A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[Runningman]

HEB 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

ALL YOU HEAVENLY HOSTS WORSHIP JESUS. !!!!!!!!
FALL DOWN NOW AND WORSHIP THE GOD MAN,THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE !!!!!!!!!



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Jesus taught the True Worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. No one ever taught about worshipping Jesus is spirit and truth nor did God give that as a command to the church.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

 

[Runningman]

"Only Jesus Saves".....so i am that "oneness".

Also, read John 1:10.. It says that Jesus "made the world."

According to John 3:16,17 God sent Jesus so that God could save through Jesus. With something as important as the gospel, we should be careful how we present this, especially publicly, where seekers or those looking for a Biblically accurate presentation of the gospel may be.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

 

[Runningman]

Glad believers are pushing back against these false, deceiver cults.
Anti Christ spirit operating in this forum.
mat 21
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Reject the King.
very bad gamble indeed

Isaiah 28 proves that the cornerstone isn't YHWH.

Isaiah 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.

 

[rebuilder 454]

hebrews 3
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

Oh man...would you look at that.
Here we go again.
The Holy Spirit proclaiming Jesus as God without any cults permission.

 

[rebuilder 454]

According to John 3:16,17 God sent Jesus so that God could save through Jesus. With something as important as the gospel, we should be careful how we present this, especially publicly, where seekers or those looking for a Biblically accurate presentation of the gospel may be.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

Amen
The creator is salvation.
Jesus is salvation.
Jesus said "I AM THE RESURRECTION"

 

[rebuilder 454]

revelation 5
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Hmmm,OK so God is the alpha and the omega
That is a fact.
But, but, but ,but...Jesus is the alpha and the omega
Rev 1
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Remember...you heard it here first.
Rebuilder bullseye...right down the middle
Cue cultists facepalm

 

[Wrangler]

Here it is in the Greek. Oh, I remember, you don't like looking at the Greek.

I am Groot. His name is Jesus - no matter what they call him.

One other point I want to make is from Acts 4. 7 “By what power or by what name did you do this?”
10 ... the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth ...
12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

This name by which we are saved is not Immanuel! What you assert is absurd as there is no counter argument that all those ever actually named Immanuel must also literally be God also, right?

 

[Aunty Jane]

take note of what the angel also said to JOHN .
GET UP , i am but your brethren , WORSHIP GOD .
yet , i dont see JESUS saying in heaven HEY GET UP , STOP WORSHIPPING ME , WORSHIP GOD .
HE WHO HONORS THE SON HONORS THE FATHER .
HE who dishonors the SON dishonors the FATHER .
and , well that IS A FACT .

Speaking of facts Amigo…..
What were the angels doing to Jesus? (Heb 1:6)
What were the magi giving the child Jesus? (Matt 2:10-11)
What did John do to the angel? (Rev 19:10)

The word in Greek is “proskyneō” and it means….

1. “to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
   1. used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
      1. to the Jewish high priests
      2. to God
      3. to Christ
      4. to heavenly beings
      5. to demons”

Read that again….carefully.…and you will see that it is “obeisance”…..an act of reverence done to any of the aforementioned persons…..not just to God.

If we bow down in “worship”, it is to God…..if done to a human being, it is obeisance.

The angels do not worship anyone but the Father…..the son does not worship anyone but the Father.
The magi did not worship Jesus, they paid homage to him as the one born to be King of the Jews. They were pagan astrologers who were not told of Jesus’ birth by angels, as the shepherds were.…..they ascertained his appearance through astrology, which was forbidden under God’s law.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many indeed with go to great lengths and depths to defend their institutions .
The only waters they will drink from contains the doctrines of their men .
And believe me , it aint just the jw that does this .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul said God is eternal, immortal, and invisible and that He is the only God. Since those are what God is, then that isn't Jesus. God is eternal, yet Jesus was created. For God alone possesses immortality, yet Jesus died and was resurrected by God. God is invisible, yet Jesus is the "image of the invisible God."

1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

1 Thessalonians 1
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

ONLY many wont be delivered BY JESUS for many follow another jesus another gospel .
If you are sitting in a place that is even daring to make mention that muslims and others
serve the same GOD we do . If you are sitting in a place
where the leaders are beginning to plant ideas like its not necessary to have to beleive on HIM
but that if peoples simply loved one another then that is what matters , GET OUT .
If you are sitting in a place where the song has become unity and they often speak of love
and yet that love is overlooking and or even accepting certain sins , YOU GOT to get out .
IF you are sitting in any place and it is begining to push the idea about unity with catholics and
even finding common ground and doing good works with other religoins , YOU BETTER get out .
If you hear a lot about doing good to the community , BUT little to no correction concerning sins within the church
GET OUT . if its a lop sided message , meaning they seem to always focus on what they THINK is the goodness
of GOD and yet omit warnings , omit the severity , GET OUT , its been infected and will get worse .
IF you are sitting in a place that offers up false hope
an idea that perhaps even there is no lake of fire and rather pushes the idea of what is known as inclusivism
GET OUT . IF they are toning down in any way the dire need for people to actually SPEAK about the
dire need to believe on JESUS to the lost and rather just focus on trying to shut that up
and say things like oh just hug and do good works . GET THE HECK OUT . ITS been infected .
Cause that is not the way JESUS or any apostle behaved . GOOD WORKS are GOOD and ought to be done
BUT NOT at the expense or idea that the gospel itself dont need to be preached with words .
IF You are hearing things and phrases like ONLY USE words when necessary , GET OUT
this is a tatic to change the way we evangelize . ITS worked too . TILL Now
even when i speak to christains , REMINDING even them that the other religoins are false
and that they must repent to beleive on JESUS , I am being accused of being a judger and a hater .
Folks this mess is all over the denominations within christendom .
ITS why you now see a people that if anyone tries to correct sin , tries to remind about
the aboslute dire need to beleive on JESUS , they are being seen and understood as being only judgers and haters .
WATCH THE HECK OUT Folks . cause this is in all places to some degree . I seen it personally myself
within the peoples of every denomination i have spoken too . THEY Seem
to be going under a common ground mindset . ITS NOT looking too good at all in these final hours for many .

 

[Wrangler]

If we bow down in “worship”, it is to God…..if done to a human being, it is obeisance.

To a certain extent, this is semantics. If a human bows down and "worships" another human being (even if in their mind that person is God incarnate), it does not mean the human being is God, e.g., Caesar, Augustus, and here for a long list of others.

People who make this kind of argument imply words create reality. If I call you POTUS, that means you are the President of the United States? If you call me the devil that means I am the fallen Angel Lucifer? It's preposterous reasoning.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Paul said God is eternal, immortal, and invisible and that He is the only God. Since those are what God is, then that isn't Jesus. God is eternal, yet Jesus was created. For God alone possesses immortality, yet Jesus died and was resurrected by God. God is invisible, yet Jesus is the "image of the invisible God."

1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

1 Thessalonians 1
9For they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God 10and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

You people are unaware of what any true Christian believes. I am not saying the Father is the son. I am declaring what the bible declares and watching you guys go against it.

Jesus
The only begotten.
Deity as the Father is deity.
Cults deny this

It is The mark of every cult.

Man MAKES /CREATES a statue
Man begets a son.
Remember
...you heard it here first.
Not from any of yalls workbooks.
...and if you do see John 1 and Hebrew's 1 in those workbooks , they will neuter anything to do with the truth of the deity of Christ.

Denying Jesus.
That will be a bad payday for all anti Christ spirit pharisees.
It is coming.

 

[rebuilder 454]

When Jesus is bowed to by someone whether they be in heaven, earth, or under earth then Jesus doesn't get any glory for that. All of the glory goes solely and exclusively to God. The only true God is the Father.

Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Amen.
Men and angels worship Jesus.
But then men on this planet lie about His Glory received.
That is your mental delusion.
You now admit He is worshipped without rebuke,
But you can not deal with it.
So you create some made up reasoning from your mind.
Glad to see you at every watchtower impasse going against the bible

 

[Runningman]

ONLY many wont be delivered BY JESUS for many follow another jesus another gospel .
If you are sitting in a place that is even daring to make mention that muslims and others
serve the same GOD we do . If you are sitting in a place
where the leaders are beginning to plant ideas like its not necessary to have to beleive on HIM
but that if peoples simply loved one another then that is what matters , GET OUT .
If you are sitting in a place where the song has become unity and they often speak of love
and yet that love is overlooking and or even accepting certain sins , YOU GOT to get out .
IF you are sitting in any place and it is begining to push the idea about unity with catholics and
even finding common ground and doing good works with other religoins , YOU BETTER get out .
If you hear a lot about doing good to the community , BUT little to no correction concerning sins within the church
GET OUT . if its a lop sided message , meaning they seem to always focus on what they THINK is the goodness
of GOD and yet omit warnings , omit the severity , GET OUT , its been infected and will get worse .
IF you are sitting in a place that offers up false hope
an idea that perhaps even there is no lake of fire and rather pushes the idea of what is known as inclusivism
GET OUT . IF they are toning down in any way the dire need for people to actually SPEAK about the
dire need to believe on JESUS to the lost and rather just focus on trying to shut that up
and say things like oh just hug and do good works . GET THE HECK OUT . ITS been infected .
Cause that is not the way JESUS or any apostle behaved . GOOD WORKS are GOOD and ought to be done
BUT NOT at the expense or idea that the gospel itself dont need to be preached with words .
IF You are hearing things and phrases like ONLY USE words when necessary , GET OUT
this is a tatic to change the way we evangelize . ITS worked too . TILL Now
even when i speak to christains , REMINDING even them that the other religoins are false
and that they must repent to beleive on JESUS , I am being accused of being a judger and a hater .
Folks this mess is all over the denominations within christendom .
ITS why you now see a people that if anyone tries to correct sin , tries to remind about
the aboslute dire need to beleive on JESUS , they are being seen and understood as being only judgers and haters .
WATCH THE HECK OUT Folks . cause this is in all places to some degree . I seen it personally myself
within the peoples of every denomination i have spoken too . THEY Seem
to be going under a common ground mindset . ITS NOT looking too good at all in these final hours for many .

It is refreshing to see someone such as yourself with such conviction and awareness of the fact that there is indeed an infection within what is commonly referred to as the church. According to some studies, there is a combination of approximately 45,000 Christian denominations, sub-denominations, sects, and cults globally. They all aren't saying the same things, the Bible versions and translations aren't all saying the same things, but the true church still exists and may be unrecognizable to the casual onlooker.

However, if we keep seeking and loving the truth we will find it. Never cease being brave to follow Jesus' teachings, even when he seems to say things that are contrary to what we previously believed. For Jesus said, "everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."

The question is, do we have the bravery it takes to lose relationships, lose financial opportunities, become unpopular, stop itching others' ears, and risk it all for the kingdom of God? For Jesus also said, "Whoever loves father or mother or son or daughter more than me is not fit to be my disciple." We should take that seriously out of sincere love and devotion for God and His Son Jesus. We each have a duty to make a personal decision regarding our choices and obedience to the Gospel we have placed our faith in.

 

[rebuilder 454]

To a certain extent, this is semantics. If a human bows down and "worships" another human being (even if in their mind that person is God incarnate), it does not mean the human being is God, e.g., Caesar, Augustus, and here for a long list of others.

People who make this kind of argument imply words create reality. If I call you POTUS, that means you are the President of the United States? If you call me the devil that means I am the fallen Angel Lucifer? It's preposterous reasoning.

Angels are commanded to worship Jesus.
Because He is deity.
Thomas worshipped Jesus without rebuke.
Rev 21
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Rev 1
Jesus is the alpha and omega.

Cue watchtower workbook being desperately searched for bible neutering ridiculousness.

 

[Wrangler]

Angels are commanded to worship Jesus.
Because He is deity.

No verse says what you claim.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is refreshing to see someone such as yourself with such conviction and awareness of the fact that there is indeed an infection within what is commonly referred to as the church. According to some studies, there is a combination of approximately 45,000 Christian denominations, sub-denominations, sects, and cults globally. They all aren't saying the same things, the Bible versions and translations aren't all saying the same things, but the true church still exists and may be unrecognizable to the casual onlooker.

However, if we keep seeking and loving the truth we will find it. Never cease being brave to follow Jesus' teachings, even when he seems to say things that are contrary to what we previously believed. For Jesus said, "everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."

The question is, do we have the bravery it takes to lose relationships, lose financial opportunities, become unpopular, stop itching others' ears, and risk it all for the kingdom of God? For Jesus also said, "Whoever loves father or mother or son or daughter more than me is not fit to be my disciple." We should take that seriously out of sincere love and devotion for God and His Son Jesus. We each have a duty to make a personal decision regarding our choices and obedience to the Gospel we have placed our faith in.

Lol
Watchtower with their neutered powerless dethroned jesus is the problem.
Along with every other cult that denies worshipping Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

Thomas worshipped Jesus without rebuke.

Rebuking is not a requirement. Jesus did not rebuke the Pharisees who wanted to stone him. Does that mean their claim that he was not a deity is correct?

 

[rebuilder 454]

No verse says what you claim.

you just proclaimed that God the Father commanded created beings to worship a created being.
Watchtower impasse yet again.

 

[Wrangler]

you just proclaimed that God the Father commanded created beings to worship a created being.
Watchtower impasse yet again.

Yet, no verse in sight.