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You could try instead of tantrums and accusations, But first you need think...we are not there yet
In a nutshell, we are saved by grace, it is a once in a lifetime event never to be repeated, there is no second crucifixion, Christ died ONCE for our sins, and it can be lost.
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I have no wish to hear any of it. I will put all of you on my ignore list, and possibly look for another forum, or maybe not even bother. I am sick to death of the way people ignore those scriptures that disprove what they are saying, cherry pick other scriptures and mangle everything up until it becomes unrecognisable. All the cults do it.
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Look in the mirror ....you do the same things you accuse us of doing....can’t you see that?
 
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This church age is truly tanked


Thank God we live in the Grace Age .....far from “ tanking” I think the Word is getting out....Those with “ Ears to Hear” benefit from that.....I am happy to do my little part....
 

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In a nutshell, we are saved by grace, it is a once in a lifetime event never to be repeated, there is no second crucifixion, Christ died ONCE for our sins, and it can be lost.
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You certainly are allowed to have your opinion , which is all that we see here......you most certainly have the right to be wrong.....
 

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Here is how many Evangelized like this see it:

Do you believe Jesus died for your sins and arose? Yes...if you have confessed this-you are saved...

But if you notice in scripture they believed Jesus as the Christ.
And then took on the Baptism that is saying they are willing to die to the flesh.../the old
And being reborn to the New

So the above in red comes over as:
Jesus did everything all you do is mentally believe He did it and you are saved.

So what happens then....reverse.....
If you do not believe He did it all you are not saved...

Therefore the Box...


* WARNING *
A five minute read. If that is too much for anyone...Scroll on by.


You bypass "beginning" FACTS.
*You begin with "YOUR
FACT." (For others).
*Then "ADD another" ERROR.
*To establish "your" conclusion

* the Beginning FACTS: Per; (in brief)
...Evangelical, Evangelicalism;
* FIXED Objective;
...Bible
...Emphasis Gospel
...Hearing Jesus' Doctrine, Jesus' Promises, Spreading His Good news;
...(now & future), Heartful Belief, Confession, Conversion, Forgiveness, Holy Spirit Baptism, Personal "WITH and IN" Relationship with the Lord God, Peace, Eternal Life, (no wrath), Risen Up, Kingdom on Earth, (Knowledge & Understanding "according to" the Lord God).

* Your Fact; "Do you believe Jesus died for your sins and arose? Yes...if you have confessed this-you are saved..."

* Scriptural FACT;
[
9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

*
Your added Error;
"all you do is mentally believe"

* Scriptural Fact;

Rom 10
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

* Your Conclusion
"Osas start with Justification..."

* Scriptural Fact;
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Rom 10:

[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Foundation is so so important !

A Foundation in "Gods Truth" IS Gods Established "Order and WAY".

John 14
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

* Knowledge given to man.
Hearing First. (Gods Word)
Believing. (Receiving Faith from God.)
Agreeing to give his life, bodily, soul, spirit to Gods Authority.
Confessing. (HEARTFUL belief), shall be saved

* Lord Gods WORKS ~
Making available His True Word of Knowledge.
Gifting Faith for Hearing His True Word.
Accepting mans HEARTFUL confession of;
....a man HEARTFULLY believing His Word.
Accepting mans Dead Body, crucified with Christ. (Verified BY God, who searches the mans Heart)
Forgiving the man for having "had" Disbelief (Sin Against God).
Restoring mans soul, back to Very good, (Saved unto God.)
Giving man Gods SEED.(gift of a pure Seed)
Re-Birth mans spirit, from Gods Seed.
BAPTISM of Gods Holy SPIRIT, (Gods Spirit, Light, internal IN A MAN, Covers a mans forgiven sin, that it be SEEN no more.) (covering).
Set Gods SEAL upon that man.(Kings mark)
Set that man Apart unto God (sanctification).
Promise to Raise mans body. (Justification).
That mans body, soul, spirit IN "FAITH-FULLNESS" ( SAVED, BY GODS WORKS, and Kept) by the supreme Power of God. (Freed from sin).
God giving Jesus' Risen Body for the (Converted to USE).
Man "Prepared" to Do WORKS, to spread Gods Word, (man freely giving/(charity), to the poor in spirit) effecting, Glorifying Gods Great Name.
Gods "Promise" of NO appointment of WRATH. (To the converted).
God "Promises", "REWARDS", (treasures IN Heaven) to the Coverted man (on Earth) WHO, does Works to Glorify Gods Great Name.
Gods "Promise" of: Marriage Ajoining to their Lord, Seeing their Lord God (as He is), Land inheritance, Occupation in Lords Earthly Kingdom, Co-reigning With their Lord.
Seeing, Rejoicing, Rewards Distributed, WHEN the Son of Man returns.
Gods "Promise" of Judgement.
Gods "Promise" of "shall be saved Fulfilled BEFORE mans Physical DEATH".


No... Evangelicals and OSAS believers ...
do NOT Teach "Justification" First.

* God Himself established His ORDER and WAY.
God Himself GAVE to men OF the World His ORDER and WAY.

* Men OF the World have FREEWILL to hear and learn and Heartfully ACCEPT the Lord Gods Offering, OR NOT.

James 2:

[20] But wilt thou know, O "vain man", that faith without works is dead?

RIGHT ON!!
FAITH "with" a man...WITHOUT GODS WORKS "IN" the man....IS DEAD!

Faith...(a gift from God)...CAN be WITH a man, and then NOT be WITH a man, Because a man by his own FREEWILL...CAN STOP HEARING, BELIEVING, and WILL STOP receiving Gods increased gift of FAITH.

No WORKS of a man, CAN SAVE the man.
(A vain man, to rely on his own "works"!)

Faith...(a gift from God)...THAT continues "WITH" a man, BY mans EFFORTS to continue....is the mans AGREEMENT, Confession (Freely Giving God Authority) to BECOME "MADE" CONVERTED...
BECOMES CONVERTED "BY GODS WORKS".

So absolutely... a mans gift of Faith WITHOUT Gods WORKS IN a man...IS DEAD.

God WORKS IN a man establishes....
ONCE and FOREVER...God WITH "and" IN a man.

THEN is that man JUSTIFIED, "to BE Raised IN Glory" holy whole, body, soul, spirit.
^ Gods Works!

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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That's Ms. Wuss... to you

Stop picking on me.....go to your “ beach” and build a Snowman or something....”His Life” has built several this season....he can help you with design ideas....perhaps build a snowman that is doing “ good works” .....lol.....
 
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Hi... This is ADDY.... I can't reply to BB's message because I'm at the beach at the moment... trying to build a snowman out of SAND...

BB is BORED with the forums.... ( rumour has it )... and so he has stooped to the lowest level of picking on this poor little lamb.

Yesterday I made a comment regarding the "colouring"... of the smiley guy :D... It was a simple question and well... I was told that he was CREATED that way and that he would STAY that way.... AS if!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please leave a message..... If this is BB.... I will meet you at Penzu... which you are apparently UNABLE to find... HAHAHAHAHA
 
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I have no wish to hear any of it. I will put all of you on my ignore list, and possibly look for another forum, or maybe not even bother. I am sick to death of the way people ignore those scriptures that disprove what they are saying, cherry pick other scriptures and mangle everything up until it becomes unrecognisable. All the cults do it.
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Go ahead and put us on ignore. You will be held accountable for your lack of faith in God and trying to make his GIFT of life a reward that can be earned.

You may be sick of us. But thats fine. The pharisees were sick of Christ teaching the same grace we teach, in fact they crucified him for it. Guess what. He loved them and died for them. He loved you and died for you also. So I will love you and pray for you.

But if your going to continue to slander us and attach us because you have no idea what we believe. Then I must wash the dust off my feet also.

You call me a cult. what do you think you belong to? Your cult has been around for a few thousand years.
 
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If it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace

If grace must be maintained by our work. it is not grace.

The fact we still walk this earth is but the grace of God. God could snap his fingers and give us all what we deserve.

Its sad you think you deserve anything other than Hell..
 

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* WARNING *
A five minute read. If that is too much for anyone...Scroll on by.


You bypass "beginning" FACTS.
*You begin with "YOUR
FACT." (For others).
*Then "ADD another" ERROR.
*To establish "your" conclusion

* the Beginning FACTS: Per; (in brief)
...Evangelical, Evangelicalism;
* FIXED Objective;
...Bible
...Emphasis Gospel
...Hearing Jesus' Doctrine, Jesus' Promises, Spreading His Good news;
...(now & future), Heartful Belief, Confession, Conversion, Forgiveness, Holy Spirit Baptism, Personal "WITH and IN" Relationship with the Lord God, Peace, Eternal Life, (no wrath), Risen Up, Kingdom on Earth, (Knowledge & Understanding "according to" the Lord God).

* Your Fact; "Do you believe Jesus died for your sins and arose? Yes...if you have confessed this-you are saved..."

* Scriptural FACT;
[
9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

*
Your added Error;
"all you do is mentally believe"

* Scriptural Fact;

Rom 10
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

* Your Conclusion
"Osas start with Justification..."

* Scriptural Fact;
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Rom 10:

[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



A Foundation in "Gods Truth" IS Gods Established "Order and WAY".

John 14
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

* Knowledge given to man.
Hearing First. (Gods Word)
Believing. (Receiving Faith from God.)
Agreeing to give his life, bodily, soul, spirit to Gods Authority.
Confessing. (HEARTFUL belief), shall be saved

* Lord Gods WORKS ~
Making available His True Word of Knowledge.
Gifting Faith for Hearing His True Word.
Accepting mans HEARTFUL confession of;
....a man HEARTFULLY believing His Word.
Accepting mans Dead Body, crucified with Christ. (Verified BY God, who searches the mans Heart)
Forgiving the man for having "had" Disbelief (Sin Against God).
Restoring mans soul, back to Very good, (Saved unto God.)
Giving man Gods SEED.(gift of a pure Seed)
Re-Birth mans spirit, from Gods Seed.
BAPTISM of Gods Holy SPIRIT, (Gods Spirit, Light, internal IN A MAN, Covers a mans forgiven sin, that it be SEEN no more.) (covering).
Set Gods SEAL upon that man.(Kings mark)
Set that man Apart unto God (sanctification).
Promise to Raise mans body. (Justification).
That mans body, soul, spirit IN "FAITH-FULLNESS" ( SAVED, BY GODS WORKS, and Kept) by the supreme Power of God. (Freed from sin).
God giving Jesus' Risen Body for the (Converted to USE).
Man "Prepared" to Do WORKS, to spread Gods Word, (man freely giving/(charity), to the poor in spirit) effecting, Glorifying Gods Great Name.
Gods "Promise" of NO appointment of WRATH. (To the converted).
God "Promises", "REWARDS", (treasures IN Heaven) to the Coverted man (on Earth) WHO, does Works to Glorify Gods Great Name.
Gods "Promise" of: Marriage Ajoining to their Lord, Seeing their Lord God (as He is), Land inheritance, Occupation in Lords Earthly Kingdom, Co-reigning With their Lord.
Seeing, Rejoicing, Rewards Distributed, WHEN the Son of Man returns.
Gods "Promise" of Judgement.
Gods "Promise" of "shall be saved Fulfilled BEFORE mans Physical DEATH".


No... Evangelicals and OSAS believers ...
do NOT Teach "Justification" First.

* God Himself established His ORDER and WAY.
God Himself GAVE to men OF the World His ORDER and WAY.

* Men OF the World have FREEWILL to hear and learn and Heartfully ACCEPT the Lord Gods Offering, OR NOT.

James 2:

[20] But wilt thou know, O "vain man", that faith without works is dead?

RIGHT ON!!
FAITH "with" a man...WITHOUT GODS WORKS "IN" the man....IS DEAD!

Faith...(a gift from God)...CAN be WITH a man, and then NOT be WITH a man, Because a man by his own FREEWILL...CAN STOP HEARING, BELIEVING, and WILL STOP receiving Gods increased gift of FAITH.

No WORKS of a man, CAN SAVE the man.
(A vain man, to rely on his own "works"!)

Faith...(a gift from God)...THAT continues "WITH" a man, BY mans EFFORTS to continue....is the mans AGREEMENT, Confession (Freely Giving God Authority) to BECOME "MADE" CONVERTED...
BECOMES CONVERTED "BY GODS WORKS".

So absolutely... a mans gift of Faith WITHOUT Gods WORKS IN a man...IS DEAD.

God WORKS IN a man establishes....
ONCE and FOREVER...God WITH "and" IN a man.

THEN is that man JUSTIFIED, "to BE Raised IN Glory" holy whole, body, soul, spirit.
^ Gods Works!

Glory to God,
Taken


It took me 8 minutes to read that. ( I was Home- Schooled ). Lol......just a joke.....
 

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"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 15:57-58)

We give thanks to God; of course!

And when you’re abounding in the work of the Lord you are in fact not committing sins!

When you meditate on the word night and day you are not committing sins!

When you are reading the precious holy word of God you are not committing sins!

When you have a mind to suffer wrongfully as Christ did you are not committing sins!

So when do you find the time to sin my friend?
We sure thank God for a lot of good things. But do you thank God for saving you and keeping you saved? I do.

Or would you rather thank yourself for choosing Him and so was saved and for enduring and so keep yourself saved?

That’s not a difficult question for you, or is it?

Tong
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From the link:

This is true in part because of the recklessness of some of the hyper-grace teachers that say a person can live any way they want because their past, present and future sins have already been forgiven once a person asks Jesus into their hearts
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Who says that? I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever say that.

Not to mention, it disregards the difference between the child of Adam and the child of God, the old man, and the new man, flesh and spirit, in saying, any way you want.

Let's say for sake of argument, you happen to commit a sin. A work of the flesh. Is that the way you want to be? Does the fact that you've committed a sin mean that you want to be a sinner? I'm thinking you want to not sin. Of course!

argumentum ad absurdum
We believe that sin will not cost our salvation so therefore we teach that you can just sin whatever sin you want with our blessing!


Much love!
 

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"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 15:57-58)

We give thanks to God; of course!

And when you’re abounding in the work of the Lord you are in fact not committing sins!

When you meditate on the word night and day you are not committing sins!

When you are reading the precious holy word of God you are not committing sins!

When you have a mind to suffer wrongfully as Christ did you are not committing sins!

So when do you find the time to sin my friend?
I would say . . . when you are stedfast in your trust in the total efficacy of Jesus Christ's death on the cross, that all sin is forever forgiven you, that your trust opens you to receive the power of God through His Holy Spirit, for you to walk in the Spirit, doing His works and not your own.

Much love!
 

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If it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace

If grace must be maintained by our work. it is not grace.

The fact we still walk this earth is but the grace of God. God could snap his fingers and give us all what we deserve.

Its sad you think you deserve anything other than Hell..
I saw this when I looked at the posts on ignore and felt I must respond. A mistake many people make is to think that the work we do maintains God's given grace. That is not so. God's grace is independent of any work we might do. Otherwise, the millions of wonderful volunteers who have not accepted Christ as their saviour would be filled with God's grace, but God's grace does not extend to the unbeliever. What it means is that the indwelling Christ who is the light of the world can be seen in the outpouring of God's already indwelling grace in his servants through the love and compassion they extend to others.
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I saw this when I looked at the posts on ignore and felt I must respond. A mistake many people make is to think that the work we do maintains God's given grace. That is not so. God's grace is independent of any work we might do. Otherwise, the millions of wonderful volunteers who have not accepted Christ as their saviour would be filled with God's grace, but God's grace does not extend to the unbeliever. What it means is that the indwelling Christ who is the light of the world can be seen in the outpouring of God's already indwelling grace in his servants through the love and compassion they extend to others.
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I was thinking about something like this...
And it comes down to -"humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time"

Who is running my life? WILL IT BE ME or God?
Jesus came and served under the Father...He definitely humbled Himself...
But He "lived" meaning had sustaining Life by doing the Fathers will. He said it Himself, I always do what is pleasing to the Father and the father never leaves me alone....

I love that passage...I love being around Him...and that teaches me something...to submit myself to God...It is a living sacrifice that allows our hearts,souls to be changed.

Amazing grace indeed! The word of God is amazing my spouse had said something to me a while ago....like: read the Bible looking for what God wants you to do, and how you can please Him. I really like that...

Anyway I can say I love the Lord, when I want to do what pleases Him.....For He loved us and did what was best for us....Just the mere thought of Him creating us in His image and wanting us to share in His life....is tearing....God is sweet...
 
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Thinking about it I wonder did He give His life
In order that we give ours back?

That is heavy...

A life, for a life......

I heard a story once about a boy that robbed and stole...and didn't care about selling drugs to others that hurt them....when asked why He did it: He said, no one ever cared about Him.

So this is reminding me why we are to love...For people learn love when it is shown to them....As always God is right...when He teaches us to turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, or not to repay evil with evil....
We love Him because He first loved us.
 
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