I don't think that's any different than a straight person being tempted to indulge a forbidden straight relationship. We all have different things to deal with. But just so I'm not misunderstood, those thoughts should be dismissed, not indulged in fantasy. That is a sin.

Homosexuality is a sin.Jesus died for sinners.A gay man can get Saved in the same manner that I did——Ask.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I once climbed up a mountain. When I was near the top, I turned and was amazed at what I saw. Stretched out for miles before me were forests, lakes, prairie, and rolling hills. The air was thin and crisp. What a view!
We'd spent hours plodding through trees and rocks, bogs and bush. Thankfully, my brother had been this way before and knew the way.
Otherwise, not only would I have not found my way, I'd have had a hard time imagining that such a vista existed or that I could've ever hoped to see it. The good Lord had made it all for me, but to see it, I had to first make the effort to get up the mountain.
This required faith.

Is this an analogy of how YOU and your “ EFFORT” get the credit for your Salvation? If so, your story sucks....

Anybody that ever got Saved , or “ made it to the mountain top” in your story got there by Two things and Two things ONLY—— #1 The Blood Of Jesus and #2 Your God- Gifted Faith in #1........When it comes to Salvation, Jesus gets 100% of the Glory and you get NONE.Do you “ GET” that? NONE.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Just as night gradually transforms into day, one's soul transforms from sinner to saint.
The spirit and the soul are not the same, though together with the body, they make up the whole person.

Sanctification is gradual.....Salvation is instantaneous .And Permanent .

 

[Truman]

Is this an analogy of how YOU and your “ EFFORT” get the credit for your Salvation? If so, your story sucks....

Anybody that ever got Saved , or “ made it to the mountain top” in your story got there by Two things and Two things ONLY—— #1 The Blood Of Jesus and #2 Your God- Gifted Faith in #1........When it comes to Salvation, Jesus gets 100% of the Glory and you get NONE.Do you “ GET” that? NONE.

About the only thing that sucks here is your attitude. Sure, I want to take credit for what the Lord did for a low-life like me. I really climbed up the mountain so I can put a lightning rod on my head and wait for a thunder storm. Did you also get hit with a stupid bomb?

 

[Truman]

Sanctification is gradual.....Salvation is instantaneous .And Permanent .

Maybe next time you'll take the time to understand that is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

. And they mistakenly think the church meeting is designed to gather lost people together to evangelize them



I guess “your” version of a proper church is where people can go to Preen over themselves....kinda like a Social Club for the “ Superior” ....
Sounds similar to the gatherings of Pharisees in Jesus day....

I like the preacher that said, “ Send me every Sinner in Town” ......that’s the correct attitude.....get them there and do just like Paul did—— “ Preach Christ Crucified”.....it seemed to work for Paul.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If I go to the bar, pick up a woman and spend the night with her, spending the night with her is the fruit of sin that first took root in my heart. Focusing on externals will only turn one into a white-washed tomb. Clean on the outside but full of defilement.
This is what Jesus was referring to when He said, "Clean the inside of the cup and the outside will be clean."

Only God can clean the Inside Of the Cup......We can concentrate on the outside of the cup and really impress our fellow church- goers.....that’s the extent of it a lot of the time....it’s no more than “ turning over a New Leaf” and anybody can do it....it does not fool God...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If I go to the bar, pick up a woman and spend the night with her, spending the night with her is the fruit of sin that first took root in my heart. Focusing on externals will only turn one into a white-washed tomb. Clean on the outside but full of defilement.
This is what Jesus was referring to when He said, "Clean the inside of the cup and the outside will be clean."

Had I said this , I would be hearing that BB approves of Fornication.....

 

[Truman]

Had I said this , I would be hearing that BB approves of Fornication.....

Who cares what people think...I care what the Lord thinks!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I do not live in sin.

Think about this: There has to be a difference between the two people John describes in 1 John 3:7-10...

"7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother." ​

And we know John is not saying the person who practices righteousness is perfect. So we have to ask ourselves, "what's the difference between these two 'sinning' people John is describing? One is saved, the other is not." For some reason the church can not see what distinguishes the saved sinning person from the unsaved sinning person. The difference is the unsaved person lives in his sin as a matter of unrepentant disobedience, just like the saved person did before they were saved. John said this is how you can tell a born again person from a not born again person. It's a matter of mindset. The born again person has his mind set on righteousness, and so he walks in righteousness but may struggle with sin. The not born again person has his mind set on unrighteousness, and so he walks in unrighteousness and his struggle is with righteousness. Don't you remember this from before you were born again?

The Unsaved man lives in the Sin Of Unbelief.That is his “ Unrighteousness” That will Damn Him....

Before I was Born Again I could sin and it did not bother me. Since I received my New Heart , Sin really grieves me to my core.....that is not a pleasant thing to live with.....it’s why I now try to abandon sin .....what used to be Pleasurable is now Very troubling.... get enough of that mindset and your sins will kinda just “ fall off” as time goes by......it can take a while.A LONG while....we need to sometimes keep our judgmental mouths shut as the Holy Spirit does His job, according to HIS time- table .....I was a Saved man for many years before I abandoned Skirt- Chasing and O paid therice for it—— relax , Legalists—— ain’t nobody gettin’ away with Nuthin’ in this life....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This logic fails in the church because many Christians ignore the fact that the dirty cup signifies that it's also dirty inside, and so they rationalize having a dirty cup all the time. They need to realize that, ultimately, a dirty cup indicates it's dirty, both, on the inside and the outside. This is the point they miss in the analogy. They miss it to their own destruction.

I believe that it is YOU that “ misses the point”.....if the inside of the cup were *Perfectly* clean in this lifetime, you would be Perfectly Clean on the outside..... that ain’t happening in this lifetime.....with your scenario , one would be equal to Jesus.....no sin and no desire to sin...

When we are given our “ New Bodies” for Eternity.....Then , and ONLY then will we have a Cup Inside Of us that is completely without sin....Hopefully, by the time you die, you will not be “ near” the Sinner you were on that day you got Saved, but Truth be told.....even your “ improved” self is gonna need a TON of Grace when you stand before a Perfect and Holy God and realize what a Worm you are .....Save d ONLY because God gave you His Mercy that you in no way deserved.....despite how proud you may have been of your “ Clean Cup”...That was always a “ Work in progress” and a picture of Sanctification— God changing you from the inside out...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, it's 'labor' day, lol.

She’s a Canadian. Suffering from “ Tundra Overdose”......probably just an innocent typo.....it’s a battle to type with frostbitten digits,eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

why not? because you don't like it? is that what it is?

If you are without sin, you can be the first one to point that finger.....you seem to be slobbering at the mouth to do so....hypocrite....you are just an “Accuser Of The Brethren” talking out of your Balaam’s Ass....get lost.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I'm not sure I can relate to this. I'd have to think about it. I relate more to my outer man being more where the process is taking place.

That explains a LOT MORE than you realize.....and it gives me no pleasure to point that out....you are a Religious man.....and that is not a complement.....Religion is the opposite of Christianity.... I am not saying that you are not a Christian.....it’s just that your Christian Walk is “ hobbled” and you cant seem to understand it....you lack the Faith to truly “ Let go and let God” ......there’s hope for you—- you ain’t dead yet....lol... I am a “ Free Man in Christ”..... I used to be where you were....I would like to see you live “ The Abundant Life” that Jesus promised—- you ain’t there yet....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I am better than the drunk down the street. By God's grace I am in fact better than the drunk down the street. I do not get drunk. I will not minimize what is factually true about me to placate and soothe someone who has yet to experience the grace that I have experienced. My responsibility is to not look down on those who have yet to walk in God's grace, not minimize the grace I have received.

Oh, that picnic thing. Sorry, lol.

NOBODY is any “ Better” than anybody else— that is the very DEFINITION of PRIDE! And YOU got tons if it.....Pride is the worst sin there is —- Ask SATAN! We ALL have the potential to be the Best or the Worst ......God will extend his Mercy to the Town Drunk way before he gets around to anybody that is PROUD......day by day you reveal your true colors more and more and it sure ain’t “ Pretty” ......You PRIDE yourself on being “self-taught”—— ain’t nobody gonna Teach *YOU* anything.....yep, you are self taught all right, and boy, does it show! Watch your step—- “ Pride goeth before a fall”.....

Next time you pull your nose up when you see a poor man struggling with alcohol you should say with SINCERITY ..... “There but for the Grace Of God, Go I....” You might know that intellectually , but it sure as Hell is not in your Heart.....You sound like a Pharisee....”Thank God, I ain’t the low- life that he is”...... you should be ashamed of yourself....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

And that's all I've been saying. I am free to consider a person a genuine Christian or not. In fact, I think it's my responsibility to do that. What I can't do is pass judgment on them like a judge can do. But I can certainly see for myself if a person is guilty of living in sin.

The guy who had sex with his own stepmother in Corinthians? Chances are you would in no way consider that guy a Saved Christian, would you, King Judger? .... yet he was....You ain’t smart enough to go around judging everybody ....if you had half an inkling Of the Sinner That that you actually are Yourself , you would find better things to do.....You ain’t NEAR as “ Holy” as you think you are...and you ain’t fooling a soul in this Forum....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Sure, you can pray for them. But I think John's reason for explaining to the church about how to identify not born again people is for the purpose of safeguarding ourselves and the church against the leaven of their ruinous teachings and ways.

The Unregenerate man ain’t hurting anybody NEAR as much as the True “ Leaven Spreaders” are.....The Unsaved man is usually an obvious Sinning Fool ....it is the Subtle guy that spreads Leaven.....True Leaven is ADDING subtly to the Gospel Of Pure Grace with Hogwash like “Lucky Repentance” before you die, and refraining from ALL “ Willful Sins” in your lifetime ( Sorry kids , the Blood Of Jesus can’t handle them ) THOSE things are the Leaven in today’s churches and it is the same Perverted teachings found in these Forums......Mr.Bueller being the #1 guilty party—- now that “justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance” is no longer with us.....Ferris had better Repent.....lol.... don’t ya just Love Irony?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's your wording of things Ferris.... we are good to go then BOOM.... you sneak those words in there... LOL YOU have NO right to decide who is and is NOT born again.... the inspecting of fruit is indeed for our own protection... but that is as far as it goes... NONE of your business... pray for the person and let God deal with them... without calling them NON believers... perhaps they are being disobedient... or struggling...

Anyways....I am truly done... STOP quoting me now... LOL

He has that same effect on me....just when you think, “ Hey, maybe this guy ain’t so bad after all” he blows it with something unbiblical,, Judgmental and Self- Righteousness...just a modern- Day Pharisee....He is as Blind to it as they were ....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, friend, I do not 'live like this' ↓↓↓

"19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21
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I sin, but I do not 'live like this'. Do you? If you do, you need to listen to Paul when he says, "I warn you" in verse 21. Hopefully, you do not live like that. But what you have to start recognizing and making the distinction between is sinning as a Christian and living in sin as an unbeliever. This difference is not my creation. It comes right from Paul's, Jesus', and John's words. We need to stop placating people with misguided theology who aren't really saved by telling them they are saved as long as they think they are despite the fact they have no change of nature to validate any such experience.

Paul is talking about Gospel Rejectors.....and what their lives are full of....if you are a Gospel Believer you will be Saved....anything you CANT do or anything you MUST do will be taken care of ....It wasn’t BB, it was GOD that stuck His neck out and said that if I came to Him through His Son — HE would “ Save me to the UTTERMOST” .....I did my part and I trust that God will do His....If He declares sneezing to be a Sin That we can’t “ Live In” , He will see to it that Gospel Believers do not sneeze habitually.....Something Of WAY MORE Value than my Salvation is at stake here—- His Word!