An Apologetic Sheepdog
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No where in Scripture does it ever state angels and humans produced offspring. No where.
Check out Genesis in proper context and do some detailed root word study.
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No where in Scripture does it ever state angels and humans produced offspring. No where.
Demons are not angels.Demons are angels, just FYI. Demons hate God and want us destroyed right along with them and they don't care how or how many as long as its all eventually.
Angels of the lord do nothing except under direct instruction of the Lord and he is not the author of confusion and whatever they do directly bears witness.
Beings ( assuming real ones) just floating around doing stuff and things for the camera are not conducting business of the Lord.
The old white man is responsible for all the evil in USA history chest nut again, is it.I hadn't noticed that you live in Australia so I'm not surprised that you're unfamiliar with my government's covert misadventures. I'm not a historian, but have always been interested in history to the extent that it reveals human nature and tends to repeat itself.
Our government had issued lock down orders early in 2020, but law enforcement was hesitant to enforce them. I don't have a laundry in my house (and I'm retired) so I was out driving into town a few times a week doing laundry and food shopping, yet no one stopped me or questioned why I was out. However nothing much was open except a few businesses deemed essential (like the laundromat. )
Throughout the pandemic our government has used "experts" to warn of the dangers of the virus, but the media outlets have consistently filtered, misinterpreted, or ignored the experts to use fear politically and influence the last presidential election. Unfortunately, our "experts" under government employment were never entirely honest as it could cost them and in some cases take them out of the spotlight. Those of us educated in the sciences recognized that the "experts" were being pressured and disingenuous about the information released through government sources and so began the misinformation war, also politically driven.
In the US we still have a majority of citizens that consider themselves Christian and the signs of the times are making it difficult to maintain the attitude that Christ's return is in some distant future and not imminent.
Our government has been actively promoting a narrative to our population for over half a century, pretending first that the US was the defender of the free world and then taking on the role of "liberator " of oppressed nations (with useful natural resources.)
As a consequence, the far right has been predisposed to resist any restrictions on freedom and personal liberty, while the far left has been predisposed to believe in their own moral authority as liberators and movers of social change.
I'm convinced that the principle of "divide and conquer " is written into two party political systems as a means of control over the population, but that begs the questions why and by who?
My interest in history and specifically the truth regarding my own nation motivated me to read a lot of books about our hidden history, those things Christians tend not to be proud of and are notably absent from most public school text books. The advocates of critical race theory want our public schools to include education that reveals the darker aspects of our history, but the opponents are violently opposed to the curriculum because it confuses class privilege with race privilege and emphasizes a false narrative based upon a false distinction, that of race.
Biologically, while there are many nations and peoples, many ethnicities, there is only one race. Teaching kids that race is the ultimate cause of social and economic disparity is not only inherently false but can only increase the ethnic divide, a political trick used by Adolf Hitler in his rise to absolute power in Nazi Germany.
Divide and conquer is a very effective means of warfare, and misinformation applied to the principle has been used politically for as long as journalism has existed. You don't hear journalists taking credit for their role in the rise of Adolf Hitler and in the US its anathema to label journalists propagandists because of their self appointed role as arbiters of societal truth, but by the end of the Viet Nam war our military command and civilian leadership understood that whoever controls the narrative, controls public perception of events.
We don't have "state media" in the US to push a single government agenda, but private media ownership also allows partisan political control of the dissemination of "news" and a great deal of content filtering to support false political narratives.
My own perception of Satan's work through government may be inaccurate, my analysis may be flawed, but students of history who place the truth above national pride are always more informed than the general public in their own nation, simply because histories are usually preserved by the victors of war and sanitized to create national pride and unity.
No government wants to be percieved as evil by it's own population, but no government exists outside of the corrupt system of this world except the kingdom of God, and government remains a necessity as long as sin persists in the hearts of men. Self rule is anarchy and democracy is no more than rule by popular consensus.
Sorry for unloading so much personal analysis on you, but the Bible shapes my perception of the world more than the world alters my perception of the Bible and I've learned to trust its veracity, even before I learned to trust its inspiration.
Demons are not angels.
Demons are spirits of reprobate humans, who are no longer in God's presence, because they are spiritually dead, meaning no longer of God, but of evil.
I don't know if CBS news is streamed anywhere overseas, but it's one of our oldest syndicated networks and currently streams live and on demand over most of the United States. They're currently streaming a commercial round the clock that declares that the best news tells you "why." The same commercial has a feminist talking about gender inequity and goes on to say "it's even written into the bible." The same commercial quotes someone saying that the Christian right doesn't fight for everyone's religious freedom, just their own.The old white man is responsible for all the evil in USA history chest nut again, is it.
We have that rubbish pushed down on us as well and it started from around 1975 that I remember from school days.
White man is the problem for everything ?
But I was a Christian and I was informed that it was Sin that was the key to all problems regardless of race. now in 2021 such things a Sin are not mentioned or is taboo to bring up because it's not the Politically Correct Bag. as they have a Socialist face on the subject rooted in degenerates perspectives like Cultural Marxism etc etc it makes everyone equal, sounds nice and fair don't it ! but it's actually enslavement under murdering Satanic tyrants. oh they hold out the carrots for all the fools, but once they have no need for the carrots then the fools are on the wrong end of the stick.
The Anti-Christ is anyone who is not truly born again, because they are only Carnal and religious dupes. People who are water baptised are in hope to receive the Holy Spirit and have the ability to repent of their Sins as they have some knowledge of the Holy Spirit but they are not of the Kingdom of God, only the truly born again are in the Kingdom of God and that is when one becomes an Israel- servant of God and then you are sent back into this world among the wolves, but not to fear them for such a one is saved as ones Soul is as one with the Christ Jesus, we are his body the Church in fact.
Jesus said he was not of this world, this is not his kingdom, the Jews should of known that but they were lead astray by the ones in the Vineyard story that proves who we are dealing with.
Now some new age weevil will come out making childish claims of one being an Anti-Semite to even bring the topic up of the Biblical Vineyard story, don't mention who was killing all of Gods Prophets, not to mention that the Prophets were truly worthy Israelite's in fact. oh but we see the Vineyard tenants get all riled up now ! they have their own agenda without God in their lives truly at all, but they do peddle religion full on, it's a mans works religion, just as any atheist has his own religion, but just because one does not believe what one does not want to believe does not cut it at all, as any fools can do that.
But then again they led the people astray and then God kicked them out of the Vineyard, oh don't go their or out comes the Anti-Semite police peddling foolish deceptive dribble. Now their were a hand full of true Israelites that believed in Jesus was the Christ and they got the message when Jesus Christ went to Heaven and it was they who became the first Christians. and as any true Christian knows no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son.
I've read some of it and think that you might be correct, but it isn't part of the cannon of scripture. That means it isn't considered inspired. The Apocrypha can tell us about the thinking of the times when they were written and sometimes provide historical information but the visions and supernatural elements could be no more than popular fables, entertainment that promotes popular belief and teaches moral lessons. Scripture must agree with itself to be considered inspired by God and that relationship falls apart in apocryphal writings to the extent we understand scripture and sound doctrine (but the writers of the epistles may have seen things a bit differently in that they quoted Enoch.)I believe the Book of Enoch which is not included in some Bibles talks about this idea where fallen angels have sex with daughters of men.
It is putting many Scriptures together.what scripture says this?
None, but I'm guessing this idea is based upon Jesus' rebukes against His accusers as sons of Satan, and our fallen nature at enmity with God. It makes the assumption that fallen angels are not the same entities as demons. I'm not sure what the demons are supposed to be in that theology. I suppose that I missed the movie.what scripture says this?
No need to study, spiritual Angel's dont maintain human sperm, nor do they give in marriage or procreate with humansCheck out Genesis in proper context and do some detailed root word study.
The bible contains Greek Mythology?No need to study, spiritual Angel's dont maintain human sperm, nor do they give in marriage or procreate with humans
The Nephilim is (Greek Mythology)
No need to study, spiritual Angel's dont maintain human sperm, nor do they give in marriage or procreate with humans
The Nephilim is (Greek Mythology)
Shall I ask you which Scripture claims angels are demons?
Angels have no diety at all. They are not God like. The word angel just means messenger. So no cultural inference. Just human imagination run amuck. Satan is only a messenger who wants to replace God.Its a traditional cultural inference
The word daimionion and its root (G1142) basically mean "inferior diety" ( lesser god in proper context) which is the class angels come from ( who are also higher than us)
We can argue what specific kind of angel but Scripture doesn't go into that much detail
Angels have no diety at all. They are not God like. The word angel just means messenger. So no cultural inference. Just human imagination run amuck. Satan is only a messenger who wants to replace God.
Trees are also created to last thousands of years, a "higher order". What does angels having more responsibility than trees, who are more responsible than humans who have a way shorter life span? You did not define your "higher order" of why creation exists as pointed out in God's Word. Angels are not divine, nor ever will be.Study more. "Angels" are of a higher order ( "messenger" is only ONE version of the definition of angel- not the ONLY)
Trees are also created to last thousands of years, a "higher order". What does angels having more responsibility than trees, who are more responsible than humans who have a way shorter life span? You did not define your "higher order" of why creation exists as pointed out in God's Word. Angels are not divine, nor ever will be.
I have read man's imagination on the topic. Can you prove Satan is not behind these imaginations? Who wants to be God? Who wants humans to believe an angel can be God? Who wants humans to "dwell" on some divine pecking order, that would propel them to the top spot?
This creation includes angels and sons of God as distinct creations. One rules in the firmament. The other on earth.Scripture doesn't "define" it so neither can I other than they are above the physical laws of the lower part of creation.
Depends on how you define "divine" because angels are "gods" in the sense that they are above and not subject to the laws of physics in this universe and a few other qualifiers.
Ultimately he is behind them but the "principalities of evil and powers of darkness ( his other fallen angels) are assisting.
I hadn't noticed that you live in Australia so I'm not surprised that you're unfamiliar with my government's covert misadventures. I'm not a historian, but have always been interested in history to the extent that it reveals human nature and tends to repeat itself.
Our government had issued lock down orders early in 2020, but law enforcement was hesitant to enforce them. I don't have a laundry in my house (and I'm retired) so I was out driving into town a few times a week doing laundry and food shopping, yet no one stopped me or questioned why I was out. However nothing much was open except a few businesses deemed essential (like the laundromat. )
Throughout the pandemic our government has used "experts" to warn of the dangers of the virus, but the media outlets have consistently filtered, misinterpreted, or ignored the experts to use fear politically and influence the last presidential election. Unfortunately, our "experts" under government employment were never entirely honest as it could cost them and in some cases take them out of the spotlight. Those of us educated in the sciences recognized that the "experts" were being pressured and disingenuous about the information released through government sources and so began the misinformation war, also politically driven.
In the US we still have a majority of citizens that consider themselves Christian and the signs of the times are making it difficult to maintain the attitude that Christ's return is in some distant future and not imminent.
Our government has been actively promoting a narrative to our population for over half a century, pretending first that the US was the defender of the free world and then taking on the role of "liberator " of oppressed nations (with useful natural resources.)
As a consequence, the far right has been predisposed to resist any restrictions on freedom and personal liberty, while the far left has been predisposed to believe in their own moral authority as liberators and movers of social change.
I'm convinced that the principle of "divide and conquer " is written into two party political systems as a means of control over the population, but that begs the questions why and by who?
My interest in history and specifically the truth regarding my own nation motivated me to read a lot of books about our hidden history, those things Christians tend not to be proud of and are notably absent from most public school text books. The advocates of critical race theory want our public schools to include education that reveals the darker aspects of our history, but the opponents are violently opposed to the curriculum because it confuses class privilege with race privilege and emphasizes a false narrative based upon a false distinction, that of race.
Biologically, while there are many nations and peoples, many ethnicities, there is only one race. Teaching kids that race is the ultimate cause of social and economic disparity is not only inherently false but can only increase the ethnic divide, a political trick used by Adolf Hitler in his rise to absolute power in Nazi Germany.
Divide and conquer is a very effective means of warfare, and misinformation applied to the principle has been used politically for as long as journalism has existed. You don't hear journalists taking credit for their role in the rise of Adolf Hitler and in the US its anathema to label journalists propagandists because of their self appointed role as arbiters of societal truth, but by the end of the Viet Nam war our military command and civilian leadership understood that whoever controls the narrative, controls public perception of events.
We don't have "state media" in the US to push a single government agenda, but private media ownership also allows partisan political control of the dissemination of "news" and a great deal of content filtering to support false political narratives.
My own perception of Satan's work through government may be inaccurate, my analysis may be flawed, but students of history who place the truth above national pride are always more informed than the general public in their own nation, simply because histories are usually preserved by the victors of war and sanitized to create national pride and unity.
No government wants to be percieved as evil by it's own population, but no government exists outside of the corrupt system of this world except the kingdom of God, and government remains a necessity as long as sin persists in the hearts of men. Self rule is anarchy and democracy is no more than rule by popular consensus.
Sorry for unloading so much personal analysis on you, but the Bible shapes my perception of the world more than the world alters my perception of the Bible and I've learned to trust its veracity, even before I learned to trust its inspiration.
his creation includes angels and sons of God as distinct creations. One rules in the firmament. The other on earth.
Humans are the offspring of Adam, a fallen son of God, not a fallen angel.
Satan's angels have been locked in the pit from the moment they rebelled. They will only be let out at the 5th Trumpet.