There Ain’t No Way This Guy Is Saved......Right?

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to all you DO GOODERS and BE GOODERS....

Interesting how being “a do gooder” is grounds for mocking these days…

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
 

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Interesting how being “a do gooder” is grounds for mocking these days…

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)

You are FALSELY accusing me... I NEVER called EVIL good.... OH DEAR... you just SINNED...
 

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Then explain your mocking “DO GOODERS” language.

Why do we “do gooders” bother you?

@Blood Bought 1953 seems to bask in glory over being a sinner and you have affinity towards him.
That is NOT how this works.... YOU chose to answer my post... and the scripture you added... suggested that I am calling evil... GOOD.

That makes you these things....

A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape. ~Proverbs 19:5

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. ~Exodus 23:1

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. ~ Proverbs 6:16-19


I guess that makes you NOT so GOOD.
 

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HELLO to all you DO GOODERS and BE GOODERS....

Just checking in to make sure you are all taking "GOOD" care of my brother BB.... ( He is so precious to me )... and His Life too... They work so hard to fight the GOOD fight.... setting all the captives FREE from the SLAVERY of GOOD WORKS.

Anyhoo... I hope you didn't all miss me too much... I sort of got myself in a little tither over at the Catholic thread section... but I have recovered... It seems every time I get offended and WANT to leave the FORUMS... God says ADDY... REST.... BE STILL... and KNOW that I am GOD. So... here I am... all refreshed.


I notice that the action around here has CHANGED... NEW THREAD... about a REALLY REALLY BAD GUY.... and that seems to have RE-ACTIVATED the same old argument about BEING GOOD... Oh how that argument seems to have a life of its own... and it goes ON and ON... and ON.... yet NO one seems able to answer this QUESTION.... HOW GOOD do you have to be??? It seems that depends on WHOM you ask.... and the funny thing is that everyone seems to compare themselves to OTHERS... rather than simply ADMIT that they themselves deserve NOTHING but HELL... cuz they don't cut the mustard at all... and that is even BEFORE they get out of bed in the morning.

Thankfully BB... His Life... Tongo ... marks and a few others are here to remind you of this fact...

I am writing a tiny novel here... and once again... I am dumping a whole pool full of HUMOUR... as there are some that appreciate my GIFT.

I have spent the last week at the BEACH with my brand new RED BEACH CHAIR... OH my goodness... let me tell you all about this CHAIR.... Not only is it RED.... It is also soooooo comfortable... AND... my insulated lunch bag works great... ( thanks for asking ) ... OH... and I almost forgot to mention my NEW thermos... It works lovely... my coffee stays hot... and my tea too.

I have been spending the days simply THANKING GOD for BEING GOOD.... OH... how HE IS GOOD... and so WORTHY to be PRAISED... I can't get enough of HIM... and it seems that my JOY is growing DAILY... Funny how that works... the more one praises the LORD with a heart filled with LOVE... the more it grows... NO time to be thinking about sin... or being GOOD.... I'm simply too busy PRAISING the LORD for His GOODNESS..... It's a WONDERFUL thing to be set FREE...

For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. ~ 2 Corinthians 3:17

Anyways.... Just decided to do a quick check in...
Haven't really read this thread yet... I kind of suspect it's about being GOOD.... LOL
Blessings to all... Most Tenderly... Addy


What color is Tundra? Doesn’t a Red Chair clash with what you think is sand?
 

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Then explain your mocking “DO GOODERS” language.

Why do we “do gooders” bother you?

@Blood Bought 1953 seems to bask in glory over being a sinner and you have affinity towards him.


I don’t “ Bask” in being a Sinner—- I HATE Sin, as I have said many times.....now that God gave me a New Heart, I simply find that Sin has the same appeal as a Drano Enema.....or sticking my hand in a Fire.....

No, I do not “Bask in Sin” , But You had better *BELIEVE * that I “ Bask” in the Grace that covers it .....how about you ? Maybe you don’t think you need it.....every minute of every day...

Knowing that all of my sins are covered by Grace and I can never go to Hell for any reason has just the opposite effect on my Behavior that you Legalists think it does.....It actually gives me a big desire to Sin Less ! Grace is the answer for EVERYTHING .....I can do what I want , but the question is , now that I have been “ Set Free” —- what do I want ? I am a Free Man who wants to use his Freedom to become a Slave —- God’s Slave! Lol.....ain’t Christianity “Crazy?”
 
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Then explain your mocking “DO GOODERS” language.

Why do we “do gooders” bother you?

@Blood Bought 1953 seems to bask in glory over being a sinner and you have affinity towards him.




It was said Of Jesus —- “He went about “ doing good”

That gives me and Jesus something in common .....I spend my days trying to help people and by trying to brighten up their days a little....people enjoy having me around....I also spend time trying to explain the Gospel Of Grace to the many that are trapped in ignorant, confused and Legalistic “ churches”

“Doing Good” is a great thing to do! As long as you don’t think it saves you or keeps you Saved....gonna be TONS of “ Good Neighbor Sams” in Hell......
 

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I can never go to Hell for any reason

You are very wrong.

"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? …Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:3-11)

"Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:9-10)

ain’t Christianity “Crazy?”

Christianity is not crazy.

It just has a lot of crazy people in it that pervert it so skillfully.

Now go and cry “that’s out of context!!!”.

That is the only rebuttal that false doctrine adherents have.
 

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You are very wrong.

"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? …Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:3-11)

"Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:9-10)



Christianity is not crazy.

It just has a lot of crazy people in it that pervert it so skillfully.

Now go and cry “that’s out of context!!!”.

That is the only rebuttal that false doctrine adherents have.




THIS STUFF IS OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!! ( I live to serve)
 

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"Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:9-10)


Some at the Judgement Seat Of Christ will get many rewards .....some will get none.....Salvation is not the issue ....
Everyone at this “ Bema Seat” is Saved ( albeit some are Saved by the “ skin of there teeth” , like a man “escaping a fire”, the Bible makes clear)

The only ones that need to be fearful are the ones that go to the “Great White Throne Judgement” ....this is the place where the Lost go to plead with God , because of all the good stuff that “ THEY” did , so that God will “ give them what they deserve” .......and He will.......God will send them to the Hell that they deserve......They failed to mention what got the other people Saved that were getting their rewards handed to them......It turned out that a Certain Song that they mindlessly sang a thousand times contained within it everything they needed to know about how to get Saved——- the Song? “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”.......ADD to that and you got BIG Problems.....Rip that Song out of your hymnal before next Sunday if you don’t actually believe it......it might get you some Brownie Points in Hell....
 

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"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? …Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:3-11)


Wanna “ do good?” Rest in the Gospel.....God will IMPUTE you with all the “ Righteousness “ that you will ever need to get to Heaven.

Wanna “ do evil? “ Reject the Gospel Of Grace ( 1cor15:1-4) It is what Paul referred to as “His Gospel” ......Paul said in Romans that “THIS” ( his gospel) was what God would use to judge you by.....Add to that Gospel at your own risk......When you go beyond, “ Nothing But The Blood”, you have Added to it......
 

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Post# 132
Some at the Judgement Seat Of Christ will get many rewards .....some will get none....

The only ones that need to be fearful are the ones that go to the “Great White Throne Judgement” ...

"…the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:" (John 5:22)

The great white throne is the judgment seat of Christ!

And Christ described how all men will arrive there:

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:28-29)

There is no scriptural authority to artificially separate the judgment seat of Christ from the great white throne in Revelation; nor to add the notion of Christians getting rewards for their behavior done in their bodies.

Man has misapplied the rewards of the preacher in his work of ministry in the body of Christ to rewards of the behavior of the brethren.

You have wrongly divided the word of truth using a system that claims to “rightly divide” it. What a spectacle!
 

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I know a guy who hasn’t set foot church in 50 years.....He probably does not own a Bible, much less does he ever blow the dust off of it and read it....his personality is so obnoxious he has no friends.....he routinely talks to his own Mother like she is a dog.....he has ran off two wives, one of which was a very sweet, kind- hearted woman.....he spends most of his days involved in pornography and is not Above having one- night stands with women he meets on porn sites.......

Having said all of that , he once surprised me when we were talking about False Religions and different “ Spiritual ” programs used to “ better” people who were troubled and/ or addicted to drugs or other bad, self-destructive habits.....he said of these man- made religions and programs the following: “ I don’t care what they do or say, if it ain’t got Jesus in it, it’s a waste of time”......

Since that time, I have never doubted his Salvation —- he May be among the “ Worst” , Carnal Christians That ever drew breath, yet I believe he is a Saved Christian ....
Why? I think he passed the test given by Jesus.....” If you will confess Me before men, I will confess you before my Father in Heaven”

He is an unhappy soul here on Earth ....he will probably have NO rewards in Heaven , and Judgement Day will be a very long day for him ....
He will likely shed many tears on that day and he will get in by the skin of his teeth, but I believe Jesus will wipe those tears and allow him to enter Heaven.....all because he met the bare minimum requirement —— he believed enough in Jesus to at least “ acknowledge Him before men” ....that’s enough to get a man saved.....

Any opinions about this out there?

I been there before. Thank God for his mercy and grace though. God saw me when the times would make fun of God and make fun of Christians, he saw my thinking of Jesus Christ was a sham, but at the age of 26; The Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father changed my life around. You know sometimes you do not even have to confess your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to others actually. You can show them your faith by your actions in how you live your life with the spirit of Christ in you.
 

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This was quoted in the post:
Matt. 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHERwho is in heaven.
understand the kingdom and when and how you enter into it. Knowledge alone will not allow you to enter in. Only the trust the Lord places in your heart.
 
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"Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:9-10)


Some at the Judgement Seat Of Christ will get many rewards .....some will get none.....Salvation is not the issue ....
Everyone at this “ Bema Seat” is Saved ( albeit some are Saved by the “ skin of there teeth” , like a man “escaping a fire”, the Bible makes clear)
A proper reading shows that the losers at the Bema seat judgment suffer loss, not just a lack of rewards.

Fire takes away things so that you escape naked.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Notice the warning of Jesus in this regard.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (Mat. 13:12)
 
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"…the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:" (John 5:22)

Yes He has. But let's not jump to conclusions concerning what that means! ;)

The great white throne is the judgment seat of Christ!
No. There are 2 resurrections each having a good and bad outcome. Like 2 baseball games with each having a winner and a loser. The fire in the Bema judgment seat of Christ is there to prove the works of those who are saved. Fire doesn't kill the saved ones, but only reveals the kind of works done in the body. Some will have a reward and others will suffer loss. Judgment begins at the house of God. The Bema seat is for God's house exclusively whereby everyone will give an account.

But the GWT is impersonal. There will not be a personal account. This judgment is based on God's mercy alone, not according to works. It has to do only with who is written in the Book of Life or not. And this after the saints have ruled with Christ for a thousand years. The fire for those who are not saved at the GWT destroys the person. The lake of fire is for those who are not deemed to be worthy of life. In that case the loss is total. So God will destroy the soul of the wicked ones.



And Christ described how all men will arrive there:

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:28-29)

This verse is very misunderstood. Some confuse the above verse to mean that the first resurrection is all good, and the second rez is all bad. But Jesus is describing the nature of how resurrections work. Each has a winner and a loser. The verse is not accurately translated which adds in more confusion. It doesn't say "the" resurrection per se, so it does not refer to a specific resurrection. It is "a" resurrection.

And the words of Jesus work for both resurrections. The word translated as "damnation" is "krisis" which means to pass before a tribunal. It has negative connotations to be sure.

One should keep in mind the universal aspect of the truth...without trying to limit it to something simplistic and biased.


There is no scriptural authority to artificially separate the judgment seat of Christ from the great white throne in Revelation; nor to add the notion of Christians getting rewards for their behavior done in their bodies.
This reasoning shows that you have been improperly taught.
Eisegesis: commonly referred to as reading into the text.It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it.

ALL men will be brought before the Lord. Are all ministers? This pernicious lie that 1 Cor. 3 only regards ministry has stolen the truth from many. We are all responsible for what we build on the foundation that is Christ. It is an abdication of responsibility to have everything foisted on either Jesus or else a minister. We are each going to be held responsible for everything we have done in the body. Don't be deceived.

Man has misapplied the rewards of the preacher in his work of ministry in the body of Christ to rewards of the behavior of the brethren.

You have wrongly divided the word of truth using a system that claims to “rightly divide” it. What a spectacle!

There are no separate rewards for a preacher. That is a lie spread by the "Nicolaitans" that seek to elevate themselves over the Body as a separate class. There is one Christ and all are just brethren. Don't be deceived.
The split in resurrections is not one of clergy-laity. It has to do with the house of God and the world.

What a spectacle indeed! Your judgment comes back onto you. Such is the way with the double-edged sword of truth.
 
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Heed your own advice.

I would advise you stick to the scriptures and stop reading non biblical material.

Your reasoning is inverted. The doctrine you are trying to pass off here is from a book written by a person with an immense bias. I can't remember the name of the book, since it is unimportant. It was once given to me as a gift. I made him return it. :)
But you are seeing everything upside down. I am using a scriptural basis that you maybe have never read??? Don't be a dilletante, study and seek before you make false judgments.

Do you not know that there are two resurrections?

You need to read the bible for yourself, and actually do the homework. Question your teachers and be more like the Bereans. Don't just listen to your preacher and then ignore everything else.
 
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