OSAS Question

[theefaith]

Just as the Pharisees built a false, misguided, man-made religious system around the old covenant, so the Catholics built a false, misguided, man-made religious system around the new covenant.

So wise man what is this church?

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[theefaith]

Just as circumcision is circumcision of the heart, not the flesh, so baptism is spiritual baptism into the body of Christ through faith in Christ. Nothing wrong with either physical circumcision or physical baptism, but neither literally place you into the body of Christ. Water simply does not baptize you into the body of Christ. The Spirit of God does that, and at his choosing, before, during, or after water baptism. Since we don't emphasize water baptism as much as we used to (not a lot of creeks and lakes and nice weather readily available in most places to do that at the time a person comes to faith), most believers are saved long before they get water baptized. I was water baptized about two months after I received Christ by faith and was born again. It was important that I do that, but it had nothing to do with God saving me when I called on his name.

then baptism is meaningless

 

[theefaith]

Just as the Pharisees built a false, misguided, man-made religious system around the old covenant, so the Catholics built a false, misguided, man-made religious system around the new covenant.

the true church cannot be in error
Jn 16:13 8:32

an attack on the church is an attack on Christ acts 9:4

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

 

[theefaith]

Just as circumcision is circumcision of the heart, not the flesh, so baptism is spiritual baptism into the body of Christ through faith in Christ. Nothing wrong with either physical circumcision or physical baptism, but neither literally place you into the body of Christ. Water simply does not baptize you into the body of Christ. The Spirit of God does that, and at his choosing, before, during, or after water baptism. Since we don't emphasize water baptism as much as we used to (not a lot of creeks and lakes and nice weather readily available in most places to do that at the time a person comes to faith), most believers are saved long before they get water baptized. I was water baptized about two months after I received Christ by faith and was born again. It was important that I do that, but it had nothing to do with God saving me when I called on his name.

not saved matt 24:13

 

[Ferris Bueller]

then baptism is meaningless

No, it's not. As I said, it was important that I do that. It opened the door to power of witness. I believe a new believer should get water baptized as soon as possible. A public confession of faith is vital to a rich life of powerful witness.

 

[theefaith]

Just as circumcision is circumcision of the heart, not the flesh, so baptism is spiritual baptism into the body of Christ through faith in Christ. Nothing wrong with either physical circumcision or physical baptism, but neither literally place you into the body of Christ. Water simply does not baptize you into the body of Christ. The Spirit of God does that, and at his choosing, before, during, or after water baptism. Since we don't emphasize water baptism as much as we used to (not a lot of creeks and lakes and nice weather readily available in most places to do that at the time a person comes to faith), most believers are saved long before they get water baptized. I was water baptized about two months after I received Christ by faith and was born again. It was important that I do that, but it had nothing to do with God saving me when I called on his name.

acts 22:16 baptism washes sin away
Gal 3:27 have not put on Christ by faith alone or spiritually but by baptism

 

[theefaith]

No, it's not. As I said, it was important that I do that. It opened the door to power of witness. I believe a new believer should get water baptized as soon as possible. A public confession of faith is vital to a rich life of powerful witness.

where does scripture call baptism a witness????

 

[theefaith]

Fundamentalist automatic reaction

 

[Ferris Bueller]

the true church cannot be in error
Jn 16:13 8:32

an attack on the church is an attack on Christ acts 9:4

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors, it is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 16:18 One fold
Jn 10:16 the household of faith! Gal 6:10

I don't listen to this blather. The church is composed of everybody who has called on the name of the Lord (Luke 18:13-14).

 

[Ferris Bueller]

where does scripture call baptism a witness????

"... the pledge off a clear conscience toward God..." 1 Peter 3:21

Water baptism is your public pledge of your commitment toward God. Like the wind that blows when and where it wants, I'm not pretending to understand the move of the Spirit any better than anyone else. But it's clear from the beginning chapters of Acts that there is a connection between water baptism and receiving the Spirit in power for witness and ministry. That's how it turned out for me. I had been saved for a couple of months but then immediately following my water baptism I suddenly had boldness of witness. That's why I say every new believer should seek to be obedient to God in water baptism as soon as is physically possible after their conversion. It's a lot harder to fall away from faith in God and into doubt when you've got the power of the Spirit active in your life in some kind of spiritual gift.

 

[theefaith]

I don't listen to this blather. The church is composed of everybody who has called on the name of the Lord (Luke 18:13-14).

No only those who have put on christ

 

[theefaith]

"... the pledge off a clear conscience toward God..." 1 Peter 3:21

Water baptism is your public pledge of your commitment toward God. Like the wind that blows when and where it wants, I'm not pretending to understand the move of the Spirit any better than anyone else. But it's clear from the beginning chapters of Acts that there is a connection between water baptism and receiving the Spirit in power for witness and ministry. That's how it turned out for me. I had been saved for a couple of months but then immediately following my water baptism I suddenly had boldness of witness. That's why I say every new believer should seek to be obedient to God in water baptism as soon as is physically possible after their conversion. It's a lot harder to fall away from faith in God and into doubt when you've got the power of the Spirit active in your life in some kind of spiritual gift.

that cos the Christian sacrament of baptism washes away sin
Acts 22:16

 

[theefaith]

"... the pledge off a clear conscience toward God..." 1 Peter 3:21

Water baptism is your public pledge of your commitment toward God. Like the wind that blows when and where it wants, I'm not pretending to understand the move of the Spirit any better than anyone else. But it's clear from the beginning chapters of Acts that there is a connection between water baptism and receiving the Spirit in power for witness and ministry. That's how it turned out for me. I had been saved for a couple of months but then immediately following my water baptism I suddenly had boldness of witness. That's why I say every new believer should seek to be obedient to God in water baptism as soon as is physically possible after their conversion. It's a lot harder to fall away from faith in God and into doubt when you've got the power of the Spirit active in your life in some kind of spiritual gift.

to attack the church or her sacraments is to attack Christ who founded her and her sacraments

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So wise man what is this church?

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Everyone who believes! Why is this so hard for you?

 

[Triumph1300]

An attack on the church is an attack on Christ
Christ and his holy church are one acts 9:4 eph 5:32
The church always submits to Christ

Jn 15:1-5
Eph 5: 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Once again you prefer not to respond to the post about Mary having more children after Jesus was born.
All you respond with is "attack on Christ" etc.
A discussion with you is totally useless.
You are blinded by what Rome teaches and disregard the Bible.
Talking to you is like talking to a troller.

 

[theefaith]

Everyone who believes! Why is this so hard for you?

cos it’s not a bible study it’s a COVENANT
You can’t enter a covenant and be in union with God thru the mediator by a purely spiritual means or faith alone
Must be an outward sign
BAPTISM

 

[Ferris Bueller]

that cos the Christian sacrament of baptism washes away sin
Acts 22:16

Faith does that all by itself.

"He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith." Acts 15:9​

Water baptism is a good time for that to happen. If you present the gospel that way, like they did in the very beginning, it can happen that way.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

to attack the church or her sacraments is to attack Christ who founded her and her sacraments

1) Not everything you consider an attack is an attack, and 2) the church is not defined by being a member of the Catholic church. Church membership is defined by saving faith in God. Christ is the architect and builder of the church, not the Catholics. I don't think Catholics are even co-laborers in that work. Like the Pharisees of the old covenant, the Catholics draw people away from the very truth they are sure they are guiding people to.

 

[Taken]

Amen! Inherent in the idea of tasting is the fact that one might or might not decide to accept what is tasted.

Exactly.

For example, the same Greek word (geuomai) is used in Matthew 27:34 to say that those crucifying Jesus "offered him wine to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it." Do we simply "taste" into one Spirit or drink into one Spirit? (1 Corinthians 12:13).

Right!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

cos it’s not a bible study it’s a COVENANT
You can’t enter a covenant and be in union with God thru the mediator by a purely spiritual means or faith alone
Must be an outward sign
BAPTISM

The outward sign of being in covenant with God is Sabbath Rest from sin and the setting aside of the flesh from the heart in spiritual circumcision. These two observances are specifically pegged in the old covenant as the signs that you are in covenant with God. And just as all the other observances are understood in this New Covenant in regard to the spiritual reality they represented, so Sabbath Rest and circumcision are also understood in regard to their spiritual realities—the putting off of the flesh. And so they remain the sign observances that they were in old covenant, just in the new way of the spiritual realities the old represented.