new version of OSAS?

[HisLife]

Does this help you understand where I am coming from...?

I would hope Not.... Because you said

Hmmm? Did I judge you or what you said? Possibly I disagreed. I certainly do that with people at times. I try not to judge finally leaving that in the hands of God where it belongs.

Its an important topic, this is what I said that you possibly disagreed with? this is what you responded to

By the way, if someone is born again they are Children of God, My point you refuse to acknowledge is that you are saying a (Born Again) child of God can be thrown into hell, you even said Yes, So why the denial in the first place, The First Step of the Gospel In 1 corinthians 15 is that Jesus Died for Christians Sins, We could discuss the First line of the gospel Message, maybe we should start there?

The discussion was on the topic of will God throw a born again Child into Hell, I said no So What is it you possibly disagreed with? Or that you choose to respond too from above?, wanting to discuss the Gospel Message? saying God wont throw his children in to Hell? Jesus Died for Christians Sins I would really like to know

Again, I presented my views on some things in the way I understand them trying not to purposely offend anyone. Of course, some people take offense because I disagree. You made some statements here which do not communicate a purpose here for me so I do not understand them or why they were directed at me. Take care in the Lord!

Give God the glory!

Im More than Fine if you disagree but at least say plainly What, The topic you choose and possibly disagreed tells me everything I need to know, But if there is something you disagree and want to talk plainly about you let me know, because it is a very important topic there is no point beating around the bush or hiding things, Happy to discuss what you possibly disagree with when you are ready to communicate your purpose clearly, If not you take care also

 

[amadeus]

I would hope Not.... Because you said

Its an important topic, this is what I said that you possibly disagreed with? this is what you responded to

By the way, if someone is born again they are Children of God, My point you refuse to acknowledge is that you are saying a child of God can be thrown into hell, you even said Yes, So why the denial in the first place, The First Step of the Gospel In 1 corinthians 15 is that Jesus Died for Christians Sins, We could discuss the First line of the gospel Message, maybe we should start there?

The discussion was on the topic of will God throw a born again Child into Hell, I said no So What is it you possibly disagreed with? Or that you choose to respond too from above?, wanting to discuss the Gospel Message? saying God wont throw his children in to Hell? Jesus Died for Christians Sins I would really like to know

Im More than Fine if you disagree but at least say plainly What, The topic you choose and possibly disagreed tells me everything I need to know, But if there is something you disagree and want to talk plainly about you let me know, because it is a very important topic there is no point beating around the bush or hiding things, Happy to discuss what you possibly disagree with when you are you ready to communicate your purpose clearly, If not you take care also

I do not hide what I believe.

Sorry but I have not less than three life [physical and spiritual] threatening situations my wife and I are dealing with now concerning people who need both prayer as well as physical help, which are pressing us for time. At 77 I run out stamina quickly and my wife is less able than me to do what is needed, so for now I will simply say that I do oppose the direction of many who support a OSAS belief. If I had the time and was not already exhausted today I could write a book covering your posts to me. Would a book help? Perhaps not. So for the moment I must leave you. You might pray for us. You might check the prayer forum.

 

[HisLife]

I do not hide what I believe.

Sorry but I have not less than three life [physical and spiritual] threatening situations my wife and I are dealing with now concerning people who need both prayer as well as physical help, which are pressing us for time. At 77 I run out stamina quickly and my wife is less able than me to do what is needed, so for now I will simply say that I do oppose the direction of many who support a OSAS belief. If I had the time and was not already exhausted today I could write a book covering your posts to me. Would a book help? Perhaps not. So for the moment I must leave you. You might pray for us. You might check the prayer forum.

I don't either friend, I say what I believe you're Free to test it and it Doesnt mean we need to agree, but to me this topic is life or death, It has nothing to do With OSAS, It has everything to do with been born again, I could write a Book on my position as well, I'm sure we would find many things to disagree about at the end of the Day Only God has all the answers, I will wish you all the best, Sorry to hear of your situations, I would like to help any way I can, I will head over there now Thanks, and Take care

 

[Cooper]

I don't either friend, I say what I believe you're Free to test it and it Doesnt mean we need to agree, but to me this topic is life or death, It has nothing to do With OSAS, It has everything to do with been born again, I could write a Book on my position as well, I'm sure we would find many things to disagree about at the end of the Day Only God has all the answers, I will wish you all the best, Sorry to hear of your situations, I would like to help any way I can, I will head over there now Thanks, and Take care

Anything that is born can die, including the born-again soul. Matthew 10:28

See What is spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org
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[BloodBought 1953]

Anything that is born can die, including the born-again soul. Matthew 10:28

See What is spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org
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“ and this is LIFE EVERLASTING....that you Believe on Him.....”

 

[Cooper]

“ and this is LIFE EVERLASTING....that you Believe on Him.....”

What happens if you stop believing never to return?
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[Corlove13]

Warning is TO those WHO outright reject or are believing, but not yet Saved.

The Warning to NOT FALL AWAY, does not apply to the Saved. The Sav-ED, can not fall away. A sav-ED person is already Forgiven and Justified.

Luke 15:
[7] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons , which need no repentance.

A Sav-ED person has Work they can DO to glorify God... KEEP SPEAKING HIS WORD.
(The very same work Jesus sent His faithful disciples to do.)

God Bless,
Taken

The Warning to NOT FALL AWAY, does not apply to the Saved. The Sav-ED, can not fall away. A sav-ED person is already Forgiven and Justified.

Justification was for things concerning this life....How many times was Abraham justified..and please answer this....What was Abraham Justified for?

Receiving the Spirit....In EPHESIANS 2 is where one is quickened with Christ.

But what are they quickened for? [That's if one has been quickened here, born from above with life]
Is the quickening for heaven when you die, before getting heaven in you now?

Therefore I do not agree....because God wants to save the whole being....body, soul, and Spirit....

And if your heart is not changed how can the body be?

Yet, yes agreed one received the Spirit...where they were dead...

But salvation is a life....it is continually feasting off Him..recall Jesus said, man cannot live by bread alone....

Physically one might say...we need water, air, and the Sun to live....and Spiritually one might say you need the Father,son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus told His peeps to go make learners by Baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.....and lo I will be with you until (my words/until the Job is done) until the end of the age....[don't quote me...]

Any way what I am trying to say is...if it's about getting heaven in a person now....then won't life after death take care of itself?

 

[Cooper]

The Warning to NOT FALL AWAY, does not apply to the Saved. The Sav-ED, can not fall away. A sav-ED person is already Forgiven and Justified.

Justification was for things concerning this life....How many times was Abraham justified..and please answer this....What was Abraham Justified for?

Receiving the Spirit....In EPHESIANS 2 is where one is quickened with Christ.

But what are they quickened for? [That's if one has been quickened here, born from above with life]
Is the quickening for heaven when you die, before getting heaven in you now?

Therefore I do not agree....because God wants to save the whole being....body, soul, and Spirit....

And if your heart is not changed how can the body be?

Yet, yes agreed one received the Spirit...where they were dead...

But salvation is a life....it is continually feasting off Him..recall Jesus said, man cannot live by bread alone....

Physically one might say...we need water, air, and the Sun to live....and Spiritually one might say you need the Father,son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus told His peeps to go make learners by Baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.....and lo I will be with you until (my words/until the Job is done) until the end of the age....[don't quote me...]

Any way what I am trying to say is...if it's about getting heaven in a person now....then won't life after death take care of itself?

The unsaved cannot fall from grace.
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[Corlove13]

The unsaved cannot fall from grace.
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Smile

 

[Corlove13]

What I am saying is the Whole teachings and ideals that come with the Osas doctrine crumbles.. With what scripture states in:

Titus 2
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

In green does it say He gave Himself up so that we have heaven when we die? Even though that is essentially important.

So what does it say......>He gave Himself up That He may redeem us from all iniquity.......



The doctrine of OSAS teaches that He died so that you can go to heaven when you die....And even going to heaven when you die is essentially important......

It's about getting the "hell" out of us. And getting heaven in us now....

So.....question What is quickened when you are born from above?

 

[Corlove13]

What I am saying is the Whole teachings and ideals that come with the Osas doctrine crumbles.. With what scripture states in:

Titus 2
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

In green does it say He have Himself up so that we have heaven when we die? Even though that is essentially important.

So what does it say......>He gave Himself up That He may redeem us from all iniquity.......



The doctrine of OSAS teaches that He died so that you can go to heaven when you die....And even going to heaven when you die is essentially important......

It's about getting the "hell" out of us. And getting heaven in us now....

So.....question What is quickened when you are born from above?

If the Holy Spirit quickens our spirit and we are made alive by it.

What else can be quickened? Read Romans 8
at the very end...and the beginning I believe of the next chapter.

What does Paul say....who will save us from this body of death...

And recall....this passage 1 Thess 5:23
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Corlove13]

Another passage....that makes the ideals that come with the teachings crumble is in 1John 3

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Why was the son manifested?◇read the above.
So then you are given His Spirit...that saved you from being dead in order to defeat the works of the devil...in this life, where by you are saved (delivered) from actual sins of the body .

Correct me if I am wrong...

 

[Cooper]

Another passage....that makes the ideals that come with the teachings crumble is in 1John 3

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Why was the son manifested?◇read the above.
So then you are given His Spirit...that saved you from being dead in order to defeat the works of the devil...in this life, where by you are saved (delivered) from actual sin of the body .

Correct me if I am wrong...

You only give half the story. It is true we are saved by the grace of God, and that is wonderful. So keep looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith or else ..... What Does the Bible Say About Fall From Grace?

Those scriptures give both sides of the coin and most are wonderful, but there are a few verses that warn about the dangers of falling away, so the message is to keep trusting in God and be sure not to fall away.
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[Addy]

Ha... what's the odds... both posters that are on at this hour... have me on IGNORE... Guess I will just
clean the room... wash the floor... do the dishes... and bake cookies... LOL

 

[Corlove13]

You only give half the story. It is true we are saved by the grace of God, and that is wonderful. So keep looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith or else ..... What Does the Bible Say About Fall From Grace?

Those scriptures give both sides of the coin and most are wonderful, but there are a few verses that warn about the dangers of falling away, so the message is to keep trusting in God and be sure not to fall away.
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If through the thread I state salvation is about life now, through trusting Jesus....and continue to point out believeth...meaning to continue to rely on...I do not believe...I'm expressing one side of the coin...that is what the major of my post have been about..

I can't say everything I do not mean or mean in every post...I am hoping we are following the thread...

 

[Taken]

Taken said: The Warning to NOT FALL AWAY, does not apply to the Saved. The Sav-ED, can not fall away. A sav-ED person is already Forgiven and Justified.

Justification was for things concerning this life....How many times was Abraham justified..and please answer this....What was Abraham Justified for?

Abraham Justified for?
I would say Abraham Abram was Justified for Being "accounted" Righteous for his Belief in the LORD.

Gen 15:
[6] And he (Abram) believed in the LORD; and he (God) counted it to him (Abram) for righteousness.

How many times was Abram Justified?
ONCE.

Gen 17:
[5] Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Receiving the Spirit....In EPHESIANS 2 is where one is quickened with Christ.

Yes. An offering God gave to men, WHEN God SENT men "Gods Word" to be Seen and Heard, in the Likeness of men, "Called Jesus"...
TO Offer men
Forgiveness for Disbelief;
Salvation of their soul;
Quickening of their spirit;
Once and Forever BEFORE their Physical Death

But what are they quickened for? [That's if one has been quickened here, born from above with life]

* It SECURES...Gods Own inheritance.
(Which Gods inheritance IS a converted man)
* It SECURES...a mans Ever lasting life (with his Lord God Almighty)
* It PREPARES...a man with the MEANS to DO WORKS that Glorify Gods Great name. (Which all works that do glorify God, IS rewarded By God).

Is the quickening for heaven when you die, before getting heaven in you now?

The QUICKENING (rebirth of ones natural spirit to A spiritual spirit) IS;
* For the benefit of a mans Natural body while still naturally alive on Earth.
* For the benefit of the mans "spirit" to be with God in Heaven, when the mans Natural body, Naturally dies, and is returning to dust.
* For when the mans body, IS Spiritually risen in Glory, It's spiritual spirit reimparted in its Spiritually risen Body.

Therefore I do not agree....because God wants to save the whole being....body, soul, and Spirit....

You do not agree...

because God wants to save the whole being....body, soul, and Spirit....

Scipture does not teach THAT ^.
* The body is corrupt, God requires the body's Death, not saving it, killing it.
* The soul in a corrupt body, becomes corrupt, and that IS what God desires TO SAVE.
* The natural spirit of man, is the natural truth of man in his heart. God desires a mans natural truth, be REBORN, with Gods Seed, Gods Spiritual Truth.

* God wants to Kill, the Body, Save the soul, and Rebith the spirit.

And if your heart is not changed how can the body be?

Never said it could.

Any way what I am trying to say is...if it's about getting heaven in a person now....then won't life after death take care of itself?

It's about exactly what Scripture teaches.
Man IS a bodily Form, of dust, dies, returns to dust.
* Body's Do not "GO" TO Heaven.
Man's bodily Form, is brought into a living state, by Gods Breath, thus calling a man...
* A Living soul.
Living Souls depart out of dying physical bodies.
Living Souls go to where they ARE SENT or Taken.
(Sent to Hell or Taken to Heaven).
* Spirits of man, ARE or ARE not quickened (reborn), by the seed of God.
Quickened spirits of man depart out of physical dying bodies and are Taken to Heaven, and rest in Gods Hand.
(Non quickened natural spirits of man, die, with the mans physical body, and return to earth.)

Body's of Saved men and their Quickened spirits...Do not go to Heaven. Earth IS their habitat, their Estate....In the future...the barrier (firmament) between Heaven and Earth, shall be opened.
For lack of quoting Scripture, Essentially, Heaven and Earth shall no longer be Separated.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Corlove13]

You only give half the story. It is true we are saved by the grace of God, and that is wonderful. So keep looking to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith or else ..... What Does the Bible Say About Fall From Grace?

Those scriptures give both sides of the coin and most are wonderful, but there are a few verses that warn about the dangers of falling away, so the message is to keep trusting in God and be sure not to fall away.
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All you have to do is read post 3792 THE ONE B4 THIS EVEN..I DON'T SAY IT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS: ABIDETH

How can you miss what Is being said in most of all my post?

 

[Corlove13]

@Taken
Read the post I wrote directly after...I answer many of my own questions......and Romans about saving the body....

Abraham was Justified at least 3 times...I WILL SHARE PASSAGES

What you are lumping is Justification as all of salvation.

Regeneration comes before Justification..however
Through The eyes of OSAS...because I have been there.....Because one starts with this Foundation of: "Believe Jesus died for your sins and you have heaven when you die",

instead of Believing, putting Confidence in the one who died ...shedding His blood and arose for our Justification....

They filter understanding through that doctrine of Osas. MAKING THE BELIEF IN THE DOCTRINE ITSELF THE GOSPEL.
AND BELIEVING OSAS IS SOMETHING YOU DO IN ORDER TO BE SAVED....

ASKED YOURSELF IF YOU STOP BELIEVING OSAS ARE YOU SAVED?

IF SO YOU ARE LIKE A PHARASEE, AND LEGALISTIC....YOU ARE DEPENDING ON A BELIEF SYSTEM TO BE SAVED...[WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU DO TO BE SAVED] RATHER THAN TRUSTING JESUS AS THE FOUNDATION


If one trust Jesus as son of God, ruler, maker, creator of all things, Lord, King........etc..THEN HE IS BORN FROM ABOVE.......

THEREFORE REGENERATION IS THE KICK OFF...
THESE PEOPLE RECEIVED LIFE AND THEY KNEW IT.......IT WAS A PERCEIVED REALITY.

AND THEY MUST REMAIN IN THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST...RELYING ON WHO HE IS "LORD"

THE QUESTION FOR US[BEING ONES WHO WERE EVANGELIZED THIS WAY IS: WE SAY HE IS SAVIOR BUT CAN WE SAY HE IS LORD...

AND THE KEY IS FIRST YOU TRUST HIM AS LORD.....THEN THE REST FOLLOWS...

BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVE WHO HE IS....WITH INTENT TO FOLLOW YOU KNOW YOU WERE BORN FROM ABOVE...

NOW THAT WE RECEIVED[THOSE BORN FROM ABOVE] THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT...WE ARE NO LONGER ENSLAVED TO SERVE THE FLESH....WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION......THE SPIRIT, OUR NEW NATURE.

AND WHO YOU OBEY, YOU ARE A SERVANT TO.....EITHER THE SPIRIT...> LIFE AND PEACE OR THE FLESH >DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

 

[Addy]

All these word GAMES... oh my goodness... I'm to the point of Just give me JESUS... and you all just go away so I can actually ENJOY HIM.

 

[Cooper]

All you have to do is read post 3792 THE ONE B4 THIS EVEN..I DON'T SAY IT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS: ABIDETH

How can you miss what Is being said in most of all my post?

If I am missing something I am sorry and I apologise. All of scripture says it best. God knows our hearts and innermost thoughts, so let us trust in Him all the days of our life, following in His footsteps wherever He leads, and I shall see you all in glory, and we will have a good old chat. I pray God's richest blessing on you. Amen.
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