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[Cooper]

Post# 3808
Unless he does this:

"…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:26)

No more regeneration for you.

There’s no coming back for seconds!

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)

O' Lord open their eyes.
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[Ziggy]

he who believes is not condemned
he who does not believe is condemned already

Jesus said what the fathers will was.

John 6: 8 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

While yes, He will willing that non should perish, He will force his gift of eternal life on no one. He will save only those who have true saving faith and recieve. As john said

12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

How many did the Father give to the Son?
How many eyes shall see him?
How many will confess that Jesus is Lord?

I was thinking about Thomas. And Jesus said something... I'll find it..

Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

So let's flip that. We live in an age where we walk by faith and not by sight.
And yet somewhere in the future every eye shall see and every knee shall bow.

Jesus told Thomas because he has seen, he believes.
I believe there will be a lot of Thomas's in the future.

And what is that condemnation?
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So this condemnation is being reproved.
What does that mean?
God just throws them away? God ignores them?

What does it mean to have ones deeds reproved?
And if they are evil and lost forever, why bother reproving them.

what is reproving?

Thank You @Eternally Grateful

HUGS

 

[Corlove13]

Post# 3808



Unless he does this:

"…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 10:26)

No more regeneration for you.

There’s no coming back for seconds!

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)

Hi, you know...I do not agree here
In my opinion brother-teacher
the willfull sin here is to go back under the Law after receiving knowledge of the truth.
In that case there is no animal sacrifices that remain.
There is no repentance when you reject the one who forgiveness comes through.
More so He is telling them why they need to move forward in the faith.

So in my opinion the willfull sin is rejecting Christ. For repentance and forgiveness of sin was to be preached in His name.

Bbl

 

[Corlove13]

How many did the Father give to the Son?
How many eyes shall see him?
How many will confess that Jesus is Lord?

I was thinking about Thomas. And Jesus said something... I'll find it..

Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

So let's flip that. We live in an age where we walk by faith and not by sight.
And yet somewhere in the future every eye shall see and every knee shall bow.

Jesus told Thomas because he has seen, he believes.
I believe there will be a lot of Thomas's in the future.

And what is that condemnation?
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

So this condemnation is being reproved.
What does that mean?
God just throws them away? God ignores them?

What does it mean to have ones deeds reproved?
And if they are evil and lost forever, why bother reproving them.

what is reproving?

Thank You @Eternally Grateful

HUGS

Corrected? Maybe

 

[marks]

In my opinion brother-teacher
the willfull sin here is to go back under the Law after receiving knowledge of the truth.

Why wouldn't you think of "wilfull sin" as just that, "wilfull sin"? Why change it to something else?

I can never understand why people do that.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

OH.... BB is in da house... I can go to the beach now... it STOPPED RAINING.....

You live in Canada.....that ain’t “ rain” .......it’s snow.....no different than New Zealand....Lol..

 

[amigo de christo]

You live in Canada.....that ain’t “ rain” .......it’s snow.....no different than New Zealand....Lol..

BB , i have a request . From here on out let us bring all reminders of JESUS and the apostles .
Anytime one brings reminders , whether they warnings or not , let them get said .
You all would be suprised at how often JESUS and the apostles and then JESUS even from Heaven would remind the churches
CONTINUE TO THE END , FAITHFUL TO JESUS . So why is that attacked today . I want you to PONDER on that .

 

[HisLife]

BB , i have a request . From here on out let us bring all reminders of JESUS and the apostles .
Anytime one brings reminders , whether they warnings or not , let them get said .
You all would be suprised at how often JESUS and the apostles and then JESUS even from Heaven would remind the churches
CONTINUE TO THE END , FAITHFUL TO JESUS . So why is that attacked today . I want you to PONDER on that .

Yep all warnings

Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[HisLife]

Anything that is born can die, including the born-again soul. Matthew 10:28


See What is spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org

Not when it is Born with Gods Spirit because Gods Spirit cannot Die

The last line in the article you posted explains

The book of Revelation speaks of a “second death,” which is a final (and eternal) separation from God. Only those who have never experienced new life in Christ will partake of the second death

Did you read and understand that part?

When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that believers are "sealed for the day of redemption." If believers did not have eternal security, the sealing could not truly be unto the day of redemption, but only to the day of sinning

tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If a person were to be promised eternal life, but then have it taken away, it was never "eternal" to begin with. If eternal security is not true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.


Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep all warnings

Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Yep . ALL warnings . That one too . So let none have unity with the RCC who preachers another gospel .
Lets all remember that before we go running into lets just get along and find common ground . Very good that you brought that up .
For even john says , IF one brings not this gospel , this teaching , DONT even let them in your house .
SO why is nar and most every evangelical leader , calling for us to just have unity .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yep all warnings

Galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord JESUS and shall believe from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead
you shall be saved .

 

[Ziggy]

Ever wish you could just be sitting in the loft listening to what the Apostles were preaching?
Or one of those on the Mount of Olives listening to Jesus' sermon?

Imagine what the world would be like if they never wrote any letters at all, or the Gospels.

I think the Bible would call it blackness of darkness...
or the depths of despair.

Because of them we have this Hope.
We have truth and direction.

We spend so much time arguing over it too.. instead of embracing the words we've been given.


sorry I didn't mean to interupt..
it was just a thought came in my head and I was visiting this page and dropped it here in your laps..
LOL

anyhwoo carry on
HUGS

 

[amigo de christo]

Ever wish you could just be sitting in the loft listening to what the Apostles were preaching?
Or one of those on the Mount of Olives listening to Jesus' sermon?

Imagine what the world would be like if they never wrote any letters at all, or the Gospels.

I think the Bible would call it blackness of darkness...
or the depths of despair.

Because of them we have this Hope.
We have truth and direction.

We spend so much time arguing over it too.. instead of embracing the words we've been given.


sorry I didn't mean to interupt..
it was just a thought came in my head and I was visiting this page and dropped it here in your laps..
LOL

anyhwoo carry on
HUGS

You made a good point though dear sister . WHY cant we just all bring ALL of HIS teachings .
WHY do some warnings scare some folks so much . WHy omit ANYTHING HE taught
or the apostels taught . TRUTH is , why dont we drop all acroynms and teachings of men
for one month and just bring all the reminders in the bible , from the gosple all through revelation .
Did you know , my dear sister , on another site i used to bring
just JESUS sayings and the apostels sayings . YET was often attacked by those who held to an acroynm .
I Mean if we BELONG TO JESUS , why would we have attacked HIS REMINDERS .
THINK I might just return to doing just that . WATCH SISTER . watch WHO attacks those sayings .
I see every warning , every word , every promise and every reminder as NOT ONLY GOOD FOR OUR SOUL
but as SPIRIT INSPIRED . Thus why would we omit any of it . WHY would we twist any of it .
ITS all for our good . You are loved dear sister .

 

[HisLife]

That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord JESUS and shall believe from the heart that GOD has rose Him from the dead
you shall be saved .

Here The Gospel message to the whole world

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.


Romans 10:9 is a nice verse for sure, But using that as your Gospel example what does the shall be saved mean to you?

 

[Ziggy]

I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received

if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you

I would of liked to have heard the preaching Paul says he preached.
He's telling them to remember something...
And we have the summary of it.

Like when he says.. we will talk more when we are face to face...
I would of liked to been there to hear the rest of it.

 

[HisLife]

I would of liked to have heard the preaching Paul says he preached.
He's telling them to remember something...
And we have the summary of it.

Like when he says.. we will talk more when we are face to face...
I would of liked to been there to hear the rest of it.

Yea The part you left out of the quote...unless ye have believed in vain. 1 corinthians 15:2, Most of the church period in the New Testament is from Paul, Its what we are meant to follow

 

[HisLife]

You made a good point though dear sister . WHY cant we just all bring ALL of HIS teachings .
WHY do some warnings scare some folks so much . WHy omit ANYTHING HE taught
or the apostels taught . TRUTH is , why dont we drop all acroynms and teachings of men
for one month and just bring all the reminders in the bible , from the gosple all through revelation .
Did you know , my dear sister , on another site i used to bring
just JESUS sayings and the apostels sayings . YET was often attacked by those who held to an acroynm .
I Mean if we BELONG TO JESUS , why would we have attacked HIS REMINDERS .
THINK I might just return to doing just that . WATCH SISTER . watch WHO attacks those sayings .
I see every warning , every word , every promise and every reminder as NOT ONLY GOOD FOR OUR SOUL
but as SPIRIT INSPIRED . Thus why would we omit any of it . WHY would we twist any of it .
ITS all for our good . You are loved dear sister .

Why Do you think Jesus Teachings and warnings scare folks around here. Do they scare you, Why do you have that frame of mind, has anyone actually told you they are scared of Jesus or his teachings, so much talk of attack, What is your big battle over?

 

[Ziggy]

Yea The part you left out of the quote...unless ye have believed in vain. 1 corinthians 15:2, Most of the church period in the New Testament is from Paul, Its what we are meant to follow

I follow Jesus...
Paul's letters are an expansion of what Jesus taught.

I just would of liked to have been a fly on the wall to hear the arguments.
I'm sure there was a few.

 

[HisLife]

I follow Jesus...
Paul's letters are an expansion of what Jesus taught.

I just would of liked to have been a fly on the wall to hear the arguments.
I'm sure there was a few.

Paul revealed a mystery, An offer of Grace, there are still arguments to this day But it is not optional, Its For the church

Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Not when it is Born with Gods Spirit because Gods Spirit cannot Die

The last line in the article you posted explains

The book of Revelation speaks of a “second death,” which is a final (and eternal) separation from God. Only those who have never experienced new life in Christ will partake of the second death

Did you read and understand that part?

When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that believers are "sealed for the day of redemption." If believers did not have eternal security, the sealing could not truly be unto the day of redemption, but only to the day of sinning

tells us that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If a person were to be promised eternal life, but then have it taken away, it was never "eternal" to begin with. If eternal security is not true, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.


Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

A Masterpiece . Thank you very much...There are certain posts that I copy and paste and send them to a special file in my e- mail .....This is one of them ...