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Imperishable seed is not the cross..it’s the Living Holy Spirit..looking to the cross, and believing Jesus died on that cross, they must be Born Again of imperishable seed the Living word of God.
That is not how we are Born Again by the Living word of God..that’s your opinion.
That is not how we are Born Again.
Behold, I see no point in going over the same ground....I believe what I believe you believe what you believe.
your born again of imperishable seed WHEN you believe.
Thats your opinion
Then Jesus lied.
Not biblical..imperishable seed is not the cross...we are not Born Again of the cross...very confusing, is your words...you can’t believe in Jesus in our spirit, without being Born Again of imperishable seed...the Spirit brings the truth of Gods Living word Alive in our hearts/ spirit....which is backed up in Gods written word.
The cross does not make us Born Again...the cross is needed in the death and resurrection of Jesus..that’s the only way we can become Born Again.
Your not born again UNTIL you recieve the cross.
You almost got it
Not biblical..we are Born Again by the Spirit of God, biblical.
Not biblical...
Once again that is not saying how we are Born Of The Spirit...that is your own understanding of how you believe you have been Born Of The Spirit..
That’s your opinion of me.and an assumption that I follow Calvin...I follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and will continue to do so,
Well you make another slanderous allegation and yet you refuse to quote Calvin in saying he taught double predestination.
Ya want a quote?Well you make another slanderous allegation and yet you refuse to quote Calvin in saying he taught double predestination.
Now if you would quote Calvin when you accuse him, you could have some credibiblity. Until then....
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Well thank you for that quote! I did not realize Calvin held to double predestination! I would totally disagree with Him on that point.Ya want a quote?
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God preordained, for his own glory and the display of His attributes of mercy and justice, a part of the human race, without any merit of their own, to eternal salvation, and another part, in just punishment of their sin, to eternal damnation.
John Calvin
For Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit, in which, as nothing is omitted that is both necessary and useful to know, so nothing is taught but what is expedient to know. Therefore we must guard against depriving believers of anything disclosed about predestination in Scripture, lest we seem either wickedly to defraud them of the blessing of their God or to accuse and scoff at the Holy Spirit for having published what it is in any way profitable to suppress.
John Calvin
By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man
John Calvin
I have some additional info for you on Calvin but will need to be in the next thread so as to not confue with this one
Ah, but you are not the self professed prophet that Calvin claimed to be.
Well all that are saved are the called according to His purposes:
Well let me say it this way:Ah, but you are not the self professed prophet that Calvin claimed to be.
When I was of the quasi opinion that predestination was fact I knew nothing... and then I looked at my church beliefs... NOT that they were taught but they were assumed.... based on what I found out actually just a few years ago and I was shocked that they actually fairly accurately quoted Calvin in their West Minster Confession of Faith.
The Westminster Confession came into being about 100 years after Calvin, so they copied him. There have been a number of changeds to it over the years but the Evangelical Presbyterian Church still uses Calvoins wording on Double predestination, though they do not call it that.
But this should be known about Calvin especially. Bolding and color changes are mine for emphasis.
John Calvin’s authority as a prophet
By Jon Balserak For some, it was no surprise to see a book claiming that John Calvin believed he was a prophet. This reaction arose from the fact that they had already thought he was crazy and this just served to further prove the point. One thing to say in favor of their reaction is that at...blog.oup.com
John Calvin’s authority as a prophet
By Jon Balserak
For some, it was no surprise to see a book claiming that John Calvin believed he was a prophet. This reaction arose from the fact that they had already thought he was crazy and this just served to further prove the point. One thing to say in favor of their reaction is that at least they are taking the claim seriously; they perceive correctly its gravity: Calvin believed that he spoke for God; that to disagree with him was to disagree with the Almighty ipso facto.
The belief may, of course, appear utterly astonishing and bizarre to us today. While I’m sympathetic with such astonishment, I don’t share it. This is not necessarily because I believe Calvin was a prophet. It’s rather because I know him well enough to know that such a belief is entirely in keeping with his character and I suppose I’ve grown accustomed to it. Most of what comes out of his mouth or flows from his pen carries with it, it seems patently clear to me, a prophetic tone and energy. There’s no question in my mind that he held that the heavens themselves opened when he opened his mouth.
I have friends who ask with some chagrin: “didn’t Calvin feel the same sense of utter uncertainty, confusion, and awkwardness with respect to his own place in the universe that people in the twenty-first century do? Wasn’t he aware of his own weaknesses?” If so, the logic follows, how could he have become convinced that he was a divine messenger since this assumes a certain sense of faultlessness? For one of us to believe ourselves a prophet seems impossible, so, what of Calvin? Didn’t his inner reservations and neuroses weigh on his self-conception and convince him that he couldn’t possibly be the mouthpiece of the Divine? My answer is a simple “no.” I don’t think he believed that he erred in his service of God. Ever.
John Calvin by Hans Holbein the Younger. Public domain via Wikimedia Commons.
Let us recall that it’s Calvin who indicted the greatest theologians with the charge that they had mixed hay with gold, stubble with silver, and wood with precious stones (a reference to the Apostle Paul’s warning to those who had corrupted their labors in God’s service in 1 Corinthians 3: 15). He indicted Cyprian, Ambrose, Augustine, and some from what he referred to as more recent times, such as Gregory and Bernard. He said of these individuals that they could only be saved on the condition that God wipe away their ignorance and the stain which corrupted their work. They could only be saved as through fire. He even said this of Augustine, the Theologian par excellence for everyone in Early Modern Europe. Let us recall as well that Calvin could write in 1562, just two years before he died, that if anyone were his enemy, then they were the enemies of Christ. He goes on in this writing, entitled Responsio ad Balduini Convicia, to say that he had never taken up a position out of a hostile personal motive or being prompted by spite. He insists, in fact, in language that is astounding to read that anyone who is his enemy feels this way about him because they oppose the good of the church and they hate godly teaching. This is Calvin. This is the prophet; the one to whom the mantle of Elijah had been passed.
The natural question to ask at this point is whether Calvin believed that his writings should be added to the canon of Scripture? It might seem only logical, according to what I’m arguing, that he did. However it would, of course, be extremely difficult to justify such a claim. But I don’t think that’s all that can be said on the question. For there is a logic to the idea that not only Calvin but also Zwingli, Luther, Knox, and others who believed themselves raised up as prophets might have thought this. There are, moreover, numerous vocational, temperamental, theological, strategic, psychological, doctrinal, and relational reasons that would need to be taken into account before drawing a conclusion one way or the other on the question. I don’t put it out of the realm of possibility that Calvin could have believed this, at least at some level. He did, after all, tell his fellow ministers on his death bed that they were to “change nothing,” suggesting that the foundation he had laid was perfect and, thus, that the repository representing that foundation—namely, his biblical commentaries, lectures, theological treatises, and magnum opus, The Institutes of the Christian Religion—should serve as the origin from which the Christian church was to be rebuilt. So I would not be utterly shocked if he did, in fact, believe that his oeuvre should be made part of the canon of Scripture. Unfortunately, we will never know.
And this: https://frbible.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/John-Calvin-the-Reformer.pdf
"THE LIFE, TIMES, AND THEOLOGICAL METHOD OF JOHN CALVIN"
Has more info on the man then you likely will ever want.
